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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:40:45 PM EDT
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$87,000
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:42:48 PM EDT
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R410a will not show a difference in cooling capacity, it's just more "eco friendly"
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:46:27 PM EDT
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I had mine replaced in July, It cost me $6K.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:47:38 PM EDT
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$87,000 Good luck You must have a government housing allowance. 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:49:53 PM EDT
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I think I paid 2K for the 1.5 I had installed a few years ago.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:51:21 PM EDT
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R410a will not show a difference in cooling capacity, it's just more "eco friendly" I have heard of other folks replacing their A/C units and they told me that their cooling bills went down over the summer. I am unsure of this and was wanting to find out if others had experienced the same thing. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:52:06 PM EDT
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Order the same size outside unit on eBay. Have local guy install it correctly. The unit will be easier to purchase that it will be to have someone install it correctly.
Keywords New lineset Virgin 410a Micron gauge braze under 2-3 PSI nitrogen flow Superheat and subcooling If your installer is not well experienced with the above terms/practices look for someone who is A unit that small should be well under $2k |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:52:16 PM EDT
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I had mine replaced in July, It cost me $6K. What is the SEER rating for that unit? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:53:24 PM EDT
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Besides being old, what's wrong with the old one? I've replaced relays, capacitors, blower motor and topped up the r22 over the last few years in my unit. I know it's getting old. But it ain dead till you say its dead.
Although I did spend the weekend replacing my rotten boiler. Mostly because the water was trying to fill the basement.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:54:55 PM EDT
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I think I paid 2K for the 1.5 I had installed a few years ago. Did you shop around before you bought that unit? That is a good price! 
How have your results been with it so far? Are you saving money on your warm month utility bills or is it about the same as your old bills with the R-22 unit? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:56:22 PM EDT
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I just had my whole blower unit replaced Saturday. There went my money for a Zenith Z-5RS
 
It cost me 2300 bucks and my Sat. morning/afternoon. My old unit uses r22 but my ac guy put in a blower that can convert to the newer stuff when my compressor blows out. ETA: my blower is a 4 ton. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 8:58:55 PM EDT
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Order the same size outside unit on eBay. Have local guy install it correctly. The unit will be easier to purchase that it will be to have someone install it correctly. Keywords New lineset Virgin 410a Micron gauge braze under 2-3 PSI nitrogen flow Superheat and subcooling If your installer is not well experienced with the above terms/practices look for someone who is A unit that small should be well under $2k Not sure if most around here would even be knowledgeable of what you have just described. Had one guy who came out who said that he could do it for $1900. Would install the new outdoor unit and use my existing A coil. Don`t know if that is a good idea or not. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:02:24 PM EDT
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Besides being old, what's wrong with the old one? I've replaced relays, capacitors, blower motor and topped up the r22 over the last few years in my unit. I know it's getting old. But it ain dead till you say its dead. Although I did spend the weekend replacing my rotten boiler. Mostly because the water was trying to fill the basement. Mine crapped out last night after freezing up for 2 days. You ought to hear the unit come on now. People a block away can hear it too. That thing is howling. As soon as it kicks on, I run at full speed to turn off the thermostat. 
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:02:40 PM EDT
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I just had our 3 ton replaced a couple months ago. It was 2500.
ETA: that was for air handler and outside unit. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:06:39 PM EDT
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I had a 2.5 ton 14 seer Rudd brand put in a rental. 3900 dollars. March 2016
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:09:09 PM EDT
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Find a major contractor working on a jobsite. Ask the tech if he knows anyone who does it on the side. Get thier number, profit.
I just had my 3.5 ton unit replaced. Guardian system made by york here in the usa. 14 seer ac, 95 percent efficient furnace 105k blower .. $3900 total installed. I had to pick up the unit and take my old to the scrap yard were the stipulations. Anyone in Kansas city area interested pm me I will give you Davids number. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:14:34 PM EDT
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I just had our 3 ton replaced a couple months ago. It was 2500. ETA: that was for air handler and outside unit. Fuuuuuuck, I feel cheated!
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:15:26 PM EDT
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Did you shop around before you bought that unit? That is a good price!
How have your results been with it so far? Are you saving money on your warm month utility bills or is it about the same as your old bills with the R-22 unit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think I paid 2K for the 1.5 I had installed a few years ago. Did you shop around before you bought that unit? That is a good price!
How have your results been with it so far? Are you saving money on your warm month utility bills or is it about the same as your old bills with the R-22 unit? The compressor shit itself but was under warranty. Cost 100 to get it replaced. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:17:40 PM EDT
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I just had mine replaced 3 weeks ago.
2.5 ton 14 seer Outside unit and coil in the air handler $2800 |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:20:11 PM EDT
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Mine crapped out last night after freezing up for 2 days. You ought to hear the unit come on now. People a block away can hear it too. That thing is howling. As soon as it kicks on, I run at full speed to turn off the thermostat.
Freezing up usually means it's low and you have a leak, I would not run it until you can have it filled and sniffed to find the leak. Save your compressor! IIRC it's the refrigerant itself that keeps the compressor motor cool. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:21:39 PM EDT
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3 ton 16 seer last month was $3500
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:30:39 PM EDT
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Find a major contractor working on a jobsite. Ask the tech if he knows anyone who does it on the side. Get thier number, profit. I just had my 3.5 ton unit replaced. Guardian system made by york here in the usa. 14 seer ac, 95 percent efficient furnace 105k blower .. $3900 total installed. I had to pick up the unit and take my old to the scrap yard were the stipulations. Anyone in Kansas city area interested pm me I will give you Davids number. Do people really stumble around jobsites trying to find guys to moonlight? That sounds insane to me. Do you dress up like a contractor so you dont get thrown out? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:31:20 PM EDT
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I did a 4.5 ton 16 seer ac and furnace for about 6k. I will say higher seer makes a substantial difference. My bill is a fraction of what my neighbors pay in comparable houses. I have also done great improvements such as insulation, new windows and such. For as hot as it is here, highest my electric bill gets is about 120 a month, last month was 80.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:39:28 PM EDT
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Freezing up usually means it's low and you have a leak, I would not run it until you can have it filled and sniffed to find the leak. Save your compressor! IIRC it's the refrigerant itself that keeps the compressor motor cool. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine crapped out last night after freezing up for 2 days. You ought to hear the unit come on now. People a block away can hear it too. That thing is howling. As soon as it kicks on, I run at full speed to turn off the thermostat.
Freezing up usually means it's low and you have a leak, I would not run it until you can have it filled and sniffed to find the leak. Save your compressor! IIRC it's the refrigerant itself that keeps the compressor motor cool. I know that I have a leak. Part of the leak is in the A-coil. The other, is in the unit outside on the pad. Not sure if the compressor is leaking. Knowing all of these things, wondering if replacing the existing unit with a higher efficiency set-up will be a better expenditure......or fix the faulty components..... |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:41:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Order the same size outside unit on eBay. Have local guy install it correctly. The unit will be easier to purchase that it will be to have someone install it correctly. Keywords New lineset Virgin 410a Micron gauge braze under 2-3 PSI nitrogen flow Superheat and subcooling If your installer is not well experienced with the above terms/practices look for someone who is A unit that small should be well under $2k |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:44:55 PM EDT
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Do people really stumble around jobsites trying to find guys to moonlight? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Find a major contractor working on a jobsite. Ask the tech if he knows anyone who does it on the side. Get thier number, profit. I just had my 3.5 ton unit replaced. Guardian system made by york here in the usa. 14 seer ac, 95 percent efficient furnace 105k blower .. $3900 total installed. I had to pick up the unit and take my old to the scrap yard were the stipulations. Anyone in Kansas city area interested pm me I will give you Davids number. Do people really stumble around jobsites trying to find guys to moonlight? I want someone that I can call who will answer the telephone and is reputable if I need a warranty issue resolved. Have heard of too many buddy deals that left folks hanging in the wind when things didn`t work after installation. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:46:02 PM EDT
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I did a 4.5 ton 16 seer ac and furnace for about 6k. I will say higher seer makes a substantial difference. My bill is a fraction of what my neighbors pay in comparable houses. I have also done great improvements such as insulation, new windows and such. For as hot as it is here, highest my electric bill gets is about 120 a month, last month was 80. I wondered about that. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:47:44 PM EDT
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And get zero warranty and get hammered on labor if you can find a loser to install it. All HVAC warranties specifically exclude internet sales for warranty coverage. And anyone that actually knows what they are doing will not be interested in this type of work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Order the same size outside unit on eBay. Have local guy install it correctly. The unit will be easier to purchase that it will be to have someone install it correctly. Keywords New lineset Virgin 410a Micron gauge braze under 2-3 PSI nitrogen flow Superheat and subcooling If your installer is not well experienced with the above terms/practices look for someone who is A unit that small should be well under $2k Going to find someone local who is reputable and though it may cost me more, I have a warranty. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:48:08 PM EDT
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Think you could get a better price if you wait until January? Or does it not work that way?
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:55:13 PM EDT
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You must have a government housing allowance.
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$87,000 Good luck You must have a government housing allowance.
Lol Coincidently, i had an Hvac tech at this installation in NC im working on this week. All the refrigerant is gone. Brand new Bard. It will not be inexpensive. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:55:22 PM EDT
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Freezing up usually means it's low and you have a leak, I would not run it until you can have it filled and sniffed to find the leak. Save your compressor! IIRC it's the refrigerant itself that keeps the compressor motor cool. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine crapped out last night after freezing up for 2 days. You ought to hear the unit come on now. People a block away can hear it too. That thing is howling. As soon as it kicks on, I run at full speed to turn off the thermostat.
Freezing up usually means it's low and you have a leak, I would not run it until you can have it filled and sniffed to find the leak. Save your compressor! IIRC it's the refrigerant itself that keeps the compressor motor cool. sounds like the bearings went out on the blower motor. low Freon isn't the only reason for freezing, there can be many reasons including air flow over the evaporator coil. what part of the state are you in? |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 9:59:20 PM EDT
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Think you could get a better price if you wait until January? Or does it not work that way? Maybe. But by that time, I could squirrel away enough money to pay for the new unit and not have to borrow it.
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Posted: 10/18/2016 10:02:19 PM EDT
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sounds like the bearings went out on the blower motor. low Freon isn't the only reason for freezing, there can be many reasons including air flow over the evaporator coil. what part of the state are you in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine crapped out last night after freezing up for 2 days. You ought to hear the unit come on now. People a block away can hear it too. That thing is howling. As soon as it kicks on, I run at full speed to turn off the thermostat.
Freezing up usually means it's low and you have a leak, I would not run it until you can have it filled and sniffed to find the leak. Save your compressor! IIRC it's the refrigerant itself that keeps the compressor motor cool. sounds like the bearings went out on the blower motor. low Freon isn't the only reason for freezing, there can be many reasons including air flow over the evaporator coil. what part of the state are you in? E TN. It isn`t the blower motor. That thing sounds like a coffee grinder in full speed and is very loud. The whole pad seems to shake when the compressor kicks on. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:23:52 PM EDT
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Fuuuuuuck, I feel cheated! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just had our 3 ton replaced a couple months ago. It was 2500. ETA: that was for air handler and outside unit. Fuuuuuuck, I feel cheated! Yeah. Thats a pretty good price. Im getting 3k estimates for a 1.5 ton unit installed. Must have a HVAC mafia in town. 
Fortunatley, Dad is handy with a/c systems and licenced to buy the older refrigerants. We've been able to keep my 30 year old rudd unit limping along, but the damn thing is on its last leg. |
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Posted: 10/18/2016 11:26:48 PM EDT
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E TN. It isn`t the blower motor. That thing sounds like a coffee grinder in full speed and is very loud. The whole pad seems to shake when the compressor kicks on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine crapped out last night after freezing up for 2 days. You ought to hear the unit come on now. People a block away can hear it too. That thing is howling. As soon as it kicks on, I run at full speed to turn off the thermostat.
Freezing up usually means it's low and you have a leak, I would not run it until you can have it filled and sniffed to find the leak. Save your compressor! IIRC it's the refrigerant itself that keeps the compressor motor cool. sounds like the bearings went out on the blower motor. low Freon isn't the only reason for freezing, there can be many reasons including air flow over the evaporator coil. what part of the state are you in? E TN. It isn`t the blower motor. That thing sounds like a coffee grinder in full speed and is very loud. The whole pad seems to shake when the compressor kicks on. AC compressors can make a tremendous racket when the bearings are on their last leg. On car systems, It gets really fun when the compressor finally blows up and pukes those little needle bearings into the refrigerant lines. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:48:53 PM EDT
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Why is it that when you think that you might have a chance at putting back some funds for a rainy day, that Murphy steps in and screws up the whole equation?
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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:49:46 PM EDT
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If funds are really tight, just get a window unit and just A/C your bedroom.
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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:52:00 PM EDT
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Why is it that when you think that you might have a chance at putting back some funds for a rainy day, that Murphy steps in and screws up the whole equation?
Joys of home ownership. Window units cost next to nothing. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:56:56 PM EDT
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If funds are really tight, just get a window unit and just A/C your bedroom. I thought about that and your comment is sound and makes good sense in my dilemma. Thank you for your insight! 
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Posted: 10/20/2016 10:58:34 PM EDT
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Joys of home ownership. Window units cost next to nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why is it that when you think that you might have a chance at putting back some funds for a rainy day, that Murphy steps in and screws up the whole equation?
Joys of home ownership. Window units cost next to nothing. Isn`t that the truth!
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:01:24 PM EDT
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Replace it with a matched set (evaporator, condenser, thermostat, and fan). It will save you in the long run. You are looking at $3 to $5k. If you can wait a little longer everything will go on sale and they will offer 12 months same as cash. The price will be dependent on how efficient of a unit you purchase and how hungry your a/c guy is.
The on line suppliers are running 10% discounts now and will hook you up with a local installer. The secret with the 12 months same as cash is to never pay late or it will trigger high interest rates. What I do is, as soon as I sign the contract I divide the cost by 10 and send in a check. That way I pay it off early and I am one month ahead of the payments so nothing gets delayed in posting my payment. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:08:08 PM EDT
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Winter is coming
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:41:49 PM EDT
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Replace it with a matched set (evaporator, condenser, thermostat, and fan). It will save you in the long run. You are looking at $3 to $5k. If you can wait a little longer everything will go on sale and they will offer 12 months same as cash. The price will be dependent on how efficient of a unit you purchase and how hungry your a/c guy is. . The 3 to 5K number that you threw out was something that I thought I would have to pay to get this done. 
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:44:14 PM EDT
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Winter is coming Providing that your statement is true, I may be able to pay for the new system without having to finance the upgrade of the old system. |
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Posted: 10/20/2016 11:56:54 PM EDT
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Can you cool your house with a window unit ? You can buy a window unit one over a ton easily.
A 12,000 BTU window AC with heat is pretty cheap. |
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