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Posted: 10/2/2004 11:57:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/12/2004 7:40:39 AM EST by Old_Painless]
This is for those of you that say we never talk about guns on GD.

I've always wanted an AR that at least looked a lot like the M-16 I carried at Fort Polk back in 1970. My buddy Tman and I have been shopping parts and finally found all we needed to put it together. Tman is the gunsmith. Here it is:



It has:
Rock River Lower - $90
RR Kit - $54
USAF Colt M-16 upper from EE - $100
M-16 stock and grip - $12
Bolt and charging handle - $110
Dust cover - $4
Heavy duty extractor - $1
Buffer, tube, spring - $20

Total cost - $391

I like the 20 inch barrel, marked C MP C, for 1 in 12" and chrome chamber.

Looks like my old one, except for the bolt assist and the FA part.

I like it. What do you guys think?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:01:01 PM EST
so how hard/ how much experience is needed to actually assemble it?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:01:12 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
This is for those of you that say we never talk about guns on GD.
<snip>



I thought that we weren't allowed to talk guns in GD.

Very nice, BTW.

sgt_seti
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:01:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:01:55 PM EST
Nice... how does it shoot?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:03:27 PM EST
Nice.

Can't beat the classics.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:04:35 PM EST
Good looking rifle. The stock set looks painted. Is it?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:04:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
This is for those of you that say we never talk about guns on GD.

I've always wanted an AR that at least looked a lot like the M-16 I carried at Fort Polk back in 1970. My buddy Tman and I have been shopping parts and finally found all we needed to put it together. Tman is the gunsmith. Here it is:

photos.ar15.com/ImageGallery/Attachments/DownloadAttach.asp?iImageUnq=30580

It has:
Rock River Lower - $90
RR Kit - $54
USAF Colt M-16 upper from EE - $100
M-16 stock and grip - $12
Bolt and charging handle - $110
Dust cover - $4
Heavy duty extractor - $1
Buffer, tube, spring - $20

Total cost - $391

I like the 20 inch barrel, marked C MP C, for 1 in 12" and chrome chamber.

Looks like my old one, except for the bolt assist and the FA part.

I like it. What do you guys think?



I like it...very retro and all for $391.00 can't beat that with a stick.....all you would need now would be a smooth lower and you'd have the look down.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:04:44 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:05:18 PM EST
$391!

Outstanding!

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:05:54 PM EST
Sweet - maybe you guys should start a small side business. I for one, would easily pay $491 for that kind of "old-style" AR!


Seriously - conside this your first order if you want to

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:06:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise:
so how hard/ how much experience is needed to actually assemble it?



My shooting buddy Tman is the gunsmith on this team. He makes it look easy, but I'll let him say how hard it is to do.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:06:44 PM EST
LOOKS GREAT!!!! Nice Job O_P
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:06:48 PM EST
Nice rifle..looks great!
Congrats and enjoy!

Awesome price as well
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:07:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By Mojo_Jojo:
Nice... how does it shoot?



Haven't been to the range yet. Just finished it today.

I'll report back after a range trip.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:08:00 PM EST
DK, you crazy dutchman.... i detailed a way in another tread how you can assemble your own A1 type rifle with deals currently on the market for $420

buffetechnologies has Colt A1 uppers starting at $275 and A1 stock sets for $40
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:08:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Good looking rifle. The stock set looks painted. Is it?



Nope. Just brand new.

We found two stocks and two grips at the Dallas Gun Show last weekend. They were off of USAF rifles and looked un-used.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:09:30 PM EST
Damn!!!That's sweet OP.........Don't be havin' any flashbacks to hamburger hill now...
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:10:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Sweet - maybe you guys should start a small side business. I for one, would easily pay $491 for that kind of "old-style" AR!

Seriously - conside this your first order if you want to




Well, as you probably know, if we were actually doing this for resale, it would be a business instead of a hobby. That would require lisences, etc.

Don't really want to go there.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:12:32 PM EST
Saddle Up and Ride!!!


Well done, OP!
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:12:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By mmsig229:
Damn!!!That's sweet OP.........Don't be havin' any flashbacks to hamburger hill now...



If I did, it would have to be from watching the movie.

I'm no real hero. I was in the National Guard and never left the states.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:14:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:16:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Sweet - maybe you guys should start a small side business. I for one, would easily pay $491 for that kind of "old-style" AR!

Seriously - conside this your first order if you want to




Well, as you probably know, if we were actually doing this for resale, it would be a business instead of a hobby. That would require lisences, etc.

Don't really want to go there.




Hadn't thought of that - because I'm a fool . If you and Tman just assmbled the occasional AR at home, and sold it thorugh the EE, I thought it would be more like people who sell stuff on ebay as a side thing, not a real business. How different it that for firearms? Is there a magic number where it goes from being a hobby to a business? Or is it all about intent - so that as soon as you are buying a lower for the purpose of resale, you are in effect a business?

Not really important - because I didn't imagine that you really would want to - I was just amazed that you could build one that looked so nice for such little money!

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:16:55 PM EST
Damned nice looking rifle.


One of those is on my list of "to build" projects......seeing the buffer technologies price on the upper makes me think I need to do that project sooner, rather than later.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:17:58 PM EST
Uh, doesn't this belong in the AR-15 topic?





Nice rifle! GREAT price!
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:18:04 PM EST
At $391, I wouldn't argue about it either.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:22:07 PM EST
Great build-up and a great price. hose
Scott
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:23:06 PM EST
Very good job. Really.

I WANT ONE

* SIGH*

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:34:32 PM EST
yup, I built one just like it, but you did a little better than I did. I figured I have about $420 in this one:

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:45:37 PM EST
Good job fellas!!!!

The $100 upper & barrel is the deal maker. Man, I wish I could find one of those!!!!!
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:47:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 1:02:40 PM EST by warp_asylum]
Say, is anyone making new slab-side lowers?



edited for use of wrong word.. oops

edit #2:
I guess if there were new slab-side lowers, you guys would be using them for these builds.
NM then..

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:47:43 PM EST
Thanks for the comments guys. This is one of 4 early M16 "types" I have assembled in the past few weeks. O_P really likes his and mine shoot as good or better than they look. You forget how well balanced the early guns are if you haven't shot one recently.

The key is the parts shopping and a good deal on the upper. The rest is easy. Watch the EE and try to beat me out of the deals, LOL. It doesn't take any great skill, lots of instructions posted here abouts on the forum and takes me about an hour to assemble and adjust to my satisfaction.

I don't want to go there on "how many you have to assemble and sell" to require an FFL and perhaps a business lic. A much discussed topic and never a clear answer that all can agree to. I am retired and tinkering with guns is a 48 year hobby for me and will remain so. ( I had an M1 in basic training )

BTW.... O_P forgot to include the cost of shopping the parts, like an overnight, 350 mile trip to Dallas a week ago to the gun show ,etc. The labor was free, but then O_P helped repair the piping to my water heater this AM and has had to endure a lot of unsolicited advice from me over the last 25 years.

Let me know if any can use a bit of advice/help or encouragement on a similar project. It was great fun.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:59:56 PM EST
Looks great, OP. I'm working on a similar one. Got the barrelled upper for $160 (you gotta helluva bargain at $100), the bolt and carrier for $90, and all furniture for $27. So if my lower is $90 and parts kit is $55 I'm looking at $422 total. Oh, and I need a charging handle. Maybe $435.

I have shot my upper already and it produced some interesting keyholes with SS109 but did fine with American Eagle (52 grn? 55 grn? I dunno).

Can't wait to get the rest of mine, I'm going to refinish it in Norrell moly resin.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:11:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By Sukebe:
Good looking rifle. The stock set looks painted. Is it?



Nope. Just brand new.

We found two stocks and two grips at the Dallas Gun Show last weekend. They were off of USAF rifles and looked un-used.



Awesome...I would get a beater stock for the range...not too many new A1s to go around anymore I think.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:16:15 PM EST

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:
Awesome...I would get a beater stock for the range...not too many new A1s to go around anymore I think.



When you baby them like I do, they don't get many dings.

But seriously, I just shoot them and enjoy them. They are pretty tough. You don't have to worry too much about scratching them.

Guns were made to be shot. So, I shoot them.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:17:20 PM EST
Man, I'd like to have that in Tiger Stripe camo!
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:18:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Sweet - maybe you guys should start a small side business. I for one, would easily pay $491 for that kind of "old-style" AR!

Seriously - conside this your first order if you want to




Well, as you probably know, if we were actually doing this for resale, it would be a business instead of a hobby. That would require lisences, etc.

Don't really want to go there.




Hadn't thought of that - because I'm a fool . If you and Tman just assmbled the occasional AR at home, and sold it thorugh the EE, I thought it would be more like people who sell stuff on ebay as a side thing, not a real business. How different it that for firearms? Is there a magic number where it goes from being a hobby to a business? Or is it all about intent - so that as soon as you are buying a lower for the purpose of resale, you are in effect a business?

Not really important - because I didn't imagine that you really would want to - I was just amazed that you could build one that looked so nice for such little money!





If you purchased the lower in your name and then had someone else assemble all the parts, that should not be a problem.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:20:42 PM EST

Originally Posted By BB:
Man, I'd like to have that in Tiger Stripe camo!



Why didn't I think of that!!

Now I have a new project.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:21:14 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 1:22:54 PM EST by captainpooby]
Here's my two $407 A1s. They were parts hunted on EE as well and that also doesnt include the costs of shopping. $407 is he bare costs of parts in the rifles.
One with FA and one without. These things are light too!

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:23:04 PM EST

Originally Posted By KOW:

If you purchased the lower in your name and then had someone else assemble all the parts, that should not be a problem.



KOW makes an important point.

The stripped lower is the key. That is what requires a yellow sheet. I had mine in the safe for almost two years, waiting for the right project.

After that, you can get the other stuff through the mail.

Ain't this a great hobby?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:25:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
Here's my two $407 A1s. They were parts hunted on EE as well and that also doesnt include the costs of shopping. $407 is he bare costs of parts in the rifles.
One with FA and one without. These things are light too!




Nice looking rifles, captainpooby.

Of course, "hunting the parts", as you say, is half the fun.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:30:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By CavVet:
Good job fellas!!!!

The $100 upper & barrel is the deal maker. Man, I wish I could find one of those!!!!!



Well, I ought not to let this secret out..............., but watch the EE. That's where we found ours.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:35:35 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:40:48 PM EST
Nice I like the old ones.

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:40:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By HiramRanger:
Damn! I was thrilled when I built an all Bushmaster "pre-ban" M4 for $620. I say pre-ban because those of us in NY still need to track down pre-94 receivers. $391... woot!



Come on to Texas, Hiram, where the air still smells like freedom.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:42:59 PM EST
Stick it in the pooper and take pictures.

Happy now?



Originally Posted By jtb33:
Uh, doesn't this belong in the AR-15 topic?

Nice rifle! GREAT price!

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:45:48 PM EST

Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
Nice I like the old ones.




Nice old picture, BT.

Tman and I were talking about the "3-prong" flash suppressors. Mine in Basic training had the "cage-type" like the one on my rifle. But a couple of guys in my platoon had the 3-prong type.

As you probably know, these 3-prong types were phased out because the troops were using the prongs to break the metal straps on cargo bundles (thereby bending their barrels) and they also tended to hang-up on vines, etc, in the jungle.

The one on my rifle has the entirely open basket. Later models had the bottom portion of the basket closed so that they did not throw up dirt and sand when firing prone.


Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:47:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 1:53:24 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 1:55:25 PM EST by faldoc]
Nice build...

My Colt AR15 SP1 cost $409.95 when I bought it in 1979 from Ron Shirk's Shooters Supplies in Lebanon, PA back when he sold things retail.... I just sold it yesterday.
Goodbye old friend....
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 2:13:51 PM EST

Originally Posted By faldoc:
Nice build...

My Colt AR15 SP1 cost $409.95 when I bought it in 1979 from Ron Shirk's Shooters Supplies in Lebanon, PA back when he sold things retail.... I just sold it yesterday.
Goodbye old friend....



Nothing sadder than selling an old friend.

But then again..........now you have a new project.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 2:28:52 PM EST
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