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Posted: 1/19/2015 9:32:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 1/19/2015 9:46:51 AM EST by extractr]
Yesterday at church, I saw a friend of mine and noticed one eye was pretty bruised and he had a few small cuts on his forehead. I asked him what happened.

I'll preface his experience that he works as a store manager for a smaller retail store. He is 63 years old, and carries concealed all the time.

A few days ago, it was getting close to closing time, and an individual came into his store. He said the person was about 5 inches taller then him, had a hoodie on, long dreadlocks, and pants hanging low. The person had an open backpack over their shoulder and started walking around the store. He says he has people like this in the store all the time, trying to shoplift items, and has to routinely escort people out of the store.

In this instance, he thought the person was a 20+- year old male. He said the store has a "security guard", but they are essentially nothing more then a warm body with little training. The "guard" followed the individual around the store, asking if he could help him. The person ignored him and kept walking, but after a few more attempts to engage him, the person began cussing at the guard and telling him to back off. The guard got my friend (store manager) who went out and told the individual it was time to leave. The person turned and spit directly in his face, and followed it with a punch. The person then knocked him to the ground and began punching him repeatedly, while straddling his chest. The "guard" stood there and watched this happen. The store cashier came running over and pulled the person off, and held them down. My friend while bleeding from several cuts due to a ring the person had on, then called the police. The police showed up in a few minutes, and handcuffed the individual. The person was spitting on about every cop there.

The cops came back in a few minutes later.and informed my friend the individual was a 19 y.o. female. My friend was shocked. He said it happened so fast, he didn't even really have time to process what was happening. In all, he said it took about 10 seconds. The thing that scares him the most though, is the thought that started going through his mind as he was being punched. He said it was about the time the cashier pulled the person off of him, that he was thinking about drawing his gun. He was in fear for his life during the attack.

Looking back, he can imagine the media circus that would have happened if a white guy had shot an unarmed teenage female.

He said he now carries pepper spray as well. He also fired the "security guard".
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:38:44 AM EST
Video footage evidence from the attack would have exonerated him.
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Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:42:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By extractr:
...had a hoodie on, long dreadlocks, and pants hanging low.
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You can still mention race in here, no need to beat around the bush.
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Originally Posted By extractr:

Looking back, he can imagine the media circus that would have happened if a white guy had shot an unarmed teenage female.

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F that. I'm blasting a bitch. But then again, I don't live in a utopia, so chances are I'll never experience such a thing.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:45:04 AM EST
Aaannnnddd this is why I support free abortion
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
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Like the mob gives a shit about that.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:46:13 AM EST
Bad no shoot.
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
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Facts are racist.
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LO fucking L...........

Yeah he's be out of jail and in eternal fire with "the public"


Zim Zam - yes a idiot but just the same can't have a life

Daren Wilson, Do you think his life will be calm and placid?

And many others.

From now on if you shoot a person of color, law enforcement or not, you had also better have plans to change your name and move out of the state or forever have turmoil and strife directed at you from the public and media.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:53:06 AM EST
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I don't know. I could see a prosecutor making it sound pretty bad. My friend is a veteran, but has had numerous medical issues lately and is not at full strength.

I could see a prosecutor pushing the "you've been in the military, had two other men in the store with you to help, and felt you had no other option but to shoot and kill this unarmed girl."

Even if he gets out of that, the race mobs would be after him the rest of his life.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:53:16 AM EST
He also fired the "security guard".
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I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.
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Originally Posted By lazyengineer:
Aaannnnddd this is why I support free abortion
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LOL. There was time back when most children were born to married couples.
Crime was no where near the epic levels they are today.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:55:26 AM EST
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:


I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
He also fired the "security guard".


I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.



Well, he did stand there and watched the whole time my friend was on his back getting punched. Only after the cashier had her pinned to the ground did the guard offer to help hold her arms down.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:55:36 AM EST
He should have shot more
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Originally Posted By extractr:
Yesterday at church, I saw a friend of mine and noticed one eye was pretty bruised and he had a few small cuts on his forehead. I asked him what happened.

I'll preface his experience that he works as a store manager for a smaller retail store. He is 63 years old, and carries concealed all the time.

A few days ago, it was getting close to closing time, and an individual came into his store. He said the person was about 5 inches taller then him, had a hoodie on, long dreadlocks, and pants hanging low. The person had an open backpack over their shoulder and started walking around the store. He says he has people like this in the store all the time, trying to shoplift items, and has to routinely escort people out of the store.

In this instance, he thought the person was a 20+- year old male. He said the store has a "security guard", but they are essentially nothing more then a warm body with little training. The "guard" followed the individual around the store, asking if he could help him. The person ignored him and kept walking, but after a few more attempts to engage him, the person began cussing at the guard and telling him to back off. The guard got my friend (store manager) who went out and told the individual it was time to leave. The person turned and spit directly in his face, and followed it with a punch. The person then knocked him to the ground and began punching him repeatedly, while straddling his chest. The "guard" stood there and watched this happen. The store cashier came running over and pulled the person off, and held them down. My friend while bleeding from several cuts due to a ring the person had on, then called the police. The police showed up in a few minutes, and handcuffed the individual. The person was spitting on about every cop there.

The cops came back in a few minutes later.and informed my friend the individual was a 19 y.o. female. My friend was shocked. He said it happened so fast, he didn't even really have time to process what was happening. In all, he said it took about 10 seconds. The thing that scares him the most though, is the thought that started going through his mind as he was being punched. He said it was about the time the cashier pulled the person off of him, that he was thinking about drawing his gun. He was in fear for his life during the attack.

Looking back, he can imagine the media circus that would have happened if a white guy had shot an unarmed teenage female.

He said he now carries pepper spray as well. He also fired the "security guard".
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Believe it or not the security guard was most likely doing his job, as he promised
when he was hired.
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Originally Posted By highrailjon:
There was time back when most children were born to married couples.
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Epic levels? Crime is at historic lows.
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Originally Posted By extractr:



Well, he did stand there and watched the whole time my friend was on his back getting punched. Only after the cashier had her pinned to the ground did the guard offer to help hold her arms down.
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Originally Posted By extractr:
Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
He also fired the "security guard".


I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.



Well, he did stand there and watched the whole time my friend was on his back getting punched. Only after the cashier had her pinned to the ground did the guard offer to help hold her arms down.

Even that probably opened the guards company for millions in civil liability.
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Originally Posted By highrailjon:


LOL. There was time back when most children were born to married couples.
Crime was no where near the epic levels they are today.
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Originally Posted By highrailjon:
Originally Posted By lazyengineer:
Aaannnnddd this is why I support free abortion


LOL. There was time back when most children were born to married couples.
Crime was no where near the epic levels they are today.

Sadly, according to FBI stats, crime is going down across the country...........but I don't believe anything that is put out by the government anymore.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 9:59:25 AM EST
he could have shot Trayvonda!
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In a legal sense? Yes.

In the minds of the "social justice" crowd? Hope he has fire insurance.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:03:18 AM EST

Glad your friend is ok
Guard should have punted the attackers head into the next aisle.
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Originally Posted By flynhghr2001:

In a legal sense? Yes.

In the minds of the "social justice" crowd? Hope he has fire insurance.
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Originally Posted By flynhghr2001:
Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
Video footage evidence from the attack would have exonerated him.

In a legal sense? Yes.

In the minds of the "social justice" crowd? Hope he has fire insurance.


OP's friend also would be fired and have to pay thousands in legal defense.
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
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Which would not have saved his store from being burned to the ground. Or his and his family's lives threatened. Probably both.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:12:59 AM EST
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Trayvonette?
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:13:42 AM EST
If I felt the need to shoot someone in self defense then that's what's going to happen.
Unarmed or not. It's not my fault they came ill prepared for a fight they started.

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Agree. Drug addict mom 'n pop? Free abortion. FSA? Free abortion. Lengthy criminal record? Free abortion.

A child deserves a loving home. It doesn't have to be a middle class home (and the middle class has been shrinking since 2008), but there should be two loving parents who share in the child rearing responsibility.
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Originally Posted By Recusance:

LO fucking L...........

Yeah he's be out of jail and in eternal fire with "the public"


Zim Zam - yes a idiot but just the same can't have a life

Daren Wilson, Do you think his life will be calm and placid?

And many others.

From now on if you shoot a person of color, law enforcement or not, you had also better have plans to change your name and move out of the state or forever have turmoil and strife directed at you from the public and media.
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Originally Posted By Recusance:
Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
Video footage evidence from the attack would have exonerated him.

LO fucking L...........

Yeah he's be out of jail and in eternal fire with "the public"


Zim Zam - yes a idiot but just the same can't have a life

Daren Wilson, Do you think his life will be calm and placid?

And many others.

From now on if you shoot a person of color, law enforcement or not, you had also better have plans to change your name and move out of the state or forever have turmoil and strife directed at you from the public and media.



So you wouldn't defend and let a criminal attack and kill you? All just so you can be socially accepted?


In both the cases you listed, both those individuals lives would have been much easier with video footage...
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:18:07 AM EST
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CCW is not enough these days, times they are a changing. He should invest in working out and some Krav Maga training, even seniors can take it and learn to win a fight without having a heart attack.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:19:36 AM EST
At his age he would have had a very good reason if he would have shot. I would have.
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He should have kicked her in the balls.
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:



So you wouldn't defend and let a criminal attack and kill you? All just so you can be socially accepted?


In both the cases you listed, both those individuals lives would have been much easier with video footage...
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
Originally Posted By Recusance:
Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
Video footage evidence from the attack would have exonerated him.

LO fucking L...........

Yeah he's be out of jail and in eternal fire with "the public"


Zim Zam - yes a idiot but just the same can't have a life

Daren Wilson, Do you think his life will be calm and placid?

And many others.

From now on if you shoot a person of color, law enforcement or not, you had also better have plans to change your name and move out of the state or forever have turmoil and strife directed at you from the public and media.



So you wouldn't defend and let a criminal attack and kill you? All just so you can be socially accepted?


In both the cases you listed, both those individuals lives would have been much easier with video footage...



I think most on here probably would shoot. But even though you saved your life, in cases like this, your life as you know it would still be over.

I could tell my friend was relieved his cashier got there when he did. It prevented him from having to go down that possible road.

If he had shot, His retirement savings would have been gone to fund his legal defense. He would have had to look over his shoulder the rest of his life.He probably would have needed to move and find a new job.


The part that makes him the maddest though is he told the cops he wanted to press charges, and was told they would contact him in a day or two. So far he has heard nothing. He has called trying to get ahold of someone to find out what is going on. He has left messages and has heard nothing back. He wonders if they even charged her with anything. She is probably right back on the street looking to do it again.
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Epic levels? Crime is at historic lows.
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Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By highrailjon:
There was time back when most children were born to married couples.
Crime was no where near the epic levels they are today.

Epic levels? Crime is at historic lows.


The popular media would have us believe crime is at an all-time high. People need to have a boogey-man and the media needs to attract viewers.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:37:39 AM EST
Your friend can't fight and maybe shouldn't be carrying a gun if he got his ass beat that bad by a chick.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 10:38:02 AM EST
Violence of Action....and that 19yr old female just displayed the text book definition of it.
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
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Doubt it. It might have kept him out of jail but the media would have hung him either way.
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Originally Posted By highrailjon:


LOL. There was time back when most children were born to married couples.
Crime was no where near the epic levels they are today.
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Originally Posted By highrailjon:
Originally Posted By lazyengineer:
Aaannnnddd this is why I support free abortion


LOL. There was time back when most children were born to married couples.
Crime was no where near the epic levels they are today.



Do you even FBI uniform crime report, bro? Crime is pretty much at an all time low.
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Originally Posted By diesel1:

The popular media would have us believe crime is at an all-time high. People need to have a boogey-man and the media needs to attract viewers.
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Originally Posted By diesel1:
Originally Posted By Extorris:
Originally Posted By highrailjon:
There was time back when most children were born to married couples.
Crime was no where near the epic levels they are today.

Epic levels? Crime is at historic lows.

The popular media would have us believe crime is at an all-time high. People need to have a boogey-man and the media needs to attract viewers.

Never ceases to amaze me, how much of what people "know," simply isn't true.
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:


You can still mention race in here, no need to beat around the bush.
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Originally Posted By RDTCU:
Originally Posted By extractr:
...had a hoodie on, long dreadlocks, and pants hanging low.


You can still mention race in here, no need to beat around the bush.

Then some dipshit would tell us how that is irrelevant and adds nothing to the story.
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Originally Posted By Recusance:

LO fucking L...........

Yeah he's be out of jail and in eternal fire with "the public"


Zim Zam - yes a idiot but just the same can't have a life

Daren Wilson, Do you think his life will be calm and placid?

And many others.

From now on if you shoot a person of color, law enforcement or not, you had also better have plans to change your name and move out of the state or forever have turmoil and strife directed at you from the public and media.
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Originally Posted By Recusance:
Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
Video footage evidence from the attack would have exonerated him.

LO fucking L...........

Yeah he's be out of jail and in eternal fire with "the public"


Zim Zam - yes a idiot but just the same can't have a life

Daren Wilson, Do you think his life will be calm and placid?

And many others.

From now on if you shoot a person of color, law enforcement or not, you had also better have plans to change your name and move out of the state or forever have turmoil and strife directed at you from the public and media.

Or just don't live in those places to begin...if that is an option.
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:


I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
He also fired the "security guard".


I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.



It's because the company he works for most likely has told him they are the eyes and ears only and to never be involved in physical contact.
Most unarmed security guards are trained like this.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 11:05:13 AM EST
Well I can tell you that armed robberies are way up in the city of Milwaukee according to a police friend in a detective unit.
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I don't know. I could see a prosecutor making it sound pretty bad. My friend is a veteran, but has had numerous medical issues lately and is not at full strength.

I could see a prosecutor pushing the "you've been in the military, had two other men in the store with you to help, and felt you had no other option but to shoot and kill this unarmed girl."

Even if he gets out of that, the race mobs would be after him the rest of his life.
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Originally Posted By extractr:
Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
Video footage evidence from the attack would have exonerated him.



I don't know. I could see a prosecutor making it sound pretty bad. My friend is a veteran, but has had numerous medical issues lately and is not at full strength.

I could see a prosecutor pushing the "you've been in the military, had two other men in the store with you to help, and felt you had no other option but to shoot and kill this unarmed girl."

Even if he gets out of that, the race mobs would be after him the rest of his life.

Depends on where you live.

Originally Posted By Chakam:
CCW is not enough these days, times they are a changing. He should invest in working out and some Krav Maga training, even seniors can take it and learn to win a fight without having a heart attack.

Old farts have brittle bones

carry a sap


Link Posted: 1/19/2015 8:17:40 PM EST
I guess he tried calling the police station again today. Still no response on what is going on.
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It's because the company he works for most likely has told him they are the eyes and ears only and to never be involved in physical contact.
Most unarmed security guards are trained like this.
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
He also fired the "security guard".


I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.



It's because the company he works for most likely has told him they are the eyes and ears only and to never be involved in physical contact.
Most unarmed security guards are trained like this.

"Observe and report".

I garuntee you he promised to do only this in the course of his duties
with his signature.
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I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
He also fired the "security guard".


I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.


Chances are very high that company policy would favor the guard doing nothing.

All depends on the company, and if the guard was part of it or a contractor.

But chances are also high that is the store manager was allowed to carry, there aren't many policies in that company lol
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You can still mention race in here, no need to beat around the bush.
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Originally Posted By extractr:
...had a hoodie on, long dreadlocks, and pants hanging low.


You can still mention race in here, no need to beat around the bush.

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Originally Posted By dskeet:


Chances are very high that company policy would favor the guard doing nothing.

All depends on the company, and if the guard was part of it or a contractor.

But chances are also high that is the store manager was allowed to carry, there aren't many policies in that company lol
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Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
He also fired the "security guard".


I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.


Chances are very high that company policy would favor the guard doing nothing.

All depends on the company, and if the guard was part of it or a contractor.

But chances are also high that is the store manager was allowed to carry, there aren't many policies in that company lol

If it's a small company, and a security guard is present, he/she will be a contractor. I promise.
It's cheaper to use a contractor.
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:



So you wouldn't defend and let a criminal attack and kill you? All just so you can be socially accepted?


In both the cases you listed, both those individuals lives would have been much easier with video footage...
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Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
Originally Posted By Recusance:
Originally Posted By TacticalHeater:
Video footage evidence from the attack would have exonerated him.

LO fucking L...........

Yeah he's be out of jail and in eternal fire with "the public"


Zim Zam - yes a idiot but just the same can't have a life

Daren Wilson, Do you think his life will be calm and placid?

And many others.

From now on if you shoot a person of color, law enforcement or not, you had also better have plans to change your name and move out of the state or forever have turmoil and strife directed at you from the public and media.



So you wouldn't defend and let a criminal attack and kill you? All just so you can be socially accepted?


In both the cases you listed, both those individuals lives would have been much easier with video footage...

No, I'm just commentating on the apparent faith in our legal system juxtaposed with our societal realities..totally incongruent .
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If it's a small company, and a security guard is present, he/she will be a contractor. I promise.
It's cheaper to use a contractor.
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Originally Posted By dskeet:
Originally Posted By JellyBelly:
He also fired the "security guard".


I'd love to see the guard defend his actions during the firing.


Chances are very high that company policy would favor the guard doing nothing.

All depends on the company, and if the guard was part of it or a contractor.

But chances are also high that is the store manager was allowed to carry, there aren't many policies in that company lol

If it's a small company, and a security guard is present, he/she will be a contractor. I promise.
It's cheaper to use a contractor.


The security guard may not even be an actual security guard, but a loss prevention type guy who gets security guard stuff dumped on him because he is the closest thing to it.
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