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Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:10:48 PM EDT
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Can somebody explain how you can legally ignore a subpeona? I mean, i understand not being afraid of consequences when the establishment is willing to completely ignore the law, but... whats going on? Is it just that? Im pretty sure none of us could ignore a subpoena like maricopa is doing.

I mean, im not expecting much. There's been more than enough time to obfuscate any trail of evidence by any competent blackhat.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:16:50 PM EDT
[#2]
Banana republic.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:17:45 PM EDT
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The standard Dem play is to deny and delay over and over. Make it take so long that the general public loses interest and forgets all about it. Then when someone brings it up and asks again they will roll their eyes and say we already covered that. Why can't you move on (.org)?
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:20:31 PM EDT
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If this shit doesn't illustrate the futility of voting in this country, nothing will.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:22:47 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:23:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fombyjambox:
If this shit doesn't illustrate the futility of voting in this country, nothing will.
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Next Step in to fixing it takes balls of steel and we are living too good to have those balls of steel that our founders had.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:23:33 PM EDT
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Spicy!  They've hoisted their true colors it seems.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:25:03 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 1paintball:

Why don`t you fill us in then? Knower of all things that you are. lol
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Originally Posted By 1paintball:
Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:

Do you even know what they are asking for?

Because it doesn't sound like you have a clue...

Why don`t you fill us in then? Knower of all things that you are. lol

Yes, I'm so smart that I can actually read what was posted in the thread!

They say the equipment was never connected to the network. That's only been there official policy ever since they got the equipment.

Some idiot came up with a stupid theory about some great conspiracy, so these people come in and say "we don't believe you, prove that you didn't do what you say you didn't do.  We want to dig around in all your equipment to see if we can find evidence you're lying."

That's not how any of this works.

You don't get to dig around in the equipment that operates the entire network for all the country agencies just because you don't believe them.  There are major security implications and you need to at least have some basis for suspicion to make that kind of demand even worth considering

It's like law enforcement being able to randomly walk into your house, open your safe, and dig around looking for something illegal just because they want to.

And these people aren't even law enforcement...

I'm coming to your house tomorrow, you have to let me in and spend as much time as I want looking for anything I want to look for.  If you object, you are obviously hiding something!

Sounds reasonable, right?


Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:25:12 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:28:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:29:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Snozberry:
Can somebody explain how you can legally ignore a subpeona? I mean, i understand not being afraid of consequences when the establishment is willing to completely ignore the law, but... whats going on? Is it just that? Im pretty sure none of us could ignore a subpoena like maricopa is doing.

I mean, im not expecting much. There's been more than enough time to obfuscate any trail of evidence by any competent blackhat.
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Men have been neutered and are just a shell of a human. If there were actual men left, we wouldn't have had this covid bs, there would be no economic bs, the election wouldn't be questioned. Instead we have have weak people to lead us because we are weak ourselves.

Do not give your strength to women, your ways to those who destroy kings.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:32:06 PM EDT
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If they use Imagecast Evolution machines (ICE), the audit should have been pretty fucking simple;

Step 1) Tally paper ballots
Step 2) Check ballot scan against paper ballots
Step 3) Verify digital tally against above counts
Step 4) Verify vote totals, both in-person and absentee, against total ballots recorded, and the ward poll book.
Step 5) Verify absentee request documentation for above-mentioned absentee ballots.


Does AZ use voter ID? If they do, do they have a requirement to verify that ID for absentee ballots? The mention of a whistleblower above is not terribly significant. It's likely someone that works as a programmer for one of the election service companies. Unless someone comes right out and admits to a criminal conspiracy, they aren't going to reveal much useful info. Be wary of anyone that is claiming the primary vehicle of fraud is software-related. The entire point of these machines was the ability to reconcile the digital tally with physical ballots.

Unfortunately, if false ballots were materially fabricated, as I have mentioned suspecting in previous threads, then it would be almost impossible to prove. The greatest danger with these machines is the influx of absentee ballots, and the "central count" system that some larger municipalities use.



Full disclosure; I am a municipal clerk, and our municipality utilizes a Dominion ICE voting machine.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:33:08 PM EDT
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Kick the doors in and sieze the equipment.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:39:31 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Snozberry:
Can somebody explain how you can legally ignore a subpeona? I mean, i understand not being afraid of consequences when the establishment is willing to completely ignore the law, but... whats going on? Is it just that? Im pretty sure none of us could ignore a subpoena like maricopa is doing.

I mean, im not expecting much. There's been more than enough time to obfuscate any trail of evidence by any competent blackhat.
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It's pretty much that. Until there's consequences they'll get away with it.

You literally need a judge willing to throw the county BoS into jail, and that's a tall order. The original (R) judge recused himself
over a pretty weak tangential connection, so we now had a (D) judge that has been OK but we're getting to the point where
someone needs to get hardass on them and it's not clear that will happen.

As far as the evidence, that's actually a problem for the bad guys, and why they're not compliant.

Vote records are like accounting -- you have to balance the books, and there's some unavoidable checks and balances --
voters have to be registered, ballots accounted for -- and if they can't account for everything, that's at best grossly negligent
and it gets worse from there.

In short, if there's any serious vote manipulation there's no obfuscating it away in an audit. Hence why the audit is being fought and
why they're trying to make it an incomplete audit by denying materials.

My suspicion is the voter registry stuff (which is public record with daily/weekly backups by the AZ SOS) and a very light electronic
canvassing (simply comparing registrations to addresses and flagging multiple ballots going to lots with no mailboxes etc) will be
more than enough to invalidate the election results given the narrow margins.

If I had to bet the AZSOS will try to slow walk registration historical data and that will go down in flames even with a permissive judge.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:39:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Snozberry:
Can somebody explain how you can legally ignore a subpeona? I mean, i understand not being afraid of consequences when the establishment is willing to completely ignore the law, but... whats going on? Is it just that? Im pretty sure none of us could ignore a subpoena like maricopa is doing.

I mean, im not expecting much. There's been more than enough time to obfuscate any trail of evidence by any competent blackhat.
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You think there's no appeals process for subpoenas?  You think we have an entire legal system built around due process, but subpoenas are exempt from that?
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:49:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:

You think there's no appeals process for subpoenas?  You think we have an entire legal system built around due process, but subpoenas are exempt from that?
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Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:
Originally Posted By Snozberry:
Can somebody explain how you can legally ignore a subpeona? I mean, i understand not being afraid of consequences when the establishment is willing to completely ignore the law, but... whats going on? Is it just that? Im pretty sure none of us could ignore a subpoena like maricopa is doing.

I mean, im not expecting much. There's been more than enough time to obfuscate any trail of evidence by any competent blackhat.

You think there's no appeals process for subpoenas?  You think we have an entire legal system built around due process, but subpoenas are exempt from that?

Are you saying they've done that? It sounds like they are just ignoring the subpoenas.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:51:00 PM EDT
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Time to put them in chains and lock them up until they cooperate.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 10:51:18 PM EDT
[#18]
Over the target...
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:00:18 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:

Yes, I'm so smart that I can actually read what was posted in the thread!
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PLEASE IGNORE THIS ACCOUNT

it, and another recent northern one, are the current forum sliders derailing threads and attacking the right, under the guise of  being disgruntled person on the right or conservative

but remember, opposing viewpoints are encouraged to be vocal,
because it encourages and expands forum inclusiveness, right?




(edited to improve grammar)
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:06:37 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ark_lite:
If they use Imagecast Evolution machines (ICE), the audit should have been pretty fucking simple;

Step 1) Tally paper ballots
Step 2) Check ballot scan against paper ballots
Step 3) Verify digital tally against above counts
Step 4) Verify vote totals, both in-person and absentee, against total ballots recorded, and the ward poll book.
Step 5) Verify absentee request documentation for above-mentioned absentee ballots.


Does AZ use voter ID? If they do, do they have a requirement to verify that ID for absentee ballots? The mention of a whistleblower above is not terribly significant. It's likely someone that works as a programmer for one of the election service companies. Unless someone comes right out and admits to a criminal conspiracy, they aren't going to reveal much useful info. Be wary of anyone that is claiming the primary vehicle of fraud is software-related. The entire point of these machines was the ability to reconcile the digital tally with physical ballots.

Unfortunately, if false ballots were materially fabricated, as I have mentioned suspecting in previous threads, then it would be almost impossible to prove. The greatest danger with these machines is the influx of absentee ballots, and the "central count" system that some larger municipalities use.



Full disclosure; I am a municipal clerk, and our municipality utilizes a Dominion ICE voting machine.
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if you had read the arizona hearing thread
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Arizona-audit-hearing-10AM-tomorrow-7-15/5-2469820/

you would know that it isn't as simple as you state, because maricopa has only provided ballots and from prior threads, machines that were wiped of the recent election logs
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:12:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cm:

PLEASE IGNORE THIS ACCOUNT

it, and another recent northern one, are the current forum sliders derailing threads and attacking the right, under the guise of  being disgruntled person on the right or conservative

but remember, opposing viewpoints are encouraged to be vocal,
because the more it happens, the more inclusive the forum is, right?


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Originally Posted By cm:
Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:

Yes, I'm so smart that I can actually read what was posted in the thread!
....

PLEASE IGNORE THIS ACCOUNT

it, and another recent northern one, are the current forum sliders derailing threads and attacking the right, under the guise of  being disgruntled person on the right or conservative

but remember, opposing viewpoints are encouraged to be vocal,
because the more it happens, the more inclusive the forum is, right?



I put that troll on "ignore", a long time ago.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:21:02 PM EDT
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Very unprofessional. It's like it was written by one of GD's own Never_Trumpers.

Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:21:39 PM EDT
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Very unprofessional. It's like it was written by one of GD's own Never_Trumpers.
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Well, it very well could have been.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:24:28 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:29:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kihn:

Are you saying they've done that? It sounds like they are just ignoring the subpoenas.
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Originally Posted By Kihn:
Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:
Originally Posted By Snozberry:
Can somebody explain how you can legally ignore a subpeona? I mean, i understand not being afraid of consequences when the establishment is willing to completely ignore the law, but... whats going on? Is it just that? Im pretty sure none of us could ignore a subpoena like maricopa is doing.

I mean, im not expecting much. There's been more than enough time to obfuscate any trail of evidence by any competent blackhat.

You think there's no appeals process for subpoenas?  You think we have an entire legal system built around due process, but subpoenas are exempt from that?

Are you saying they've done that? It sounds like they are just ignoring the subpoenas.

The OP's story basically said that they are objecting to the subpoena, but I went digging for more details.  This story provides more background:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5464426001

And you can read the actual letter with all the details here-- I found it interesting:

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/70435/Final-Signed-Letter-to-Senators

I'm no expert, but the way I'm understanding it the subpoena basically came from the Senate majority leader.  It's not a committee, and they couldn't get enough votes to make it a Senate action, so she's just doing whatever she has the authority to do on her own.

The county took it to court, and the judge said it's legitimate (I read that as affirming her authority to issue it) but didn't order them to comply.  So any enforcement action has to come from the Senate. Right now they can't get the votes for anything so there's not much force behind the document.

The letter is written by an attorney and reads as their objections.  But since there's no judge to make a ruling on it then it's not really going anywhere either way unless they get more votes in the Senate.  I assume if that happened then we would see it go back before a judge somewhere again.

It seems like a legal grey area, but I'm quite confident the county has their legal people advising them every step along the way, so the idea that they are doing something illegal seems a bit far fetched.

But people with political agendas have never had any interest in the nuances and details of this stuff so I doubt that it will matter to anybody in MAGA World.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:32:41 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Kihn:

Are you saying they've done that? It sounds like they are just ignoring the subpoenas.
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The troll is an idiot. The "appeal" to a subpoena is the argument your attorney makes on your behalf at the show-cause hearing after you're arrested for contempt for ignoring the subpoena.

This crap will continue until people like ol' Jack start being confronted by angry constituents every time he goes out in public, and gets refused service at every business owned or operated by someone who would like to see this audit completed. It's very clear he's confident that he doesn't answer to the people.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:34:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By cm:

if you had read the arizona hearing thread
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Arizona-audit-hearing-10AM-tomorrow-7-15/5-2469820/

you would know that it isn't as simple as you state, because maricopa has only provided ballots and from prior threads, machines that were wiped of the recent election logs
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Originally Posted By cm:
Originally Posted By ark_lite:
If they use Imagecast Evolution machines (ICE), the audit should have been pretty fucking simple;

Step 1) Tally paper ballots
Step 2) Check ballot scan against paper ballots
Step 3) Verify digital tally against above counts
Step 4) Verify vote totals, both in-person and absentee, against total ballots recorded, and the ward poll book.
Step 5) Verify absentee request documentation for above-mentioned absentee ballots.


Does AZ use voter ID? If they do, do they have a requirement to verify that ID for absentee ballots? The mention of a whistleblower above is not terribly significant. It's likely someone that works as a programmer for one of the election service companies. Unless someone comes right out and admits to a criminal conspiracy, they aren't going to reveal much useful info. Be wary of anyone that is claiming the primary vehicle of fraud is software-related. The entire point of these machines was the ability to reconcile the digital tally with physical ballots.

Unfortunately, if false ballots were materially fabricated, as I have mentioned suspecting in previous threads, then it would be almost impossible to prove. The greatest danger with these machines is the influx of absentee ballots, and the "central count" system that some larger municipalities use.



Full disclosure; I am a municipal clerk, and our municipality utilizes a Dominion ICE voting machine.

if you had read the arizona hearing thread
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/Arizona-audit-hearing-10AM-tomorrow-7-15/5-2469820/

you would know that it isn't as simple as you state, because maricopa has only provided ballots and from prior threads, machines that were wiped of the recent election logs



I did read that part, but it doesn't make much sense as presented. The individual ICE logs can be wiped with tech or administrator access, but the election programming cards aren't supposed to be wiped until two years after the election. The cards are removed when you "close" the poll for the final time, and the data is supposed to be incapable of being edited at that point. They are then retained at the County level for 24 months after the election, and then returned to the election servicing company that will wipe and re-use the cards. Our machine
itself gets wiped once a year, during annual maintenance.



It is exactly as simple as I stated. The County Clerk, and by extension the Board, are fucking around. Some of their apprehension is likely due to a desire to cover up incompetence, and I suspect some is a suspicion that fraudulent practices took place.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:37:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Gunner226:


The troll is an idiot. The "appeal" to a subpoena is the argument your attorney makes on your behalf at the show-cause hearing after you're arrested for contempt for ignoring the subpoena.

This crap will continue until people like ol' Jack start being confronted by angry constituents every time he goes out in public, and gets refused service at every business owned or operated by someone who would like to see this audit completed. It's very clear he's confident that he doesn't answer to the people.
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That.  Definitely that.

Or...

Maybe he just takes his responsibilities as a government official seriously and isn't operating based on political partisanship but is just doing his job right.

But probably most likely your version...  Let's go with that.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:48:08 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By 9mmmac:



This is for a Dell server.  Of what importance is it supposed to be?
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Originally Posted By 9mmmac:



This is for a Dell server.  Of what importance is it supposed to be?


Came to say the exact same thing; that really tells you nothing beyond what you can find on the web to update Dell servers firmware/BIOS/iDRAC etc.

ETA: Second "screenshot" is a little more legible is basically just a generic config guide that tells you nothing about this specific system or it's purpose.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:53:39 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By ACEB36TC:
I'm beginning to think the people involved in cheating this election season have no idea what it's going to be like living in a world full of pissed off zombies. By cancelling a mans vote you make him less than a citizen. If I can't be a citizen because someone stole my vote then I'm good with being a pissed off zombie.
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Oh they know.
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:56:44 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:

Yes, I'm so smart that I can actually read what was posted in the thread!

They say the equipment was never connected to the network. That's only been there official policy ever since they got the equipment.

Some idiot came up with a stupid theory about some great conspiracy, so these people come in and say "we don't believe you, prove that you didn't do what you say you didn't do.  We want to dig around in all your equipment to see if we can find evidence you're lying."

That's not how any of this works.

You don't get to dig around in the equipment that operates the entire network for all the country agencies just because you don't believe them.  There are major security implications and you need to at least have some basis for suspicion to make that kind of demand even worth considering

It's like law enforcement being able to randomly walk into your house, open your safe, and dig around looking for something illegal just because they want to.

And these people aren't even law enforcement...

I'm coming to your house tomorrow, you have to let me in and spend as much time as I want looking for anything I want to look for.  If you object, you are obviously hiding something!

Sounds reasonable, right?


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Except my safe and house arent owned by the fucking public.....
Link Posted: 8/2/2021 11:59:16 PM EDT
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If Sheriff Joe were still running the office, arrests would have already started!

Penzone is a Useful Idiot, a total tool of the Dems. 🤬
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:02:42 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:03:17 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By seek2:


The audit literally can't prove that. The audit can only prove the election was tampered with and invalid.

Because ballots are secret there's no way to remove the "bad" ballots to get an accurate, legitimate vote count from the remaining ballots that would show the real winner.

But they can prove the vote was tampered with to a degree to call the entire election into question.
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:
This is just theatre now.  The audit will prove Trump won AZ.


The audit literally can't prove that. The audit can only prove the election was tampered with and invalid.

Because ballots are secret there's no way to remove the "bad" ballots to get an accurate, legitimate vote count from the remaining ballots that would show the real winner.

But they can prove the vote was tampered with to a degree to call the entire election into question.


No necessarily true. Duplicate ballots are supposed to have matching numbers written on both the original and duplicate. There was issues with that.
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:05:35 AM EDT
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Sadly, those NOT in AZ will see how bad AZ has gotten with this.  AZ (for better or worse) has always been more purple than anything *but for the most part leaning conservative.   The election prior everyone knew something was up.  I always said that Sheriff Joe and *then* gov Brewer were the last 2 holding the wall up before AZ fell into conservative hands.  Duecy was an ok republican governor when he went into office but then it was quickly shown how he just doesn't want to make a decision on anything unless it involves making him (or his wife) money.
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:09:41 AM EDT
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This is good to know.  If you receive a sobpoena from a court in Maricopa County you do not have to comply.
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Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:


The OP's story basically said that they are objecting to the subpoena, but I went digging for more details.  This story provides more background:

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5464426001

And you can read the actual letter with all the details here-- I found it interesting:

https://www.maricopa.gov/DocumentCenter/View/70435/Final-Signed-Letter-to-Senators

I'm no expert, but the way I'm understanding it the subpoena basically came from the Senate majority leader.  It's not a committee, and they couldn't get enough votes to make it a Senate action, so she's just doing whatever she has the authority to do on her own.

The county took it to court, and the judge said it's legitimate (I read that as affirming her authority to issue it) but didn't order them to comply.  So any enforcement action has to come from the Senate. Right now they can't get the votes for anything so there's not much force behind the document.

The letter is written by an attorney and reads as their objections.  But since there's no judge to make a ruling on it then it's not really going anywhere either way unless they get more votes in the Senate.  I assume if that happened then we would see it go back before a judge somewhere again.

It seems like a legal grey area, but I'm quite confident the county has their legal people advising them every step along the way, so the idea that they are doing something illegal seems a bit far fetched.

But people with political agendas have never had any interest in the nuances and details of this stuff so I doubt that it will matter to anybody in MAGA World.
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This is correct. A subpoena is enforced by the entity that issued it, so the AZ Senate would have to vote to hold Maricopa in contempt. But Fann seems not to have the votes to do that, and Maricopa knows it.

This isn't unique to AZ. Trump staffers ignored US House subpoenas and were never held in contempt for a similar I reason--the US House didn't have the appetite to vote them in contempt.
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:11:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Elcunning:

This is good to know.  If you receive a sobpoena from a court in Maricopa County you do not have to comply.
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If you got a subpoena from a court and you ignore it the judge in that court can hold you in contempt. It's the AZ Senate that isn't bothering to enforce its own subpoena in this case, not a court.
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:15:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bassmaster27:

Except my safe and house arent owned by the fucking public.....
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Originally Posted By Bassmaster27:
Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:

Yes, I'm so smart that I can actually read what was posted in the thread!

They say the equipment was never connected to the network. That's only been there official policy ever since they got the equipment.

Some idiot came up with a stupid theory about some great conspiracy, so these people come in and say "we don't believe you, prove that you didn't do what you say you didn't do.  We want to dig around in all your equipment to see if we can find evidence you're lying."

That's not how any of this works.

You don't get to dig around in the equipment that operates the entire network for all the country agencies just because you don't believe them.  There are major security implications and you need to at least have some basis for suspicion to make that kind of demand even worth considering

It's like law enforcement being able to randomly walk into your house, open your safe, and dig around looking for something illegal just because they want to.

And these people aren't even law enforcement...

I'm coming to your house tomorrow, you have to let me in and spend as much time as I want looking for anything I want to look for.  If you object, you are obviously hiding something!

Sounds reasonable, right?



Except my safe and house arent owned by the fucking public.....

So any citizen who thinks something fishy is happening should be able to go on a fishing expedition through government IT equipment whenever they want?  They help pay for it and the salaries of the people who maintain it, so why not?
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:17:14 AM EDT
[#40]
Please stop this fuckery.
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:20:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416:


This is correct. A subpoena is enforced by the entity that issued it, so the AZ Senate would have to vote to hold Maricopa in contempt. But Fann seems not to have the votes to do that, and Maricopa knows it.

This isn't unique to AZ. Trump staffers ignored US House subpoenas and were never held in contempt for a stinker I reason--the US House didn't have the appetite to vote them in contempt.
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That's a good point, the shoe has been on the other foot not that long ago and I didn't hear anybody in MAGA World getting upset when a bunch of Trump people ignored subpoenas coming from Congress during the various supposed witch hunts.  At least one of them actually went to court and only recently did McGahn finally comply and verify that a bunch of the stories about his part of the mess were true.  But it took a long time and a bunch of legal back and forth before that happened, and by that point the entire political world had moved on.
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Originally Posted By PolarBear416:


If you got a subpoena from a court and you ignore it the judge in that court can hold you in contempt. It's the AZ Senate that isn't bothering to enforce its own subpoena in this case, not a court.
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Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:

So any citizen who thinks something fishy is happening should be able to go on a fishing expedition through government IT equipment whenever they want?  They help pay for it and the salaries of the people who maintain it, so why not?
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Why do you guys come into every political thread and blow shit all over the place like you own it? How about go make your own DU thread for the fucktards to shit all over and leave these threads for real conservative Americans who actually care about this country.......
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:22:14 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Jinxsters:


Next Step in to fixing it takes balls of steel and we are living too good to have those balls of steel that our founders had.
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Originally Posted By fombyjambox:
If this shit doesn't illustrate the futility of voting in this country, nothing will.


Next Step in to fixing it takes balls of steel and we are living too good to have those balls of steel that our founders had.


This is the problem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

The Police - Every Breath You Take
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:29:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By retroangles:
When all is said and done!

We can all go out for a delicious Nothing Burger!


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Can we add bacon?
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:30:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bc5000:


Very unprofessional. It's like it was written by one of GD's own Never_Trumpers.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/400935/Screenshot_20210802-204602_WhatsApp_jpg-2037723.JPG
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Originally Posted By bc5000:


Very unprofessional. It's like it was written by one of GD's own Never_Trumpers.

https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/400935/Screenshot_20210802-204602_WhatsApp_jpg-2037723.JPG


No way, GD has much better gaslighters, trolls, algorythms, and shills, nothing but the best for the biggest/most influential firearms web site on the internet.
Link Posted: 8/3/2021 12:32:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mikesmith13807:

Yes, I'm so smart that I can actually read what was posted in the thread!

They say the equipment was never connected to the network. That's only been there official policy ever since they got the equipment.

Some idiot came up with a stupid theory about some great conspiracy, so these people come in and say "we don't believe you, prove that you didn't do what you say you didn't do.  We want to dig around in all your equipment to see if we can find evidence you're lying."

That's not how any of this works.

You don't get to dig around in the equipment that operates the entire network for all the country agencies just because you don't believe them.  There are major security implications and you need to at least have some basis for suspicion to make that kind of demand even worth considering

It's like law enforcement being able to randomly walk into your house, open your safe, and dig around looking for something illegal just because they want to.

And these people aren't even law enforcement...

I'm coming to your house tomorrow, you have to let me in and spend as much time as I want looking for anything I want to look for.  If you object, you are obviously hiding something!

Sounds reasonable, right?


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Why the fuck are the vote machines (owned by a private company no less) connected into the network in the first place? Why is there only one network for all county agencies? Why are all the passwords the same fucking password? Why was the history of the devices on the network purposefully flooded with requests?
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The same fucking gray bars in the same kind of thread, every fucking time.

It seems the left is now down to it's third string. Maybe tenth. Their presence here devalues this site. I hate them deeply.
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Originally Posted By Gunner226:


The troll is an idiot. The "appeal" to a subpoena is the argument your attorney makes on your behalf at the show-cause hearing after you're arrested for contempt for ignoring the subpoena.

This crap will continue until people like ol' Jack start being confronted by angry constituents every time he goes out in public, and gets refused service at every business owned or operated by someone who would like to see this audit completed. It's very clear he's confident that he doesn't answer to the people.
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Originally Posted By Kihn:

Are you saying they've done that? It sounds like they are just ignoring the subpoenas.


The troll is an idiot. The "appeal" to a subpoena is the argument your attorney makes on your behalf at the show-cause hearing after you're arrested for contempt for ignoring the subpoena.

This crap will continue until people like ol' Jack start being confronted by angry constituents every time he goes out in public, and gets refused service at every business owned or operated by someone who would like to see this audit completed. It's very clear he's confident that he doesn't answer to the people.


you're describing an act of "terrorism and insurgency".

You can't make a public official intimidated, afraid, or even inconvenienced to effect political change.



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Most.  Secure.  Ever.
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Originally Posted By memsu:
Start throwing people in jail.

Charge them with felonies.

Fuck them
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Treason has worse consequences
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