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Posted: 9/19/2005 12:24:15 PM EDT
If any of you like big S&W revolvers, you will appreciate that most listed loads for a .357 Magnum are clocked out of a long barreled pistol. You can't really get true .357 Mag velocities out of a short barreled pistol.
I have owned long barreled .357's before, but foolishly sold my last one. I saw one on consignment at the local gun shop, and after slobbering over it for a couple of months, made them an offer today. Here it is:  It is an old S&W Model 27-2, 8 3/8 inch barrel, pinned and recessed, and never fired. I'll fix that "never fired" part tomorrow.  A beautiful pistol. 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 12:27:31 PM EDT
[#1]
I have its slightly shorter brother. Great shooter.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 12:36:24 PM EDT
[#2]
My 6" S&W 686 had about 100 fps over it's 4" Model 19 sibling the one time I chrono'd them.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 12:41:31 PM EDT
[#3]
I had one many years ago. Nice piece.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 12:45:07 PM EDT
[#4]
[drool]
nice weapon OP |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 12:51:14 PM EDT
[#5]
Yep, me too. But no collection is complete without all barrel lengths, now is it?
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Posted: 9/19/2005 12:52:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Square butt N frame Smiths rock!
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Posted: 9/19/2005 12:53:09 PM EDT
[#7]
I love the model 27. I had a 5" barreled version that I shot the %#$@ out of years ago.
Ever see Miculek (sp?) do his stuff? He makes the 27 sound like a machine gun- he has surpassed Ed McGivern I believe. Really unreal shooting ability! |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:00:15 PM EDT
[#8]
What kind of power could you get out of a rifle barrel?
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:07:08 PM EDT
[#9]
That is sweet O_P!!! I have a few shorter barreled .357's, but I have been looking for a deal on exactly what you found. Good find!
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:08:51 PM EDT
[#10]
Beautiful...... Love me some old wheel guns 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:09:39 PM EDT
[#11]
Very Nice piece O_P.
I'd like to get one to go with my 27-3 4 inch on of these days. Danny
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:11:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Nice wood.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:13:11 PM EDT
[#13]
First handgun I ever shot was my dads 2.5" Mod 27.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:14:24 PM EDT
[#14]
Very nice.
Here's a real 357 load to try in it; 125 gr Horn XTP and 22 grs of H110 www.hodgdon.com/data/pistol/357mag.php |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:14:32 PM EDT
[#15]
very nice.
here's mine 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:14:39 PM EDT
[#16]
"And my ears are still ringing."
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:17:52 PM EDT
[#17]
Ever see a 686 in matte finish ?
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:18:15 PM EDT
[#18]
Nice weapon... what did it set you back..
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:18:35 PM EDT
[#19]
That sounds like a fine one. I've had good luck with a 158 grain JHP or JSP, over 15.5 grains of AA-9. (You sure don't have to look for a hole in the target to tell if the pistol went off. ) |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:18:52 PM EDT
[#20]
The S&W 27's just may be the greatest .357's in history...and that includes the Python.
Beautiful revolver...I'll be it's a tack-driver, too. Good for you, O_P! HH |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:19:35 PM EDT
[#21]
Ya gonna take pics of that?
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:20:10 PM EDT
[#22]
Very nice. I bet that brake makes the leaves fall off the trees.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:20:18 PM EDT
[#23]
major +1 thats going to be a sweet shooter |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:21:10 PM EDT
[#24]
Nope, but I sure like it. 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:22:53 PM EDT
[#25]
Are the pinned and recessed barrels desirable?
There's a model 29, 7 or 8 inch barrel, 44 for sale at a local gun shop. It's practically brand new, but the dealer said he'd take 500 cash (because it was a pinned and recessed model). Anybody know? It looks brand new, the dealer said that only two cylinders full had been through it. No cylinder shake and the trigger is absolutely awesome. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:23:51 PM EDT
[#26]
makes 38's feel like a pop gun. .357 is kinda impressive in low light 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:25:11 PM EDT
[#27]
You will defiantly know that this load went off. You should try it out of a 4" GP-100.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:27:36 PM EDT
[#28]
In the original pistols, Smith pinned the barrels (to keep them from turning in the frame) and recessed the cylinders (to add a measure of strength to the cylinders). Smith later decided that these expensive additions were "unnecessary". Some of us old guys like them though and are willing to pay a premium for them. $500 for a mint S&W Model 29, P&R, is a good deal, if it is perfect and you want one. You can get one at a gun show for $50 to $100 less, but they will usually show some wear. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:30:09 PM EDT
[#29]
 SP101 2.25in Barrel Winchester 130g FMJ Q4171: 740 FPS Avg Remington 158g SJHP R357M2: 1170 FPS Avg ETA: This is my chronograph data. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:36:16 PM EDT
[#30]
Yep. So what's missing from this picture?...  ANSWER: My old Model 27.  I sold it to a very good friend/neighbor who fell in love with it and have regretted that neighborly act ever since. I keep meaning to replace it, but keep buying other things instead... 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 1:41:41 PM EDT
[#31]
Don't worry about it. We'll just keep working on our collections "till morning sweeps the Eastern sky". |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:01:16 PM EDT
[#32]
I bet that would give a bear a headache.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:03:26 PM EDT
[#33]
Sweet!
I once owned an identical M27 that was (for me, at least) one of the three or four most accurate handguns I have ever fired...and I have shot a BUNCH of handguns. I made shots on a regular basis with that gun that I could not tell about here without being called a liar, but I will say that one fairly easy shot I used to make with it was a beer or soda can at 100yd. offhand...no rest... using Federal 158gr, JHPs. It was like taking candy from a baby! Of course, I still had eyes and good reflexes back in them days!
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:04:51 PM EDT
[#34]
The revolvers are for the home. This is for bear. 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:16:23 PM EDT
[#35]
I've got it's big brother. The mod. 57 in 6".
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:33:49 PM EDT
[#36]
That's more like it!
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:38:17 PM EDT
[#37]
Yep, I know what you mean. I'm not exactly Elmer Keith, but I used to be able to hit targets at 100 yards with some regularity. It used to impress my shooting friends. I was once shooting with some other policemen in a big ditch. We were off duty and just plinking. One of them shot at a cola can at about 125 yards against a dirt bank. He missed by a couple of feet and said, "Nobody can hit a can that far". I laid down on my back, laid my 6 inch Colt Python against my leg and hit it the first shot. He said, "If you ever see Don draw and lay down, you better get behind something!" |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:42:28 PM EDT
[#38]
First the model 24, now this! ...... I really need one of those to. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:49:06 PM EDT
[#39]
Still nothing like an old S&W N-frame.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:49:07 PM EDT
[#40]
158 grain Hornady FP/XTP over 18.0 grains of Lil' Gun: 4 inch 686 - 1,208 fps average, 512 foot pounds 18.5 inch 1894C - 1,867 fps average, 1,224 foot pounds 180 grain cast over 13.9 Lil' Gun: 686 - 1,137/517 1894C - 1,703/1,160 125 grain Remington JHP over 18.5 H110 (well under max): 686 - 1,161/374 1894C - 1,987/1,096 Buffalo Bore as some advertising speeds here. I've never clocked any of their stuff, but the advertised speed of their 158 grain offering in an 1894C makes 1,627 foot pounds. www.buffalobore.com/ammunition/default.htm#357 |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:49:29 PM EDT
[#41]
Sure you do! I still have a few in my list. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 2:58:31 PM EDT
[#42]
Some interesting data, bigdb1. Thanks. But I would point out that a 55 grain bullet in an AR15 at 3300 fps gives 2418 fp of energy. And that is just a "standard" type load. Don't get me wrong......I am not "bad mouthing" folks that like to shoot pistol rounds in a rifle. But if I'm going to carry a rifle, I will shoot a "rifle" round in it. Rifles are rifles and pistols are pistols. And a pistol round in a rifle will never be like a real rifle round. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 3:01:20 PM EDT
[#43]
Damm that is one sweet M27 wish I could find one like that. Way back in 1978 I found a like new M28 "Highway Patrolman" with a 3 & 1/2" barrel, for $125. My brother in Law wanted it real bad so I sold it to him for the $125 with the intention that if he ever needs to sell it comes back to me. we then sent it t6o marker machine co. in southern IL. and had it black chromed for $60. OMG!! they had hard chromed the barrel, chambers, and action and the outer finish was the most beautifull black chrome finish you ever saw. TOO BAD THAT COMPANY IS NOLONGER IN BUSSINESS
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Posted: 9/19/2005 3:07:42 PM EDT
[#44]
NICE!!!
I had an 8 3/8th Model 27 .357 about 25 years ago. I sold it and have regretted it ever since. If I ever find a mint one, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 3:11:42 PM EDT
[#45]
I know where there's another one.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 3:21:38 PM EDT
[#46]
Just answering the question asked by AmericanPatriot1776. We agree on the "rifles are rifles and pistols are pistols". What the pistol cartridge carbine does do is give you a fun to shoot centerfire with a straight wall case that loads fast, easy and cheap on a progressive. The 1894C is a great bum around, shoot all day rifle. Light and handy, decent magazine capacity, low cost ammo and light recoil even with full magnum loads. And if a deer should cross my path, I'd much rather shoot it with a 180 grain flat point at 1,703 fps than a 55 grain pill at 3,300. You know, with the barrel on that new toy of yours, you aren't far from a carbine yourself.
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Posted: 9/19/2005 3:24:39 PM EDT
[#47]
You bet! I've owned a couple myself. They are a lots of fun. |
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:48:34 PM EDT
[#48]
The 3.5" version... 
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:54:33 PM EDT
[#49]
Yum!
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Posted: 9/19/2005 6:55:20 PM EDT
[#50]
The old Smiths are so damn classy.
Nice find. |
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