This is especially aimed at those in states that are in the balance, but it applies to all of you.

This November 2nd, ask yourself a question. Are you prepared to deal with john kerry as president? Are you prepared to have a socialist in office? Are you prepared to, at a moment's notice, either give up your guns, or lie to law enforcement, or fight in the streets? Are you willing to accept UN sovereignty over our country? Are you willing to accept the increase in taxes that comes with socialized medicine? Are you willing to accept someone who would open our borders? Are you willing to see a traitor sit in the Oval Office and defile our country and rape our constitution?

I realize that Bush has his problems. I know he supported the AWB. I know that he has done nothing to close our borders. I know that he is not very fiscally competent.

But I also know that this election is close. It is not in the bag. It is not guaranteed either way.

However, one thing that is guaranteed, is that this year, we will not have a Libertarian or Constitution president.

"One vote won't make a difference," you may say. But realize, thousands of others say that as well. Thousands of votes do make a difference.

Go ahead and vote third party congressional and local candidates. Lord knows we need more third party officials, and some of those seats could be won.

But for the sake of this country and its future, please vote Bush. I don't agree with him either, but I know that he is infinitely better than kerry. You know it too. We cannot afford to lose.

And remember, if you disagree with him, you may think that voting against him is punishing him, but it's really punishing this nation.

THIS APPLIES TO EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN WISCONSIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quoted: it's really punishing this nation.

But, what if my nation has been bad ?

Dolomite, are you honestly not voting for Bush, ?

Are YOU prepared to only have 2 choices for president for the rest of your life?

Building a viable multi-party system may actually require some sacrifices on our part.

[Keep in mind I am in MA, and my 3rd party vote is probably not going to change this state going 99.9% to Kerry]

a plea? you sound like most of the desperate liberals i know.

"Ghosts of retards past..."

...!

Quoted: Dolomite, are you honestly not voting for Bush, ?

I vote the way Johnny Ramone (RIP) would've wanted me to.

Dolomite, I'm a dumb college student, please enlighten me about Johnny Ramone.

He'd vote Bush, didn't you see the sig line?

Quoted: Are YOU prepared to only have 2 choices for president for the rest of your life? Building a viable multi-party system may actually require some sacrifices on our part. [Keep in mind I am in MA, and my 3rd party vote is probably not going to change this state going 99.9% to Kerry]

I don't want it to be that way, and I would like to change it, but not when the election is this close and this important.

Quoted: He'd vote Bush, didn't you see the sig line?

I did recently change it.  

Johnny Ramone was a rock guitarist, nothing more, nothing less.  He was a fiscal conservative and also a Reaganaut - mostly just to piss people off.  He was a punk's punk in that regard.

I would vote for a third party candidate if it was a viable option - but in my opinion George W. Bush has our interests in mind more then that of his father. I don't entirely trust him - but I can fully understand and fathom what we would face with a Kerry administration - and it scares the shit out of me.

I'm a veteran, a Libertarian, and yes - I already vote for Bush about three weeks ago.

So, Dolomite, are you voting for Bush?

I already did, if you're wondering.
Thanks for the info, I go to a UW school, so they suppress any info on conservatives

Quoted: Are YOU prepared to only have 2 choices for president for the rest of your life? Building a viable multi-party system may actually require some sacrifices on our part. [Keep in mind I am in MA, and my 3rd party vote is probably not going to change this state going 99.9% to Kerry]

In places where one canidate is very likely to win, this makes sense.

For instance, here in Pennsylvania, Arlen Specter (the incumbent RINO) is heavily favored to beat Joe Hoeffel (his even-more-liberal opponent, if that's possible).  Therefore, I lose nothing with my "protest vote" for Jim Clymer.  If it was a close race, I'd probably hold my nose and vote Specter, 'cause a RINO is better than an openly leftist Democrat, and helps to maintain a Republican majority in the Senate.

With a close presidential race, you will either have Bush or Kerry.  It's like offering a starving man pig slop or manure.  He'd rather have real food, but if there is none, he'll take slop over manure.

In Massachusetts, vote your conscience, since Kerry'll probably take the state anyway.

But in Pennsylvania, please vote Bush (and Clymer).

YES GODDAMMIT I'M VOTING FOR JORGE!

I said I would 4 years ago if he let the AWB go bye-bye.

I tell you Republicans this tho:  This will be the last time I vote for Bush!

show me a credible poll that says bush has a chance in NY and I'll vote for him. otherwise I'm helping a 3rd arty get official recognition from the state

You MUST choose either Giant Douche or Turn Sandwich!!

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=288780

Kerry is one of the worst candidates ever to seek the presidency.

He will massively increase spending (and the national debt), leave the border open, increase the size and power of the federal government, get us involved in entagling foreign situations, and infringe upon the Bill of Rights.

Who does he think he is?  George W. Bush?

Having said that, the truth of the matter is that neither your vote nor mine counts at that level.  You have a better chance of winning the lottery and getting struck by lightning on the same day, than your vote making the difference in a presidential election.  

And even if the election was decided by *your* vote, what would happen?  There would be court challenges by the losing side, and the outcome would be decided by some judge or legislator that you didn't vote on.  In other words, your vote still wouldn't count.

So why vote then?  

Personally, I vote because I have a duty to protect and defend the Constitution (by choice).  This involves doing other things also, such as contributing to the NRA, GOA, etc....; writing letters to elected officials; etc......  But I certainly don't vote because I believe my vote will make a difference.

Quoted: Are YOU prepared to only have 2 choices for president for the rest of your life? Building a viable multi-party system may actually require some sacrifices on our part. [Keep in mind I am in MA, and my 3rd party vote is probably not going to change this state going 99.9% to Kerry]

You do not build a third party system by casting a vote for a third party candidate with zero percent chance of winning.  You do build a third party system by building up a membership in that party to a point where it will eventually have a chance of putting someone in office - and then - and only then, voting for him.  And if this person does a good job, even more people will jump on his bandwagon.

Bump to top so it is seared... SEARED into your memory for this tuesday.

Hey, my ballot is already sent in.

Republican for Pres / Governor / various other state offices.  Why?  Can't afford to let them fall to the democrats.

Libertarian on the local level.  Why?  They actually have a chance there.


When the Libertarian party grows to the point where it can start winning state / federal offices, then I'll vote for them.


Which reminds me....I need to change my sig for a little while..since I'm registered independant, I can pick which primary to vote in.....



In case it doesn't show up on this post after I change it:   "I voted for Kerry for President before I voted against him!"  

If it were Bush Sr. - I would vote for the Libertarian candidate - but our current President, with his flaws, has allowed us to regain some freedom lost under Klinton - even if it were inadvertently by the AW ban sunsetting on its own. The fact is I am back to where I was prior to Sept 94........and I know Kerry will F$CK us hard....

For the guys who think it is ok to vote for a third party in a state that is out of reach for Bush I have this to say...


You are only encouraging the third party for future elections.  That splits the Republican vote and we both continue to lose.

There will never be a viable third party!!

Why not put your efforts into getting inside the Republican party and help get it back to where it belongs.

If we keep dividing, it will be the Perot syndrome every election.

Vote Bush-Cheney '04!!!

Quoted: You are only encouraging the third party for future elections. That splits the Republican vote and we both continue to lose.

Er . . . good?

Why not put your efforts into getting inside the Republican party and help get it back to where it belongs.

What do you think a third-party vote does?  It tells Bush he'd damn well better not buy off HCI by fucking gun owners like his father did, or else he'll be out on his ass.

If it weren't for Perot, Browne, Nader, and the rest, you'd be whining about the extension of the AW ban to all semiautos, and the mandatory five-round limit on all magazines with no grandfathering.

Honestly, you children need to get some experience before you start trying to tell everyone how the world works.

Read the above post. Washingtons 11 electoral votes will go to Kerry. Gore won the state by ten points. Right now Bush is down 5. I'm in a blue state, I may as well protest.

first work on getting 3rd party candidates in office at the local level. then work on the natinal level.

Baby steps people.

And for the record This independant voted for bush.

Quoted: Read the above post. Washingtons 11 electoral votes will go to Kerry. Gore won the state by ten points. Right now Bush is down 5. I'm in a blue state, I may as well protest.

Giant douche or turd sandwich..... which to choose..... which to choose.....

Another BTT... Bump early, bump often!

Quoted: I say vote for the best candidate for the job, in my opinion the current third parties are not that, because they have no chance of winning. Voting for a third party as a protest is throwing your vote away, because you are choosing to vote for that candidate as retribution rather than because you think they will win and do a good job.

In the case of Kali-fornia, that is not the case, the registered Dems outnumber the registered Repub by a good margin. There is just no way that Bush will win.