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Posted: 6/15/2009 7:19:02 AM EST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights


Just a snippet.

The Second Bill of Rights was a proposal made by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944 to suggest that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second bill of rights. Roosevelt did not argue for any change to the United States Constitution; he argued that the second bill of rights was to be implemented politically, not by federal judges. Roosevelt's stated justification was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to create an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

A job with a living wage
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies
Homeownership
Medical care
Education
Recreation
Roosevelt stated that having these rights would guarantee American security, and that America's place in the world depended upon how far these and similar rights had been carried into practice.

Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:21:19 AM EST
All I can say is
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:21:53 AM EST
The more I unlearn the bullshit that was fed to me in school about Roosevelt the more I despise the man.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:22:24 AM EST
aka communism
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:22:55 AM EST
Figures. Fdr being a socialist twit and all.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:23:07 AM EST
Hmmm... sounds like typical lib/dem definitions of "rights". Obama is well on his way to implementing such a bill...
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:23:30 AM EST
I love how they crammed all the FDR shit down our throats during school.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:23:37 AM EST
I found that link in a demoncrats sig line over at DU.

I'm going in underground to infiltrate that place. I think I'm gonna fire up a post called "I'm tired of Obama's lies" and see where it goes.

Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:25:22 AM EST
And this is NOWHERE to be found in textbooks in public schools. Awesome.

Really really don't like FDR anymore.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:25:56 AM EST
Originally Posted By molotov357:
aka communism


Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:27:15 AM EST
Originally Posted By replicators:
The more I unlearn the bullshit that was fed to me in school about Roosevelt the more I despise the man.


This...

As a kid, I kind of admired him. Then I started learning the truth about him.

Friggin socialist.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:29:43 AM EST
Roosevelt was called "Red Rosie" in some circles because he was such a flaming socialist.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:31:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By fruitjacket:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights


Just a snippet.

The Second Bill of Rights was a proposal made by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944 to suggest that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second bill of rights. Roosevelt did not argue for any change to the United States Constitution; he argued that the second bill of rights was to be implemented politically, not by federal judges. Roosevelt's stated justification was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to create an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

A job with a living wage
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies
Homeownership
Medical care
Education
Recreation
Roosevelt stated that having these rights would guarantee American security, and that America's place in the world depended upon how far these and similar rights had been carried into practice.


It's called 'Positive Rights' theory...

And it's exactly what the Libs would go after, if the 9th Amendment were ever held to mean anything....
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:33:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2009 7:33:57 AM EST by Dave_A]

Originally Posted By Assault-Rifle-City:
And this is NOWHERE to be found in textbooks in public schools. Awesome.

Really really don't like FDR anymore.

Why would it be? It was never enacted...

Public school history class is a basic overview, they have enough trouble keeping heads off desks, and eyes front teaching when Roosevelt was President, and what was happening (Depression, WWII, etc) ...

Without going into his politics...

Further, history class is not supposed to teach politics (conservative OR liberal), it is supposed to teach events....
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:36:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
Originally Posted By replicators:
The more I unlearn the bullshit that was fed to me in school about Roosevelt the more I despise the man.


This...

As a kid, I kind of admired him. Then I started learning the truth about him.

Friggin socialist.


Im STILL trying to unlearn some shit. but then again I just graduated Friday.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:37:52 AM EST
FDR was a Socialist Scumbag.
Originally Posted By Zadridling:
Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
Originally Posted By replicators:
The more I unlearn the bullshit that was fed to me in school about Roosevelt the more I despise the man.


This...

As a kid, I kind of admired him. Then I started learning the truth about him.

Friggin socialist.


Im STILL trying to unlearn some shit. but then again I just graduated Friday.


Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:37:53 AM EST
Hey what do you know..FDR was a socialist shithead. Big surprise!
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:39:30 AM EST
I took AP US History this year, and the only thing my school cared to tell me about this man was he was god and saved our country. Dont you love school?
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:41:21 AM EST
FDR was such a worthless piece of shit.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:42:40 AM EST
Originally Posted By fruitjacket:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bill_of_Rights


Just a snippet.

The Second Bill of Rights was a proposal made by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt during his State of the Union Address on January 11, 1944 to suggest that the nation had come to recognize, and should now implement, a second bill of rights. Roosevelt did not argue for any change to the United States Constitution; he argued that the second bill of rights was to be implemented politically, not by federal judges. Roosevelt's stated justification was that the "political rights" guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights had "proved inadequate to assure us equality in the pursuit of happiness." Roosevelt's remedy was to create an "economic bill of rights" which would guarantee:

A job with a living wage
Freedom from unfair competition and monopolies
Homeownership
Medical care
Education
Recreation
Roosevelt stated that having these rights would guarantee American security, and that America's place in the world depended upon how far these and similar rights had been carried into practice.



sounds just like those laws in atlas shrugged. I forgot the exact name of the directives.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:43:00 AM EST

Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I took AP US History this year, and the only thing my school cared to tell me about this man was he was god and saved our country. Dont you love school?

Junior?


I'm going to be a Junior next year.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:44:14 AM EST
Originally Posted By lamarbrog:

Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I took AP US History this year, and the only thing my school cared to tell me about this man was he was god and saved our country. Dont you love school?

Junior?


I'm going to be a Junior next year.


Yep
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:44:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
Originally Posted By replicators:
The more I unlearn the bullshit that was fed to me in school about Roosevelt the more I despise the man.


This...

As a kid, I kind of admired him. Then I started learning the truth about him.

Friggin socialist.


Yup.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:44:54 AM EST
Just like Hank Hill's dad, Cotton, says in King of the Hill.

Everyday I had to stop by the statue of FDR and flip it the bird!
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:45:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2009 7:45:58 AM EST by jbombelli]

Originally Posted By replicators:
The more I unlearn the bullshit that was fed to me in school about Roosevelt the more I despise the man.

+1. I was taught that the New Deal was the only thing that saved this country from total ruin.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:46:26 AM EST
Originally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean:
Originally Posted By Atomic_Ferret:
Originally Posted By replicators:
The more I unlearn the bullshit that was fed to me in school about Roosevelt the more I despise the man.


This...

As a kid, I kind of admired him. Then I started learning the truth about him.

Friggin socialist.


Yup.

You all got that right.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:47:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2009 7:52:12 AM EST by SuperJanitor]
Yep, FDR was the father of socialism as we know it today in America. He is also held in high regard by many for it. Is it any wonder why our nation is sliding farther down the crapper every day? Somebody's gotta pay for all them chickens in the pot
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 7:49:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:
Further, history class is not supposed to teach politics (conservative OR liberal), it is supposed to teach events....


History class isn't there to teach events –– or at least, it isn't supposed, to, but rather that is what usually ends up happening. Most people believe that "learning history" means memorizing dates and places.

Rather, history class is supposed to be about learning the why behind certain events. Of course, events are important, but their root cause is more important. Learning why an event happened is usually more important than learning that X happened on Y date, and memorizing that to regurgitate for a test.

I hope I would know what I am talking about, as someone with a degree in the subject.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:00:28 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Assault-Rifle-City:
And this is NOWHERE to be found in textbooks in public schools. Awesome.

Really really don't like FDR anymore.

Why would it be? It was never enacted...

Public school history class is a basic overview, they have enough trouble keeping heads off desks, and eyes front teaching when Roosevelt was President, and what was happening (Depression, WWII, etc) ...

Without going into his politics...

Further, history class is not supposed to teach politics (conservative OR liberal), it is supposed to teach events....


Unfortunately, they teach it very liberally. Not only the teachers, the Mcgraw Hill textbooks are quite liberal. They hold that the 2nd amendment is a collective right of the military, not an individual right of the people. Also, the liberal bias seeps through when learning about the civil war, the industrial revolution,and the great depression (which is about as far as you get.) in 3 years of American history, I've never had a class that made it all the way to 1945. the cold war, vietnam, gulf war, none of it.

Just as an example, The Civil War - It's taught that the south was a bunch of evil redneck hicks who owned black people and made them do their work because they were far too lazy. Lincoln had no choice but to kill all of them. Now I understand that slavery is wrong, but the argument of states rights is never brought up. It just makes southerners look like a bunch of ignorant assholes.

They love to leave out important little tidbits so that their socialist heroes are regarded as such by the future leftists that they're indoctrinating. And As a recent high school graduate, take it from me, its largely working. Many of these kids have no family life, and even if they did, most of their parents either have no political leaning or have no interest in discussing it with their kids, consequently they take what little they do learn as fact, don't bother doing their own research and end up voting for obama with the belief that everyone "deserves" a home, and healthcare, and food, and money, and a car, and a cellphone. (as long as they don't have to pay for it.)

The kids in my senior government class, voted almost unanimously, that everyone should receive an all expenses paid college education from the gov't (just what we need gov't control of colleges) but none of them wanted to vote to raise taxes. They have no idea where the government get's their money from. I personally think this stems from having made it through high school on mommy and daddy's dime, and not having to have held a job to get by, or get the family by. Most people I know who pay taxes don't enjoy it, and want to see as few government programs as possible. Not these kids. they want free money for everyone. Socialism. Because they've been indoctrinated. It's fucking insane.

Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:03:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Assault-Rifle-City:
And this is NOWHERE to be found in textbooks in public schools. Awesome.

Really really don't like FDR anymore.

Why would it be? It was never enacted...

Public school history class is a basic overview, they have enough trouble keeping heads off desks, and eyes front teaching when Roosevelt was President, and what was happening (Depression, WWII, etc) ...

Without going into his politics...

Further, history class is not supposed to teach politics (conservative OR liberal), it is supposed to teach events....


QFT. History is just that; The man helped lead us through WWII, and deserves kudos for that. Yeah, his politics sucked. But, much of the worst of it was never enacted as Dave said.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:16:09 AM EST
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Assault-Rifle-City:
And this is NOWHERE to be found in textbooks in public schools. Awesome.

Really really don't like FDR anymore.

Why would it be? It was never enacted...

Public school history class is a basic overview, they have enough trouble keeping heads off desks, and eyes front teaching when Roosevelt was President, and what was happening (Depression, WWII, etc) ...

Without going into his politics...

Further, history class is not supposed to teach politics (conservative OR liberal), it is supposed to teach events....


QFT. History is just that; The man helped lead us through WWII, and deserves kudos for that. Yeah, his politics sucked. But, much of the worst of it was never enacted as Dave said.


But like someone said, history is not just about what happened and when it happened. WHY it happened is paramount. If you don't learn the WHY related to historical events, how do you keep from repeating them?

Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:17:25 AM EST
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Assault-Rifle-City:
And this is NOWHERE to be found in textbooks in public schools. Awesome.

Really really don't like FDR anymore.

Why would it be? It was never enacted...

Public school history class is a basic overview, they have enough trouble keeping heads off desks, and eyes front teaching when Roosevelt was President, and what was happening (Depression, WWII, etc) ...

Without going into his politics...

Further, history class is not supposed to teach politics (conservative OR liberal), it is supposed to teach events....


QFT. History is just that; The man helped lead us through WWII, and deserves kudos for that. Yeah, his politics sucked. But, much of the worst of it was never enacted as Dave said.


But like someone said, history is not just about what happened and when it happened. WHY it happened is paramount. If you don't learn the WHY related to historical events, how do you keep from repeating them?



There is that.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:18:16 AM EST
Originally Posted By Matthew_Q:
Originally Posted By Strykewolf:
Originally Posted By Dave_A:

Originally Posted By Assault-Rifle-City:
And this is NOWHERE to be found in textbooks in public schools. Awesome.

Really really don't like FDR anymore.

Why would it be? It was never enacted...

Public school history class is a basic overview, they have enough trouble keeping heads off desks, and eyes front teaching when Roosevelt was President, and what was happening (Depression, WWII, etc) ...

Without going into his politics...

Further, history class is not supposed to teach politics (conservative OR liberal), it is supposed to teach events....


QFT. History is just that; The man helped lead us through WWII, and deserves kudos for that. Yeah, his politics sucked. But, much of the worst of it was never enacted as Dave said.


But like someone said, history is not just about what happened and when it happened. WHY it happened is paramount. If you don't learn the WHY related to historical events, how do you keep from repeating them?

You don't.

See Johnson, Carter, Obama...
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:19:18 AM EST
As it is coming from the same fellow who signed this, I am not surprised.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:19:52 AM EST
"We tried something similar in the past, multiple times, and it never worked! It'll work this time though, we promise...."


Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:20:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By lamarbrog:

Originally Posted By InfiniteGrim:
I took AP US History this year, and the only thing my school cared to tell me about this man was he was god and saved our country. Dont you love school?

Junior?


I'm going to be a Junior next year.
I skipped AP history because it interfered with something I cared about more. The teacher turned out to be a flaming libtard, so I'm glad I didn't take it.

Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:22:38 AM EST
On the other hand, my AP US History and AP Government teacher was very conservative...

I even had several conservative history professors for some of my classes in college.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:24:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/15/2009 8:27:00 AM EST by Frost7]
Originally Posted By SparticleBrane:
"We tried something similar in the past, multiple times, and it never worked! It'll work this time though, we promise...."

It's amazing how many times this line has been used.

And it only works because the populace is, as a whole, poorly educated and ignorant.

I'm all for throwing out moral relativism and injecting moral absolutism back into schooling. The Reds are bad, you should kill them instead of listening to them. And you sure as shit shouldn't let them take over the halls of learning. They're overthrowing the country from within, and you can see evidence of it on TV every other day in the form of the President of the United Fucking States announcing a new sliver of communism being inserted into our way of life For Our Own Good.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 8:26:10 AM EST
I've said it before and I'll say it again: fuck FDR.
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 9:01:09 AM EST
good grief, roosevelt really was the inspiriation for atlas shrugged
Link Posted: 6/15/2009 9:08:05 AM EST
I want a bill of rights that says I will never feel disappointed and never get my feelings hurt.

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