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Posted: 10/2/2004 12:57:55 PM EDT
This is for those of you that say we never talk about guns on GD.
I've always wanted an AR that at least looked a lot like the M-16 I carried at Fort Polk back in 1970. My buddy Tman and I have been shopping parts and finally found all we needed to put it together. Tman is the gunsmith. Here it is:  It has: Rock River Lower - $90 RR Kit - $54 USAF Colt M-16 upper from EE - $100 M-16 stock and grip - $12 Bolt and charging handle - $110 Dust cover - $4 Heavy duty extractor - $1 Buffer, tube, spring - $20 Total cost - $391 I like the 20 inch barrel, marked C MP C, for 1 in 12" and chrome chamber. Looks like my old one, except for the bolt assist and the FA part.  I like it. What do you guys think? |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:01:01 PM EDT
[#1]
so how hard/ how much experience is needed to actually assemble it?
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:01:12 PM EDT
[#2]
I thought that we weren't allowed to talk guns in GD. Very nice, BTW. sgt_seti |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:01:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:01:55 PM EDT
[#4]
Nice... how does it shoot?
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:03:27 PM EDT
[#5]
Nice.
Can't beat the classics.  |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:04:35 PM EDT
[#6]
Good looking rifle. The stock set looks painted. Is it?
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:04:40 PM EDT
[#7]
I like it...very retro and all for $391.00 can't beat that with a stick.....all you would need now would be a smooth lower and you'd have the look down. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:04:44 PM EDT
[#8]
SWEET!
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:05:18 PM EDT
[#9]
$391!
 Outstanding!  |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:05:54 PM EDT
[#10]
Sweet - maybe you guys should start a small side business. I for one, would easily pay $491 for that kind of "old-style" AR!
Seriously - conside this your first order if you want to  |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:06:13 PM EDT
[#11]
My shooting buddy Tman is the gunsmith on this team. He makes it look easy, but I'll let him say how hard it is to do.
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:06:44 PM EDT
[#12]
LOOKS GREAT!!!! Nice Job O_P
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:06:48 PM EDT
[#13]
Nice rifle..looks great!
Congrats and enjoy! Awesome price as well
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:07:00 PM EDT
[#14]
Haven't been to the range yet. Just finished it today. I'll report back after a range trip. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:08:00 PM EDT
[#15]
DK, you crazy dutchman.... i detailed a way in another tread how you can assemble your own A1 type rifle with deals currently on the market for $420
buffetechnologies has Colt A1 uppers starting at $275 and A1 stock sets for $40 |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:08:18 PM EDT
[#16]
Nope. Just brand new. We found two stocks and two grips at the Dallas Gun Show last weekend. They were off of USAF rifles and looked un-used. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:09:30 PM EDT
[#17]
Damn!!!That's sweet OP.........Don't be havin' any flashbacks to hamburger hill now...
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:10:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Well, as you probably know, if we were actually doing this for resale, it would be a business instead of a hobby. That would require lisences, etc. Don't really want to go there. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:12:32 PM EDT
[#19]
Saddle Up and Ride!!!
Well done, OP! |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:12:37 PM EDT
[#20]
If I did, it would have to be from watching the movie.  I'm no real hero. I was in the National Guard and never left the states. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:14:51 PM EDT
[#21]
Nice Rifle Sir.
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:16:30 PM EDT
[#22]
Hadn't thought of that - because I'm a fool . If you and Tman just assmbled the occasional AR at home, and sold it thorugh the EE, I thought it would be more like people who sell stuff on ebay as a side thing, not a real business. How different it that for firearms? Is there a magic number where it goes from being a hobby to a business? Or is it all about intent - so that as soon as you are buying a lower for the purpose of resale, you are in effect a business?Not really important - because I didn't imagine that you really would want to - I was just amazed that you could build one that looked so nice for such little money! |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:16:55 PM EDT
[#23]
Damned nice looking rifle.
One of those is on my list of "to build" projects......seeing the buffer technologies price on the upper makes me think I need to do that project sooner, rather than later. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:17:58 PM EDT
[#24]
Uh, doesn't this belong in the AR-15 topic?
Nice rifle! GREAT price! |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:18:04 PM EDT
[#25]
At $391, I wouldn't argue about it either.
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:22:07 PM EDT
[#26]
Great build-up and a great price. hose
Scott |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:23:06 PM EDT
[#27]
Very good job. Really.
I WANT ONE * SIGH* |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:34:32 PM EDT
[#28]
yup, I built one just like it, but you did a little better than I did. I figured I have about $420 in this one:
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:45:37 PM EDT
[#29]
Good job fellas!!!!
The $100 upper & barrel is the deal maker. Man, I wish I could find one of those!!!!! |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:47:41 PM EDT
[#30]
Say, is anyone making new slab-side lowers?
edited for use of wrong word.. oops edit #2: I guess if there were new slab-side lowers, you guys would be using them for these builds. NM then.. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:47:43 PM EDT
[#31]
Thanks for the comments guys. This is one of 4 early M16 "types" I have assembled in the past few weeks. O_P really likes his and mine shoot as good or better than they look. You forget how well balanced the early guns are if you haven't shot one recently.
The key is the parts shopping and a good deal on the upper. The rest is easy. Watch the EE and try to beat me out of the deals, LOL. It doesn't take any great skill, lots of instructions posted here abouts on the forum and takes me about an hour to assemble and adjust to my satisfaction. I don't want to go there on "how many you have to assemble and sell" to require an FFL and perhaps a business lic. A much discussed topic and never a clear answer that all can agree to. I am retired and tinkering with guns is a 48 year hobby for me and will remain so. ( I had an M1 in basic training ) BTW.... O_P forgot to include the cost of shopping the parts, like an overnight, 350 mile trip to Dallas a week ago to the gun show ,etc. The labor was free, but then O_P helped repair the piping to my water heater this AM and has had to endure a lot of unsolicited advice from me over the last 25 years. Let me know if any can use a bit of advice/help or encouragement on a similar project. It was great fun. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 1:59:56 PM EDT
[#32]
Looks great, OP. I'm working on a similar one. Got the barrelled upper for $160 (you gotta helluva bargain at $100), the bolt and carrier for $90, and all furniture for $27. So if my lower is $90 and parts kit is $55 I'm looking at $422 total. Oh, and I need a charging handle. Maybe $435.
I have shot my upper already and it produced some interesting keyholes with SS109 but did fine with American Eagle (52 grn? 55 grn? I dunno). Can't wait to get the rest of mine, I'm going to refinish it in Norrell moly resin. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:11:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Awesome...I would get a beater stock for the range...not too many new A1s to go around anymore I think. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:16:15 PM EDT
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When you baby them like I do, they don't get many dings. But seriously, I just shoot them and enjoy them. They are pretty tough. You don't have to worry too much about scratching them. Guns were made to be shot. So, I shoot them. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:17:20 PM EDT
[#35]
Man, I'd like to have that in Tiger Stripe camo!
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:18:31 PM EDT
[#36]
If you purchased the lower in your name and then had someone else assemble all the parts, that should not be a problem. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:20:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Why didn't I think of that!! Now I have a new project. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:21:14 PM EDT
[#38]
Here's my two $407 A1s. They were parts hunted on EE as well and that also doesnt include the costs of shopping. $407 is he bare costs of parts in the rifles.
One with FA and one without. These things are light too! 
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:23:04 PM EDT
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KOW makes an important point. The stripped lower is the key. That is what requires a yellow sheet. I had mine in the safe for almost two years, waiting for the right project. After that, you can get the other stuff through the mail. Ain't this a great hobby?  |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:25:16 PM EDT
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Nice looking rifles, captainpooby. Of course, "hunting the parts", as you say, is half the fun.
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:30:37 PM EDT
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Well, I ought not to let this secret out..............., but watch the EE. That's where we found ours. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:35:35 PM EDT
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Damn! I was thrilled when I built an all Bushmaster "pre-ban" M4 for $620. I say pre-ban because those of us in NY still need to track down pre-94 receivers. $391... woot!
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:40:48 PM EDT
[#43]
Nice I like the old ones.
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:40:56 PM EDT
[#44]
Come on to Texas, Hiram, where the air still smells like freedom. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:42:59 PM EDT
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Stick it in the pooper and take pictures.
Happy now?
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:45:48 PM EDT
[#46]
Nice old picture, BT. Tman and I were talking about the "3-prong" flash suppressors. Mine in Basic training had the "cage-type" like the one on my rifle. But a couple of guys in my platoon had the 3-prong type. As you probably know, these 3-prong types were phased out because the troops were using the prongs to break the metal straps on cargo bundles (thereby bending their barrels) and they also tended to hang-up on vines, etc, in the jungle. The one on my rifle has the entirely open basket. Later models had the bottom portion of the basket closed so that they did not throw up dirt and sand when firing prone. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:47:36 PM EDT
[#47]
good deal!
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Posted: 10/2/2004 2:53:24 PM EDT
[#48]
Nice build...
My Colt AR15 SP1 cost $409.95 when I bought it in 1979 from Ron Shirk's Shooters Supplies in Lebanon, PA back when he sold things retail.... I just sold it yesterday. Goodbye old friend....  |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 3:13:51 PM EDT
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Nothing sadder than selling an old friend. But then again..........now you have a new project. |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 3:28:52 PM EDT
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Dremel tool, anyone? 
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