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Posted: 10/8/2004 2:50:12 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2004 2:50:12 AM EST by Hawkeye]
AWB Question; Will my converted post ban AR be legal if new ban is passed? Hate to put this possibility out there, but just had to ask!
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:29:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/7/2004 10:29:59 PM EST by chrome1]

Originally Posted By MurdochsM4:
AWB Question; Will my converted post ban AR be legal if new ban is passed? Hate to put this possibility out there, but just had to ask!



Not if the gun grabbers have their way . Your job is to vote for those that
respect the constitution , so that you never see that day .
Link Posted: 10/7/2004 10:33:05 PM EST
WTF?!?

thats like saying should i have my abortion now, or should I wait 'till somebody else decides for me.....

i.e waaaayyyy to personal to let someone else to decide: stand up for what you believe in man!

i.e. v.2 VOTE!

Link Posted: 10/7/2004 11:32:02 PM EST
One way to prevent this is NOT to vote for Kerry and his pipsqueak...

Link Posted: 10/8/2004 12:49:37 AM EST
If the gun grabbers get their way, NO AR regardless of configuration will be legal.
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 2:41:35 AM EST
The simple, if sorta incomplete answer, is that the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES provides that there shall be no retroactive laws passed.

That is why when the first ban was passed that we had 2 classes of weapons, you cannot outlaw that which was already legal at the time that it was made. Go figure that the best and brightest legal minds worked up the first ban. If there was a CONSTITUTIONALLY legal way that they could have gotten rid of all 'Assault Weapons" during the first ban, don't you think that they would have done it?

Hence, if another ban is passed, there will again be 3 classes of weapons, Pre ban, NO BAN but unmodified, and Post 2nd ban. There will be, naturally, a provision that if a weapon was not modified up to NO BAN standards during the no ban time frame, that it cannot then be updated AFTER the passage of a SECOND BAN.

Short answer, modify it now, and they can never take it from you unless they outlaw the gun completely.

Link Posted: 10/8/2004 2:57:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 3:43:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2004 6:30:21 AM EST by ANGST]

Originally Posted By Banzai:
The simple, if sorta incomplete answer, is that the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES provides that there shall be no retroactive laws passed.

That is why when the first ban was passed that we had 2 classes of weapons, you cannot outlaw that which was already legal at the time that it was made. Go figure that the best and brightest legal minds worked up the first ban. If there was a CONSTITUTIONALLY legal way that they could have gotten rid of all 'Assault Weapons" during the first ban, don't you think that they would have done it?

Hence, if another ban is passed, there will again be 3 classes of weapons, Pre ban, NO BAN but unmodified, and Post 2nd ban. There will be, naturally, a provision that if a weapon was not modified up to NO BAN standards during the no ban time frame, that it cannot then be updated AFTER the passage of a SECOND BAN.

Short answer, modify it now, and they can never take it from you unless they outlaw the gun completely.





Uh no, thats not what ex-post defacto means.

Basically you cannot pass a law that makes someone a criminal for something they did before the law was passed.


Like you cannot change the speed limit to 40 MPH then ticket everyone who did 55MPH yesterday.

You could pass a law saying that posession of an "Assault weapon" is illegal and if you have one starting at a certain date you will be in violation and make everyone turn them in or destroy them, ect....

You could not pass a law saying assault weapons are illegal starting in 2005 then arrest anyone who had one in 2004.



ETA : and yes, AGNTSA !!


www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=6&t=278825

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=200772

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=200660
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 3:50:42 AM EST
Nobody knows what the next AWB will consist of .
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 3:53:38 AM EST
The "new ban" might require that all rifles be painted pink, to make them look less scary.

Or, the "new ban" might require that all rifles have 73.5" barrels.

There's no point in assuming anything.
Link Posted: 10/8/2004 4:43:29 AM EST

Originally Posted By ANGST:

Originally Posted By Banzai:
The simple, if sorta incomplete answer, is that the CONSTITUTION of the UNITED STATES provides that there shall be no retroactive laws passed.

That is why when the first ban was passed that we had 2 classes of weapons, you cannot outlaw that which was already legal at the time that it was made. Go figure that the best and brightest legal minds worked up the first ban. If there was a CONSTITUTIONALLY legal way that they could have gotten rid of all 'Assault Weapons" during the first ban, don't you think that they would have done it?

Hence, if another ban is passed, there will again be 3 classes of weapons, Pre ban, NO BAN but unmodified, and Post 2nd ban. There will be, naturally, a provision that if a weapon was not modified up to NO BAN standards during the no ban time frame, that it cannot then be updated AFTER the passage of a SECOND BAN.

Short answer, modify it now, and they can never take it from you unless they outlaw the gun completely.





Uh no, thats not what ex-post defacto means.

Basically you cannot pass a law that makes someone a criminal for something they did before the law was passed.


Like you cannot change the speed limit to 40 MPH then ticket everyone who did 55MPH yesterday.

You could pass a law saying that posession of an "Assault weapon" is illegal and if you have one starting at a certain date you will be in violation and make everyone turn them in or destroy them, ect....

You could not pass a law saying assault weapons are illegal starting in 2005 then arrest anyone who had one in 2004.




its ex post facto and it has already happened, best example Lautenberg Ammendment, that fine gem of a misdomeanor Domestic Violence conviction will bar you from possessing a gun, it went into effect in 1997, but it barred people convicted in the 60s and before it went into effect.
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