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Posted: 2/26/2016 6:37:21 AM EDT
I believe we are owed an MG amnesty period.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 6:42:22 AM EDT
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Define sporting purposes to include self defense, IDPA, Three Gun,  and IPSC.

Kharn

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Link Posted: 2/26/2016 6:44:37 AM EDT
[#2]
Immediately disbands the entire "agency" and every gun law at the federal level is no longer enforced.

FBATFE
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 6:51:14 AM EDT
[#3]
1st executive order. Close the bureau.


Link Posted: 2/26/2016 7:04:33 AM EDT
[#4]
In the EO world Bush senior's 89 ban,and Jr's barrel ban, and Clinton's trade deal so we can get Dragunov's.

At the tech brach level you could cause some chaos, All letters defining items as NFA have been rescinded to non-NFA (Akins accelerator, string on mini-14's, holes on receivers etc)
And allow steel core x39 back in the US, heck all steel core back in the US, but fine Olympic Arms as it was their fault in the first place for that.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 8:34:43 AM EDT
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Any person legally able to own a firearm, can own any weapon  they want without restrictions.      The only ammo restriction shale be deplete uranium or any ammo with a radiation component.         Magazines   will have  no limit on capacity.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 8:43:33 AM EDT
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Get rid of the import bans.  All of them.  On barrels, on ammo, on everything.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 8:46:41 AM EDT
[#7]
I nominate Nolo for the position.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 8:50:36 AM EDT
[#8]
Buying a can would be like buying a can of soup. This is something that should already be looked upon favorably by even non-gun owners.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 8:53:21 AM EDT
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You guys are pretty fuzzy on what executive orders are it seems.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 8:54:58 AM EDT
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Anybody who thinks this scenario is even possible except by trojan horse is delusional. The sole purpose of the BATFE is to step on the constitutional rights of Americans. Nobody who even wants that job is "pro-gun" in the sense that you or I am. Sometimes I even question some of you guys (and girls).
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 8:55:09 AM EDT
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BOOM

But y'all slacking as this should have been the first and ONLY post.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 10:09:59 AM EDT
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BOOM

But y'all slacking as this should have been the first and ONLY post.
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Immediately disbands the entire "agency" and every gun law at the federal level is no longer enforced.

FBATFE

BOOM

But y'all slacking as this should have been the first and ONLY post.



LOL ATF is not there to do give you more freedoms.

Always
Think
Forfeiture
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 10:19:56 AM EDT
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first off, put down the crack pipe, shit's not good for you, makes you crazy
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 10:22:24 AM EDT
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He'd disband his agency, fire the lot, and maybe start over from there.

A pro-gun head could only do so much with an organization formed from generations of constitutionally improper procedure, practice and ideology.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 10:33:52 AM EDT
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What we are owed is a President pro-gun enough to appoint a pro-gun ATF head is that he or she dissolves the "F" part of the ATF.  Give federal crime involving guns to FBI, give tax fraud involving guns to IRS.  

Rinse and repeat: alcohol and tobacco tax fraud goes to IRS, explosives goes to FBI.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 10:35:46 AM EDT
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Correct.  You don't take executive orders to the President.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 10:40:02 AM EDT
[#17]
Nothing will change.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 10:41:42 AM EDT
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How about this:  Require that the ATF publish a rule book for all of it's findings and set it them in stone so they cannot move the bar anymore by interpreting and f'ing people who were 5 minutes before their new finding law abiding citizens.

Then declare an amnesty (though I think this requires Congress) after having moved Form I to an electronic version hooked into NICS.  20 Billion lightning link and auto sears later (cause you know that how many each AR15 owner would register) NFA registry would be gutted as a way to control gun owners.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 10:42:02 AM EDT
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That is not how any of this works
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 10:49:46 AM EDT
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Yes it the ATF is an executive controlled agency.  The President can tell them to stand down and ignore everything or conversely approve everything (would be better) while he is in office, it would de facto destroy the NFA.

I recognize that the President is supposed to uphold the law, but if we have learned nothing else in the past 8 years, that means nothing.  It really is a case of go big or go home.  Democrats will reap what they have sewn.

The IRS has been used to target political enemies, data collected by the NSA has been used to subvert politicians (Hastert) and Judges (Roberts), Border Patrol has been ordered to ignore the law and do nothing, the State Department has failed on every front to promote the interests of the United States, the military's mission has been suborned in the name of political correctness and fuckery.  The list is long and the grievances are many, in fact it makes some of the petty disputes we had with the crown 200 years ago look stupid (except the whole no representation in Parliament and stealing our guns thing, though the Democrats have been doing that as well by allowing illegals to vote and through ignoring the second amendment).

Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:01:04 PM EDT
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Then declare an amnesty (though I think this requires Congress) after having moved Form I to an electronic version hooked into NICS.  20 Billion lightning link and auto sears later (cause you know that how many each AR15 owner would register) NFA registry would be gutted as a way to control gun owners.
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A 90 day NFA amnesty only requires the attorney general.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:04:28 PM EDT
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forget executive orders. Imagine the shakeup the country would feel if John Ross (author of unintended consequences) was head of the FATF, Ron Paul head of the Fed, and Gary Johnson was head of state.

It would be glorious.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:08:57 PM EDT
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That is what we are actually likely to see if we can get someone other than a Bush or a Clinton in there.

Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:09:41 PM EDT
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NFA items are a tax at purchase with no other paperwork involved.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:10:37 PM EDT
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I'd be okay with the ATF stating they will no longer enforce the NFA, essentially gutting the law.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:16:16 PM EDT
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Get rid of the import bans.  All of them.  On barrels, on ammo, on everything.






That is what we are actually likely to see if we can get someone other than a Bush or a Clinton in there.



Politicians don't give accumulated power back.



Once it's amassed and has precedent - they own it forever.



 
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:22:12 PM EDT
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Politicians don't give accumulated power back.

Once it's amassed and has precedent - they own it forever.
 
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Get rid of the import bans.  All of them.  On barrels, on ammo, on everything.



That is what we are actually likely to see if we can get someone other than a Bush or a Clinton in there.

Politicians don't give accumulated power back.

Once it's amassed and has precedent - they own it forever.
 



but if they see that as giving them power - stronger base etc, then they will trade one power source for one they perceive to be greater....
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:26:29 PM EDT
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Define all firearms as sporting for the purpose of importation.


Allow any caliber armor piercing ammo to be sold, so long as it is used in a rifle.


Streamline NFA paperwork to the bare minimum that complies with the NFA. Try to get that turnaround time down to a few days to maybe a week.



ETA: Define trusts as not people, and allow the purchase of post 86 machine guns on trusts.




 
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:28:23 PM EDT
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In 18 USC s.922(o), the phrase "a transfer to or by, or possession by or under the authority of, the United States or any department or agency thereof" means any transfer of a machinegun manufactured by a manufacturer licensed to manufacture firearms by the United States or any department or agency thereof.
Link Posted: 2/26/2016 1:41:52 PM EDT
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#1. remove " sporting purposes" clause totally....
#2. remove all import restrictions..on guns, and ammo.
#3. get rid of the nfa....totally......( which makes all nfa over the counter, and new machine guns legal to sell and buy.  ( most wanted idea)  
#4. if NFA stands.. then allow all(  pre 1986 manufactured machine guns, in us gov / police inventorys into the registry / be sold to civilians)m16/thompsons/grease guns etc
#5.. if the nfa cant be dissolved,then make it work thru nics, and have gun stores sell you tax stamps.... basically cash and carry full auto / sbr/sbs/suppressors.
#6.  if nfa cannot be removed, then modify it to allow new machine guns to sold. ( just this would be awesome.. full auto m16 rifle kits from psa for $500.00 for example), or, buy a brand new full auto lower for $50.00.. + 200 stamp.. means you can turn your ar-15 into a full auto for about $250.00. WINNER. plus buy anything you want new manufacture full auto... scars, sig mpx, glock 18's, m249 saw,  PLUS, remove ALL import bans, and sporting clause.. = allow imports of surplus machine guns = cheap full auto ak-47, old school grease guns, tons of ww2 guns, full auto m2 carbines....  

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