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Posted: 6/15/2009 7:06:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2009 7:08:31 AM EST by Qweevox]
A History of the USSA: United Socialist States of America––-Writers wanted!

I'd like to write this history. What better place then here on this forum to do it?

In America "socialism" for the most part is a bad word. We don't like it and we sure as hell don't like to admit we benefit from it. Which is why we use other words in place of "socialism". Most of the rest of the world doesn't have this aversion to "socialism". In fact in many parts of the world they just say it...."socialism".

I've also noticed that Americans only tend to call the "other guys" socialism...."socialism". What do I mean? Well, for example social security....no matter how you slice it social security IS socialism. Oh sure, if you are receiving it you tell yourself that its not socialism because you "paid into it". The thing you have to remember is you didn't pay into a savings account, and your benefit isn't based solely on what YOU paid into your account plus interest or investment return. In fact you don't even have a "social security account", the money you paid in was a tax not an investment. The same goes for Medicare and Medicaid. Sure, welfare is socialism, some people call it a "safety net", but so are farm and business subsidies. In fact anything that requires government to take money from one person to provide a benefit to another....is socialism.

To me the beginning of the USSA was FDR's New Deal. Almost all the socialism we have today started during this period. We can thank FDR for changing America. Before the New Deal, America was the land of the "individual". Personal responsibility and self reliance were the pillars of American culture. From the time of the founding fathers to FDR America, for the most part, was a modern libertarian's dream. It was a time of limited government and low taxes. There were few, if any, government provided "safety nets". The government didn't try as hard to "protect" people from themselves, and the choices they made. Oh sure, there where movements like Teddy Roosevelt's progressive movement at the dawn of the 20th century. We also tried to protect people from the vice of alcohol through prohibition, but for the most part these efforts were few and far between. No, up until the "New Deal" the government wasn't very proactive in its citizens lives...at least by today's standards.

SO....tell me your thoughts, write your opinions and observations for our new history....the history of the United Socialist States of America!
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:17:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By Qweevox:

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To me the beginning of the USSA was FDR's New Deal. Almost all the socialism we have today started during this period. We can thank FDR for changing America. Before the New Deal, America was the land of the "individual".

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Look earlier.

Read about the history of the government's formal sweeping response to the Industrial Revolution known as the Progressive Era. It started, IMO, in 1896 with the election of William McKinley.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 4:33:26 PM EST
I agree the Progressives started it. But it was not until the "New Deal" that we see the rise of the USSA.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 4:43:49 PM EST
Originally Posted By Qweevox:
I agree the Progressives started it. But it was not until the "New Deal" that we see the rise of the USSA.


No, it is earlier. In history you begin with the backstory. You need to see where USSA came from. It's origins are in the 19th century.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 5:49:51 PM EST
Originally Posted By only1asterisk:
Originally Posted By Qweevox:
I agree the Progressives started it. But it was not until the "New Deal" that we see the rise of the USSA.


No, it is earlier. In history you begin with the backstory. You need to see where USSA came from. It's origins are in the 19th century.


That's why I started the post.....give us the back story, or just your opinion. I'm interested.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 6:00:20 PM EST
Obama and his ilk are the same as the Progressives of the early 20th century. Hillary even admitted it.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 6:10:19 PM EST
I actually had this set of initials cross my mind today, and I didn't like it one bit.
USSA.
Coincidence to see it here tonight.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 6:27:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By BusMaster007:
I actually had this set of initials cross my mind today, and I didn't like it one bit.
USSA.
Coincidence to see it here tonight.


ahhhhhh.....the metamind at work or is it a glitch in the Matrix....

In any case, what made you think of those initials? What were you thinking about? Why don't you like them?

Link Posted: 6/15/2009 6:55:44 PM EST
Originally Posted By thunderw21:
Obama and his ilk are the same as the Progressives of the early 20th century. Hillary even admitted it.


There is a perfect example. Modern Liberals don't even like to use the word "socialism". Obama and party uses "Progressive".....

Link Posted: 6/16/2009 12:49:40 AM EST
I think Henri de Saint-Simon is a good place to start. He has all the basic ideas and heavily influenced Marx.
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