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Posted: 4/19/2007 12:59:50 PM EDT
These days all you here about is how Virginia Tech is the worst massacre that ever happened in the world as I heard last night on Coast to Coast AM. These same people around the world are calling for gun control in the US.

This happened May 18, 1927 in Bath Michigan. It was called the Bath School Disaster, 45 people killed, and wounded 58. The perpetrator was Andrew Kehoe school board treasurer.

Why the press is not even mentioning this story at all. This event never had a gun involved. Even better. This event all started because of new school taxes.

Wiki Link
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:00:50 PM EDT
There have been multiple threads on this incident in the last two days.
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:01:07 PM EDT
over/under is 15
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:02:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
There have been multiple threads on this incident in the last two days.


Weird, this is the first time I've seen it. Thanks for posting, regardless of dupeness.
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:04:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
There have been multiple threads on this incident in the last two days.


Oops.. Didn't check.

IBTL..
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:04:11 PM EDT
Is there a way to send this to the media? Once again their info is incorrect!
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:06:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kill-9:

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
There have been multiple threads on this incident in the last two days.


Weird, this is the first time I've seen it. Thanks for posting, regardless of dupeness.


Thanks..

At least it opening some eyes..

Any link to the threads?


Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:06:27 PM EDT
Wow, never heard of this before.
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:09:36 PM EDT
While we’re on the subject, maybe someone remembers the details of this incident.

I believe it was on a ferry in New York somewhere. A deranged man somehow obtained a sword and started killing people. He was stopped by a retired police officer with a CCW.

Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:10:59 PM EDT
I hadn't seen it, thanks for the post.
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:11:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FrankAR15:
Is there a way to send this to the media? Once again their info is incorrect!



[Jedi mind trick]
The Disaster in Bath Michigan was an isolated incident.. It's not related to the anti-gun movement.

Move along. Move along..

[/Jedi mind trick]

Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:13:42 PM EDT
nuh-uh! the news says if we all had CCWs, we'd just be blasting one another haphazardly with no regard to public safety. So clearly, anyone with a CCW couldn't possibly have helped stop a life-threatening situation!
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:17:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Thuban:
While we’re on the subject, maybe someone remembers the details of this incident.

I believe it was on a ferry in New York somewhere. A deranged man somehow obtained a sword and started killing people. He was stopped by a retired police officer with a CCW.



Didn't that happen about ten years ago, maybe longer..

Your story..
Your story..

Here is bunch of sword attack stories in NY..

Sword Attacks.

Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:18:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
There have been multiple threads on this incident in the last two days.


www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=567465

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=567691
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:20:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dilbert_556:
I hadn't seen it, thanks for the post.



Your welcome Sir..
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:24:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Win_88:
Any link to the threads?

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=568758
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=568073
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=567465
Not to mention that the other incident has been mentioned in numerous other threads the last coule of days.
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 1:29:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By tc556guy:
There have been multiple threads on this incident in the last two days.


www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=567465

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=567691



Just saw your link to the Beslan Massacre.. Could remeber the name of that last night at work or casualties.

How quickly that the liberal press has forgotten about this event.

The Euro's also don't want to remember..

Link Posted: 4/19/2007 2:01:03 PM EDT
Just saw this on another forum:

Good story on the effect of civilian resistance during school shootings. Also highlights the bias of the media in reporting these examples.

Source

It took place at a university in Virginia. A student with a grudge, an immigrant, pulled a gun and went on a shooting spree. It wasn’t Virginia Tech at all. It was the Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, not far away. You can easily drive from the one school to the other, just take a trip down Route 460 through Tazewell.

It was January 16, 2002 when Peter Odighizuwa came to campus. He had been suspended due to failing grades. Odighizuwa was angry and waving a gun calling on students to “come get me”. The students, seeing the gun, ran. A shooting spree started almost immediately. In seconds Odighizuwa had killed the school dean, a professor and one student. Three other students were shot as well, one in the chest, one in the stomach and one in the throat.

Many students heard the shots. Two who did were Mikael Gross and Tracy Bridges. Mikael was outside the school having just returned to campus from lunch when he heard the shots. Tracy was inside attending class. Both immediately ran to their cars. Each had a handgun locked in the vehicle.

Bridges pulled a .357 Magnum pistol and he later said he was prepared to shoot to kill if necessary. He and Gross both approached Odighizuwa at the same time from different directions. Both were pointing their weapons at him. Bridges yelled for Odighizuwa to drop his weapon. When the shooter realized they had the drop on him he threw his weapon down. A third student, unarmed, Ted Besen, approached the killer and was physically attacked.

But Odighizuwa was now disarmed. The three students were able to restrain him and held him for the police. Odighizuwa is now in prison for the murders he committed. His killing spree ended when he faced two students with weapons. There would be no further victims that day, thanks to armed resistance.

You wouldn’t know much about that though. Do you wonder why? The media, though it widely reported the attack left out the fact that Bridges and Gross were armed. Most simply reported that the gunman was jumped and subdued by other students. That two of those students were now armed didn’t get a mention.

James Eaves-Johnson wrote about this fact one week later in The Daily Iowan. He wrote: “A Lexus-Nexis search revealed 88 stories on the topic, of which only two mentioned that either Bridges or Gross was armed.” This 2002 article noted “This was a very public shooting with a lot of media coverage.” But the media left out information showing how two students with firearms ended the killing spree.

He also mentioned a second incident. And while I had read many articles on this shooting for an article I wrote about school bullying not a single one mentioned the role that a firearm played in stopping it. Until today I didn’t know the full story.

Luke Woodham was a troubled teen. He felt no one really liked him. In 1997 he murdered his mother and put on a trench coat. He filled the pockets with ammunition and took a handgun to the Pearl High School in Pearl, Mississippi. In rapid succession killed two students and wounded seven others.

He had the incident planned out. He would start shooting students and continue until he heard police sirens in the distance. That would allow him time to get in his car and leave campus. From there he intended to go to the nearby Pearl Junior High School and start shooting again. How it would end was not clear. Perhaps he would kill himself or perhaps the police would finally catch up with him and kill him. Either way a lot more people were going to get shot and die.

What Woodham hadn’t planned for was the actions of Assistant Principal Joel Myrick. Myrick heard the gun shots. He couldn’t have a handgun in the school. But he did keep one locked in his vehicle in the parking lot. He ran outside and retrieved the gun.

As Myrick headed back toward the school Woodham was in his vehicle headed for his next intended target. Myrick aimed his gun at the shooter. The teen crashed his car when he saw the gun. Myrick approached the car and held a gun to the killer who surrendered immediately. There would be no further victims that day, thanks to armed resistance.

So you didn’t know about that. Neither did I until today. Eaves-Johnson wrote that there were “687 articles on the school shooting in Pearl, Miss. Of those, only 19 mentioned that” Myrick had used a gun to stop Woodham “four-and-a-half minutes before police arrived.”

Many people probably forgot about the shooting in Edinboro, Pennsylvania. It was a school graduation dance that Andrew Wurst entered to take out his anger on the school. First he shot teacher John Gillette outside. He started shooting randomly inside the restaurant where the 240 students had gathered.

It was restaurant owner James Strand, armed with a shot gun, who captured the shooter and held him for police. There would be no further victims that day, thanks to armed resistance.

It was February 12th of this year that a young man entered the Trolley Square Shopping Mall, in Salt Lake City. The mall was a self-declared “gun free zone” forbidding patrons from carrying weapons. He wasn’t worried. In fact he appreciated knowing that his victims couldn’t defend themselves.

He opened fire even before he got inside killing his first victims immediately outside the front door. As he walked down the mall hallway he fired in all directions. Several more people were shot inside a card store immediately inside the mall. The shooter moved on to the Pottery Barns Kids store.

What he didn’t know is that one patron of the mall, Kenneth Hammond, had ignored the signs informing patrons they must be unarmed to enter. He was a police officer but he was not on duty and he was not a police officer for Salt Lake City. By all standards he was a civilian that day and probably should have left his firearm in his vehicle.

It’s a good thing he didn’t. He was sitting in the mall with his wife having dinner when he heard the shots. He told her to hide and to call 911 emergency services. He went to confront the gunman. The killer found himself under gun fire much sooner than he anticipated. From this point on all his effort was to protect himself from Hammond, he had no time to kill anyone else. Hammond was able to pin down the shooter until police finally arrived and one of them shot the man to death. There would be no further victims that day, thanks to armed resistance.

In each of these cases a killer is stopped the moment he faces armed resistance. It is clear that in three of these cases the shooter intended to continue his killing spree. In the fourth case, Andrew Wurst, it is not immediately apparent whether he intended to keep shooting or not since he was apprehended by the restaurant owner leaving the scene.

Three of these cases involved armed resistance by students, faculty or civilians. In one case the armed resistance was from an off-duty police officer in a city where he had no legal authority and where he was carrying his weapon in violation of the mall’s gun free policy.

What would have happened if these people waited for the police? In three cases the shooters were apprehended before the police arrived because of armed civilians. At Trolley Square the shooter was kept busy by Hammond until the police arrived. In all four cases the local police were the Johnny-come-latelys.

Consider the horrific events at Virginia Tech. Again an armed man enters a “gun free zone”. He kills two victims and walks away long before the police arrive. He spends two hours on campus, doing what is unknown. He then enters another building on campus and begins shooting. He never encounters a police officer during this. And all the students and faculty present had apparently complied with the “no gun” policy of the university. So no one stopped him. NO ONE STOPPED HIM! And when he finished his shooting spree 32 people were dead. It was the killer who ended the spree. He took his own life and when the police arrived all they dealt with were the dead.

There were many further victims that day. The shooter never met with armed resistance.
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 2:18:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Win_88:
These days all you here about is how Virginia Tech is the worst massacre that ever happened in the world as I heard last night on Coast to Coast AM. These same people around the world are calling for gun control in the US.

This happened May 18, 1927 in Bath Michigan. It was called the Bath School Disaster, 45 people killed, and wounded 58. The perpetrator was Andrew Kehoe school board treasurer.

Why the press is not even mentioning this story at all. This event never had a gun involved. Even better. This event all started because of new school taxes.

Wiki Link



He used a firearm to possible detonate the suicide car bomb he was riding in. Check Wiki
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 2:28:10 PM EDT
It is completely irrelevant because it happened nearly 80 years ago.
Link Posted: 4/19/2007 7:37:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Win_88:

Originally Posted By Thuban:
While we’re on the subject, maybe someone remembers the details of this incident.

I believe it was on a ferry in New York somewhere. A deranged man somehow obtained a sword and started killing people. He was stopped by a retired police officer with a CCW.



Didn't that happen about ten years ago, maybe longer..

Your story..
Your story..

Here is bunch of sword attack stories in NY..

Sword Attacks.



Thanks. Your link gave me the information I needed to find the story.

Sword Attack




The Madman on the Ferry
Monday, Jul. 21, 1986 By FRANK TRIPPETT

Just one day after the Liberty Weekend harbor festival, the ferry Samuel I. Newhouse was carrying some 500 passengers -- including a number of diehard tourists -- on its 8:30 a.m. run from Manhattan to Staten Island. Midway across New York harbor, just past the refurbished Statue of Liberty, a homeless Cuban refugee named Juan Gonzalez, 43, unsheathed a 2-ft. sword he had been carrying. Shouting incoherently, he began slashing and stabbing anybody who stood in his way. Retired New York City Police Officer Edward del Pino, 55, seeing panicky passengers stampeding past him on the ferry's deck, rushed inside in time to see Gonzalez slash a woman to death. Pino, en route home from his job as a security guard, pulled out a .38-cal. pistol and fired a shot into the air. Ordering Gonzalez to hit the deck, he warned him, "You move and you're dead!" But by then two were dead (a 61-year-old Staten Island man and a 71-year-old Manhattan woman) and nine wounded (including a touring couple from Kansas).

As the ferry docked, police seized Gonzalez and charged him with murder, assault and criminal possession of a weapon (which had legally been sold to him for $22 by a Times Square souvenir shop). At the Staten Island police station the prisoner, who fled from Cuba in 1977 aboard a small boat, shouted, "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit made me do it!" Authorities sent him to Kings County Hospital in Brooklyn for psychiatric evaluation.

Only a few days earlier Gonzalez had undergone another psychiatric evaluation. After being observed on a street making wild threats ("I'm going to kill! God told me so!"), he had been taken to Manhattan's Presbyterian Hospital. Physicians concluded he had a "psychotic paranoid disorder," but released him after two days.

In the aftermath of the ferry carnage, the decision to put such a violence- prone person back on the streets outraged observers, officials and doctors alike. New York City Mayor Ed Koch ordered his mental-health commissioner to investigate the procedures that were followed from the time Gonzalez was taken to Presbyterian to the time he was arrested.

To no one's surprise, the investigation determined that Gonzalez's release had been "premature," and the hospital's city contracts were put under review. In fact, doctors had considered further hospitalization but could find no space for Gonzalez at the facility. In any case, the hospital said, he had responded well to treatment and had been issued antipsychotic drugs to take with him upon release. Moreover, Gonzalez had agreed to report as an outpatient to another hospital. He never did. The next time he attracted official notice was on the ferry.

That left the public grappling with a question that has been coming up again and again: Why are dangerously deranged people allowed to roam at large? Koch himself expressed the common perplexity. "If someone is irrational, particularly with thoughts of killing expressed," said the mayor, "one would say, as a lay person, that the fact he says the next day 'I'm feeling O.K. now' doesn't necessarily mean he's O.K."



And to make the story even better…

The happy ending. (or is it?)

Which says in part.




Juan Gonzalez, who killed two people and wounded nine with a sword in a July 1986 attack on the Staten Island Ferry, has been granted unsupervised leave from his residence at the Bronx Psychiatric Center.

At the same time Mr. Gonzalez, who illegally immigrated from Cuba in 1977, is facing a deportation hearing, perhaps as early as next month. But his chances of being sent abroad are slim.



And Liberals wonder why I own guns.



Link Posted: 4/19/2007 7:39:00 PM EDT
BESLAN!
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