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Posted: 6/16/2014 7:16:53 PM EDT
I found a Ruger sr1911 locally for $600. I don't have a 1911 and figure I'm behind the curve. So?


ETA: Took a look at one and wasn't sold on it. Checked out a Springfield range officer though and . So that'll be the one.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 7:17:40 PM EDT
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Ruger

1911

Marginal FO
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 7:18:10 PM EDT
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Ruger 1911's are fantastic for that price point.  Fo all day long.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 7:18:15 PM EDT
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HK TAC 45 instead.

Link Posted: 6/16/2014 7:19:08 PM EDT
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Marginal. I left that off the poll. Fail.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 7:19:49 PM EDT
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FNX Tac 45 inbound.
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This. But, if you only have $600.00, then FO!
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 7:21:39 PM EDT
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You are comparing a 1000+ gun to a 600 gun. And this is coming from a guy who has a USP expert sitting in front of him.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 7:23:38 PM EDT
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mine's a bunny rabbit--keeps hopping regardless of what I feed her.
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You are comparing a 1000+ gun to a 600 gun. And this is coming from a guy who has a USP expert sitting in front of him.
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You are comparing a 1000+ gun to a 600 gun. And this is coming from a guy who has a USP expert sitting in front of him.

I already ordered a FN tactical. I just don't have a 1911. We could do the HK vs FN tomorrow but I gotta figure this out first.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 7:26:51 PM EDT
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Ruger 1911? Save up and by a better 1911.
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I already ordered a FN tactical. I just don't have a 1911. We could do the HK vs FN tomorrow but I gotta figure this out first.
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You are comparing a 1000+ gun to a 600 gun. And this is coming from a guy who has a USP expert sitting in front of him.

I already ordered a FN tactical. I just don't have a 1911. We could do the HK vs FN tomorrow but I gotta figure this out first.


Well I was just assuming your budget was around the 600 mark.  HK and FN Tac model are pretty much equals, with FN getting the nod if you plan to use an optic.
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If the can wasn't in the equation, I'd just get the 1911.
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You are comparing a 1000+ gun to a 600 gun. And this is coming from a guy who has a USP expert sitting in front of him.

I already ordered a FN tactical. I just don't have a 1911. We could do the HK vs FN tomorrow but I gotta figure this out first.


Get it nao! Good price on a good 1911
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 8:18:56 PM EDT
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It won't be a carry gun. I'll take it to the range or out shooting a few times a year. I know there are better 1911s. I'm just curious of my dilemma. Would you spend $600 on this gun. I carry a G22 daily and already have the FNX headed this way. But a 1911 is like a shotgun or 10/22. I feel like everyone should own one.
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It won't be a carry gun. I'll take it to the range or out shooting a few times a year. I know there are better 1911s. I'm just curious of my dilemma. Would you spend $600 on this gun. I carry a G22 daily and already have the FNX headed this way. But a 1911 is like a shotgun or 10/22. I feel like everyone should own one.
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Ruger 1911? Save up and by a better 1911.

It won't be a carry gun. I'll take it to the range or out shooting a few times a year. I know there are better 1911s. I'm just curious of my dilemma. Would you spend $600 on this gun. I carry a G22 daily and already have the FNX headed this way. But a 1911 is like a shotgun or 10/22. I feel like everyone should own one.


In that case I say Sig scorpion, academy here in tx has/had them for $999.



Oh and the USP Tactical 45 is MUCH more sexy than the blocky FN.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 9:55:57 PM EDT
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Dammit. I came here for FO/NO FO and now I'm looking at all kinds of expensive 1911s. You are all evil.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 10:11:14 PM EDT
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I got a RIA 1911 Tactical when it was like 350 bucks.
Not a hiccup!  I'm real surprised tbh, it's pretty impressive for the pricepoint.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 10:17:43 PM EDT
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Fo. If you want a range pistol, fo for it.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 10:22:17 PM EDT
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I absolutely love my Ruger SR1911.  It is one of my "will not ever sell" firearms.
I paid WAY over $600 for mine, but I wanted it the first year that they came out, and they were not available.  I ended up paying Gander Mountain prices.

However, I do have a 2011 SR1911 that is made the same year my son was born.  I bought it for him to have one day.
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Fo. If you want a range pistol, fo for it.

I'm going to check it out in the morning. If I don't FO I'll order another suppressor to make up for it.

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I absolutely love my Ruger SR1911.  It is one of my "will not ever sell" firearms.
I paid WAY over $600 for mine, but I wanted it the first year that they came out, and they were not available.  I ended up paying Gander Mountain prices.

However, I do have a 2011 SR1911 that is made the same year my son was born.  I bought it for him to have one day.

I'm guessing once I get there I'll fall for it. Being a plastic pistol guy it'd be nice to have something different.
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What's the problem with the Ruger?
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What's the problem with the Ruger?
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What's the problem with the Ruger?

Not custom  I figure that for $600 I can't go wrong but who knows. I haven't shot enough 1911 to be versed in it.
Link Posted: 6/16/2014 10:40:58 PM EDT
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For $600 it's hard to beat a Ruger...the only issue with them is their front sight is designed badly. Odds are you'll break it off. When it happens (and it will, if you spend any appreciable amount of time with it at the range), when you send it back to Ruger, have them replace it with their fiber optic front sight. That one's a lot studier. (They'll do it under warrantee/RMA, so you shouldn't pay a dime)
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I'm going to check it out in the morning. If I don't FO I'll order another suppressor to make up for it.


I'm guessing once I get there I'll fall for it. Being a plastic pistol guy it'd be nice to have something different.
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I'm going to check it out in the morning. If I don't FO I'll order another suppressor to make up for it.

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I absolutely love my Ruger SR1911.  It is one of my "will not ever sell" firearms.
I paid WAY over $600 for mine, but I wanted it the first year that they came out, and they were not available.  I ended up paying Gander Mountain prices.

However, I do have a 2011 SR1911 that is made the same year my son was born.  I bought it for him to have one day.

I'm guessing once I get there I'll fall for it. Being a plastic pistol guy it'd be nice to have something different.



Yeah... I started off with revolvers. I got my first semi-automatic in 1994-- a Generation 2 Glock 19.  Somehow, I made it well into my 30s before every shooting a 1911 even though I was a "gun guy" all my life.  Now I have a RIA 1911 and the Ruger SR1911.  They all live together in harmony in my gun safe.

I carry my 1911, and my wife carries my Glock 19, but I enjoy shooting both of them.  You don't have to fall firmly into either camp.
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For $600 it's hard to beat a Ruger...the only issue with them is their front sight is designed badly. Odds are you'll break it off. When it happens (and it will, if you spend any appreciable amount of time with it at the range), when you send it back to Ruger, have them replace it with their fiber optic front sight. That one's a lot studier. (They'll do it under warrantee/RMA, so you shouldn't pay a dime)
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Thanks for the heads up.
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Yeah... I started off with revolvers. I got my first semi-automatic in 1994-- a Generation 2 Glock 19.  Somehow, I made it well into my 30s before every shooting a 1911 even though I was a "gun guy" all my life.  Now I have a RIA 1911 and the Ruger SR1911.  They all live together in harmony in my gun safe.

I carry my 1911, and my wife carries my Glock 19, but I enjoy shooting both of them.  You don't have to fall firmly into either camp.
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I'm going to check it out in the morning. If I don't FO I'll order another suppressor to make up for it.

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I absolutely love my Ruger SR1911.  It is one of my "will not ever sell" firearms.
I paid WAY over $600 for mine, but I wanted it the first year that they came out, and they were not available.  I ended up paying Gander Mountain prices.

However, I do have a 2011 SR1911 that is made the same year my son was born.  I bought it for him to have one day.

I'm guessing once I get there I'll fall for it. Being a plastic pistol guy it'd be nice to have something different.



Yeah... I started off with revolvers. I got my first semi-automatic in 1994-- a Generation 2 Glock 19.  Somehow, I made it well into my 30s before every shooting a 1911 even though I was a "gun guy" all my life.  Now I have a RIA 1911 and the Ruger SR1911.  They all live together in harmony in my gun safe.

I carry my 1911, and my wife carries my Glock 19, but I enjoy shooting both of them.  You don't have to fall firmly into either camp.

I'm gonna need .45 ammo now.
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For $600 it's hard to beat a Ruger...the only issue with them is their front sight is designed badly. Odds are you'll break it off. When it happens (and it will, if you spend any appreciable amount of time with it at the range), when you send it back to Ruger, have them replace it with their fiber optic front sight. That one's a lot studier. (They'll do it under warrantee/RMA, so you shouldn't pay a dime)
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I've been daily carrying mine in a Glaco Summer Comfort IWB holster and throwing it into a cheap Sentry handgun safe at home (due to having a 3 year old.)  So far, I have had no issues with the sights since 2011.

Not saying you are wrong.  I may be lucky.  My only issue has been that I've had to take a dremel polishing wheel to the hammer a couple of times to polish off a little "tarnishing" due to sweat on the side that faces my body.
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I've been daily carrying mine in a Glaco Summer Comfort IWB holster and throwing it into a cheap Sentry handgun safe at home (due to having a 3 year old.)  So far, I have had no issues with the sights since 2011.

Not saying you are wrong.  I may be lucky.  My only issue has been that I've had to take a dremel polishing wheel to the hammer a couple of time to polish off a little "tarnishing" due to sweat on the side that faces my body.
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For $600 it's hard to beat a Ruger...the only issue with them is their front sight is designed badly. Odds are you'll break it off. When it happens (and it will, if you spend any appreciable amount of time with it at the range), when you send it back to Ruger, have them replace it with their fiber optic front sight. That one's a lot studier. (They'll do it under warrantee/RMA, so you shouldn't pay a dime)



I've been daily carrying mine in a Glaco Summer Comfort IWB holster and throwing it into a cheap Sentry handgun safe at home (due to having a 3 year old.)  So far, I have had no issues with the sights since 2011.

Not saying you are wrong.  I may be lucky.  My only issue has been that I've had to take a dremel polishing wheel to the hammer a couple of time to polish off a little "tarnishing" due to sweat on the side that faces my body.

Sounds like you should break it and send it in for a free upgrade.
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For $600 it's hard to beat a Ruger...the only issue with them is their front sight is designed badly. Odds are you'll break it off. When it happens (and it will, if you spend any appreciable amount of time with it at the range), when you send it back to Ruger, have them replace it with their fiber optic front sight. That one's a lot studier. (They'll do it under warrantee/RMA, so you shouldn't pay a dime)



I've been daily carrying mine in a Glaco Summer Comfort IWB holster and throwing it into a cheap Sentry handgun safe at home (due to having a 3 year old.)  So far, I have had no issues with the sights since 2011.

Not saying you are wrong.  I may be lucky.  My only issue has been that I've had to take a dremel polishing wheel to the hammer a couple of time to polish off a little "tarnishing" due to sweat on the side that faces my body.

Sounds like you should break it and send it in for a free upgrade.



Don't tempt me.  They also install ambidextrous safeties on them as an option now.  They didn't do that in 2011.  I have been looking for an excuse to send mine back to get one installed.

You mentioned needing .45 Ammo now.... honestly that is the ONLY thing that nags me about my 1911s.  I am a "caliber" minimalist.   I really didn't want to stock another handgun caliber other than 9mm.  I've got a NFA M10/9mm coming in, so 9mm is my primary handgun caliber to have on hand.

At the same time, .45ACP is GREAT.
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I've been daily carrying mine in a Glaco Summer Comfort IWB holster and throwing it into a cheap Sentry handgun safe at home (due to having a 3 year old.)  So far, I have had no issues with the sights since 2011.

Not saying you are wrong.  I may be lucky.  My only issue has been that I've had to take a dremel polishing wheel to the hammer a couple of times to polish off a little "tarnishing" due to sweat on the side that faces my body.
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I've been daily carrying mine in a Glaco Summer Comfort IWB holster and throwing it into a cheap Sentry handgun safe at home (due to having a 3 year old.)  So far, I have had no issues with the sights since 2011.

Not saying you are wrong.  I may be lucky.  My only issue has been that I've had to take a dremel polishing wheel to the hammer a couple of times to polish off a little "tarnishing" due to sweat on the side that faces my body.


How much rangetime though, how many rounds?

If you look at the front sight, notice how it doesn't extend past the back of the dovetail (front is muzzle side)...basically when you shoot, because it doesn't overhang the dovetail, it soft of flexes. After a while, it flexes enough to just snap off...google "ruger 1911 front sight". Plenty of hits right on the first page...
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Don't tempt me.  They also install ambidextrous safeties on them as an option now.  They didn't do that in 2011.  I have been looking for an excuse to send mine back to get one installed.

You mentioned needing .45 Ammo now.... honestly that is the ONLY thing that nags me about my 1911s.  I am a "caliber" minimalist.   I really didn't want to stock another handgun caliber other than 9mm.  I've got a NFA M10/9mm coming in, so 9mm is my primary handgun caliber to have on hand.

At the same time, .45ACP is GREAT.
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The great thing about .45 if you reload...one case is good for 15 or more reloadings So you can buy 3-400 rounds from Walmart, and so long as you're good with collecting brass you can pretty much reload and shoot indefinitely...
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How much rangetime though, how many rounds?

If you look at the front sight, notice how it doesn't extend past the back of the dovetail (front is muzzle side)...basically when you shoot, because it doesn't overhang the dovetail, it soft of flexes. After a while, it flexes enough to just snap off...google "ruger 1911 front sight". Plenty of hits right on the first page...
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For $600 it's hard to beat a Ruger...the only issue with them is their front sight is designed badly. Odds are you'll break it off. When it happens (and it will, if you spend any appreciable amount of time with it at the range), when you send it back to Ruger, have them replace it with their fiber optic front sight. That one's a lot studier. (They'll do it under warrantee/RMA, so you shouldn't pay a dime)



I've been daily carrying mine in a Glaco Summer Comfort IWB holster and throwing it into a cheap Sentry handgun safe at home (due to having a 3 year old.)  So far, I have had no issues with the sights since 2011.

Not saying you are wrong.  I may be lucky.  My only issue has been that I've had to take a dremel polishing wheel to the hammer a couple of times to polish off a little "tarnishing" due to sweat on the side that faces my body.


How much rangetime though, how many rounds?

If you look at the front sight, notice how it doesn't extend past the back of the dovetail (front is muzzle side)...basically when you shoot, because it doesn't overhang the dovetail, it soft of flexes. After a while, it flexes enough to just snap off...google "ruger 1911 front sight". Plenty of hits right on the first page...



Yeah, I am not going to lie.  I haven't put a lot of rounds through this one.   I've put a few boxes through it here and there.  I've shot several cotton mouths with it, and an Obama/Biden sign.  I'm probably under 300 rounds on this one.

I see what you are saying.  I'm going to look into that.



The great thing about .45 if you reload...one case is good for 15 or more reloadings So you can buy 3-400 rounds from Walmart, and so long as you're good with collecting brass you can pretty much reload and shoot indefinitely...


Oh, I have brass for days. All of my group of friends have 1911s. We went in together and bought 4 55 gallon drums of range brass, sorted it, and cleaned it.  We are reloading 5.56, .308, 9mm, .40SW (we have a cop in the mix), and .45ACP.  We pool our resources, and distribute the results equally.  It really saves on getting components that ship ORM-D when we pool orders.
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Yeah, I am not going to lie.  I haven't put a lot of rounds through this one.   I've put a few boxes through it here and there.  I've shot several cotton mouths with it, and an Obama/Biden sign.  I'm probably under 300 rounds on this one.

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All the google hits indicate a) Ruger is aware of the problem but is taking a "if it ain't broke yet, don't fix it" approach, b) if/when it does break Ruger does replace it fast and for free, and c) requesting a fiber optic front sight is also generally free...so you'll be taken care of if it does break, it'll just be annoying to have to send it to Ruger and not have it for a couple weeks. That's about the only problem with it anyone's really had as near as I can tell...there are worse problems to have; if that's it, that's really not bad at all for a first attempt at a 1911.
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The great thing about .45 if you reload...one case is good for 15 or more reloadings So you can buy 3-400 rounds from Walmart, and so long as you're good with collecting brass you can pretty much reload and shoot indefinitely...
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Don't tempt me.  They also install ambidextrous safeties on them as an option now.  They didn't do that in 2011.  I have been looking for an excuse to send mine back to get one installed.

You mentioned needing .45 Ammo now.... honestly that is the ONLY thing that nags me about my 1911s.  I am a "caliber" minimalist.   I really didn't want to stock another handgun caliber other than 9mm.  I've got a NFA M10/9mm coming in, so 9mm is my primary handgun caliber to have on hand.

At the same time, .45ACP is GREAT.


The great thing about .45 if you reload...one case is good for 15 or more reloadings So you can buy 3-400 rounds from Walmart, and so long as you're good with collecting brass you can pretty much reload and shoot indefinitely...

Crap. Time for a progressive.
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I'm going to swing by another shop on the way that has a few other 1911s just to have a solid recent comparison.
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For the money, you aren't going to get more features in a better 1911.  Sure, you can spend hundreds more and get a better "name" 1911, but the Ruger is a solid 1911 for the money.  I've owned 2, and am going to pick up a commander when I find one cheap.  I doubt I will sell mine as well.
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The SR1911 is an excellent 1911. Of course, you could spend 3-4x as much for something that has to visit the manufacturer and 3 different gun smiths before it works reliably.

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Heard nothing but good things about the SR1911. They sure look nice when I've seen them in the case. Decent price, I say fo.
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I'd buy it, but I already have an colt lined up when the guy decides he wants to sell.
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You guys do realize that the .45 Auto loses all of it's awesomeness when fired out of anything other than a 1911, right?
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I'm going after a Range Officer. The sr1911 is in Keizer for any Oregon guys. $600 is a good buy on it. But my LGS said they'd get me a Springfield RO for cost.
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You guys do realize that the .45 Auto loses all of it's awesomeness when fired out of anything other than a 1911, right?
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You guys do realize that the .45 Auto loses all of it's awesomeness when fired out of anything other than a 1911, right?

It regains a whole lot of awesome when targeted through an rmr and exits through a octane 45 HD.
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I'd fo for that price, I'd rather have the Range Officer though, which is why I bought one over the Ruger.
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That's my plan. It's only $150 more and has a match barrel. The barrel would cost me $200....
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 7:04:52 PM EDT
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For the money, you aren't going to get more features in a better 1911.



These guys know what's up.
Link Posted: 6/17/2014 7:06:30 PM EDT
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Ruger 1911? Save up and by a better 1911.
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Springfield Loaded Model or Range Officer.
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