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1/22/2020 12:12:56 PM
Posted: 11/22/2012 7:40:17 AM EST
For advice. He's never really been around firearms but is thinking of getting a Glock. Of course, I told him to rent different pistol and try them first.

But summed it up for him. If only one firearm, I would choose a Mossberg 590. But that's just me.

Good advice ?

Not looking to turn this into 590 VS 870 as that horse has been beaten to death already.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:41:50 AM EST
Is he looking for a CCW piece?

Then no, the Mossberg is not good advice.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:44:03 AM EST
The 590 is a good HD gun but not the gun that I would recommend if he's looking to get into the sport of shooting.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:45:18 AM EST
If I could only have one gun (and wasn't going to CCW), it would probably be a pump shotgun.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:45:36 AM EST
Originally Posted By 6winchester2:
Is he looking for a CCW piece?

Then no, the Mossberg is not good advice.



No, unfortunately he lives in California. He just wants a SHTF defense piece.

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:46:40 AM EST
Every handgun should be a glock, every Glock should be 9mm and every Glock 9mm should be a 19. I think you have lead your fried astray! :)
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:46:47 AM EST
I steer newbies away from Glocks. People unfamiliar with guns seem to want to mess around with their guns a lot, and a newbie that's constantly fingerfucking a Glock is an ND waiting to happen.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:47:41 AM EST
very few people take the time to learn to use a shotgun.. I was surprised at how much i didn't know when I took Mas Ayoob's LFI II course.
Start with a handgun, get trained, and then advance to a tactical shotgun.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:49:30 AM EST
Originally Posted By Zardoz:
I steer newbies away from Glocks. People unfamiliar with guns seem to want to mess around with their guns a lot, and a newbie that's constantly fingerfucking a Glock is an ND waiting to happen.


That was my thoughts on it.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:50:30 AM EST
I wouldn't make a hard recoiling gun with a "sight" that makes learning the basics of how to shoot accurately harder the first or only gun a person owned.

Your advice to rent or borrow some guns is good. Can you take him out to shoot yours?

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Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:51:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By 3one5:
Every handgun should be a glock, every Glock should be 9mm and every Glock 9mm should be a 19.


Normally this is my position.

Originally Posted By Zardoz:
I steer newbies away from Glocks. People unfamiliar with guns seem to want to mess around with their guns a lot, and a newbie that's constantly fingerfucking a Glock is an ND waiting to happen.


Can't argue with this in the least. Glocks are unforgiving to people that press triggers rearward. They require a discipline that can't be expected from a grown man that never bothered with guns until now.
Go idiot-proof. J-frame, or at least something with an external safety.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:52:28 AM EST
If it's strictly a SHTF piece that won't get shot much, then Dick's Sporting Goods has Maverick 88s in their Black Friday ad for $159. Not sure if they have stores in CA.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:52:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 7:55:19 AM EST by Colonel_Angus]
I would have pointed him to a Glock 19. Almost no one except arfcom 1911 humpers will down a G19. One thing a new gun owner will look for is acceptance by others about their purchase. If he tells others he bought a G19, whether they know a damn thing about guns or not, they will know the name. That first experience needs to be a positive one. The whole - no safety ='s future dc does need to be addressed with him though. Thou shalt not finger bang the loaded Glock
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:53:39 AM EST
Originally Posted By Zardoz:
I steer newbies away from Glocks. People unfamiliar with guns seem to want to mess around with their guns a lot, and a newbie that's constantly fingerfucking a Glock is an ND waiting to happen.


+1
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:54:07 AM EST
I've heard it said that a Glock should not be a person's first handgun. I would agree with that proposition.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 7:59:19 AM EST
fuck glock as a first gun. To many booger hook fuck fuck games will happen.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 8:04:15 AM EST
Never limp wrist a Glock...There are many better options out there.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 8:09:59 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 8:10:52 AM EST
Originally Posted By Colonel_Angus:
I would have pointed him to a Glock 19. Almost no one except arfcom 1911 humpers will down a G19. One thing a new gun owner will look for is acceptance by others about their purchase. If he tells others he bought a G19, whether they know a damn thing about guns or not, they will know the name. That first experience needs to be a positive one. The whole - no safety ='s future dc does need to be addressed with him though. Thou shalt not finger bang the loaded Glock


I've owned a ton of Glocks over the years,the past 3 I've bought new in the last 5 years have all had issues.I hate to say it,but I wouldn't recommend a new Glock to anyone.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 8:12:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zardoz:
I steer newbies away from Glocks. People unfamiliar with guns seem to want to mess around with their guns a lot, and a newbie that's constantly fingerfucking a Glock is an ND waiting to happen.

Yep, have him get a Ruger NIB 9mm for $330 off gunbroker, easy to use, shoots great, has a decocker. Newbs will end up shooting themself in the ass with a Glock
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 8:16:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 8:18:06 AM EST by AJK07734]
Originally Posted By Colonel_Angus:
I would have pointed him to a Glock 19. Almost no one except arfcom 1911 humpers will down a G19. One thing a new gun owner will look for is acceptance by others about their purchase. If he tells others he bought a G19, whether they know a damn thing about guns or not, they will know the name. That first experience needs to be a positive one. The whole - no safety ='s future dc does need to be addressed with him though. Thou shalt not finger bang the loaded Glock


I'm a 1911 Humper who owns Several Glocks..there is nothing wrong with Glock handguns I carried one as a Duty weapon for 20 years (23 not a 19) I have 2 19's sitting in my sae, and 24 spare mags in the drawer... That said, my EDC PREFERENCE is for 1911's......of course since this is GD, anyone who doesnt agree with me MUST be a complete Moran

Now. all that aside... I've seen way too many ND's with glocks to be really comfortable with reccomending it for a first handgun..unless you're close enough to him to REALLY work him up on the handgun, maybe something different might be a better choice..
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 8:18:12 AM EST
If all he wants is a gun for SD in the home in California, I'd tell him to get a 590.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:22:53 AM EST
CA & SHTF & new shooter..... 223 pump action/bolt action rifle or 357/44 levergun. Both available to a limited budget.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:32:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By bluetick357:
Originally Posted By Colonel_Angus:
I would have pointed him to a Glock 19. Almost no one except arfcom 1911 humpers will down a G19. One thing a new gun owner will look for is acceptance by others about their purchase. If he tells others he bought a G19, whether they know a damn thing about guns or not, they will know the name. That first experience needs to be a positive one. The whole - no safety ='s future dc does need to be addressed with him though. Thou shalt not finger bang the loaded Glock


I've owned a ton of Glocks over the years,the past 3 I've bought new in the last 5 years have all had issues.I hate to say it,but I wouldn't recommend a new Glock to anyone.


I have never had a problem with any of mine (19, 26, 20, 21SF, 22, 22, issued 22, issued 22, 27,) but having seen and heard of problems with the newer ones, I have stopped suggesting a G19 for folks and now suggest a Sig 229 DAK for first timers.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:32:21 AM EST
First handgun ? A 22 hands down. If he is serious then a centerfire of some sort
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:33:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By Yesicarry:
Originally Posted By 6winchester2:
Is he looking for a CCW piece?

Then no, the Mossberg is not good advice.



No, unfortunately he lives in California. He just wants a SHTF defense piece.



So you recommended a heavy, low capacity firearm that will be difficult to keep with him or conceal in the event of an emergency?

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:35:58 AM EST
I would go for a handgun over a shotgun as a single defensive weapon. It is a lot easier to work your way through a house at night with a handgun than a long gun.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:36:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By Yesicarry:
For advice. He's never really been around firearms but is thinking of getting a Glock. Of course, I told him to rent different pistol and try them first.

But summed it up for him. If only one firearm, I would choose a Mossberg 590. But that's just me.

Good advice ?

Not looking to turn this into 590 VS 870 as that horse has been beaten to death already.


Good advice.

Shotgun > handgun

Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:37:25 AM EST
If i could only own one firearm it would be a concealable handgun. if it couldnt legally CCW then it would be a very concealable handgun.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:38:11 AM EST
Every AD I've ever seen was with a 1911 or revolver.

G19 is the best first pistol.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:38:21 AM EST
Remington 870 and a quality .357 Magnum revolver. He should be pretty well covered with those 2, if he's not looking to become a "gun guy".
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:43:34 AM EST
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman:
Every AD I've ever seen was with a 1911 or revolver.

G19 is the best first pistol.


This people that pull triggers when they shouldn't pull them all the way and don't put safeties back on
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:44:46 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 10:45:49 AM EST by pr24guy]
Lever action .357 mag.

Gives him the option to shoot .38 for practice and can be used in close or at a distance.

Most hold ten rounds and are very light in recoil.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:47:45 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 10:53:11 AM EST by WhyTanFox]
Originally Posted By Yesicarry:
Originally Posted By 6winchester2:
Is he looking for a CCW piece?

Then no, the Mossberg is not good advice.



No, unfortunately he lives in California. He just wants a SHTF defense piece.

In Cali? Pump shotgun sounds good, maybe a pump-action AR if you can do it without the bullet button and if DPMS still makes it.

ETA Someone makes a "traditional looking" pump action 5.56 that takes STANAG magazines. I would take a detachable box-magazine carbine over 12 ga shotgun, be it semi-auto or pump.

EATA Here is a Remington model. If appearance is a concern you might want to get wood furniture.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:50:12 AM EST
Originally Posted By Yesicarry:
Originally Posted By 6winchester2:
Is he looking for a CCW piece?

Then no, the Mossberg is not good advice.



No, unfortunately he lives in California. He just wants a SHTF defense piece.



SHTF defense piece in CA?! Yeah, I would also suggest a Mossy 590 built like a tank and there aren't any stupid CA bullet button nanny state crap that have to come with that gun.
Personally, I would get a good 1911 with a ton of 8 round mags and that shotgun and just stock up on as much ammo as he can....which is probably one box worth
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 10:56:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By 3one5:
Every handgun should be a glock, every Glock should be 9mm and every Glock 9mm should be a 19. I think you have lead your fried astray! :)


oh,lord............that's a BIG can of worms you just opened.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 11:07:46 AM EST
wtf is this shit!?

Glock was my first handgun, a G19, and I never had a ND. It's by no means the best handgun out there, but I would put it in the top five for me of "would own." How much he wants to spend will be the ultimate dictator of which options he'll have to consider.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 11:10:41 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2012 11:12:10 AM EST by fatalerror113]
If I could have only 1 gun it would be a 9mm capable of being CCW'ed.

A shotgun would be down on my list behind semi-auto carbine and a .22.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 11:16:33 AM EST
Originally Posted By DanaHillen:
Originally Posted By 3one5:
Every handgun should be a glock, every Glock should be 9mm and every Glock 9mm should be a 19. I think you have lead your fried astray! :)


oh,lord............that's a BIG can of worms you just opened.


Indeed. I prefer my astrays braised or poached. Never fried.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 11:20:53 AM EST
4" S&W used .357 or .38 special steel revolver. Period. May be SS but blued will work just fine. The 586 or 686 would be a fine choice.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 11:40:29 AM EST
Originally Posted By Zardoz:
I steer newbies away from Glocks. People unfamiliar with guns seem to want to mess around with their guns a lot, and a newbie that's constantly fingerfucking a Glock is an ND waiting to happen.


I have observed this phenomenon first hand. Newbie discharged one .40 caliber projectile through floor of hunting cabin. Newbie was also a marine FWIW.

Suggest 9mm Sig Sauer or CZ 75.
Link Posted: 11/22/2012 2:37:44 PM EST
SHTF.... List of firearms

870
1911
AR15

F&B....

Same list as above only added

FAL or
G3

When consideringa firearm that I am intrusting with my life. I like guns that are combat proven. Once combat proven, then choosen to be carried by the same soldier that carried it and entrusted it with his life.

Why I choose my .45, 1911...... I don't have the luxury of talking into a radio for help or getting more back up. I will be prepared for not getting back up. That 9mm is a great range round, great for training! I am not going to have to double tap any one when there is SO my Fan.
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