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Posted: 8/28/2005 7:17:37 PM EDT
Drawing out my ultimate dual gun tripod in my head. Is it a violation of any "known" ATF laws to have an electronic trigger? Obviously only one round would be fired per "mouse click". Can anyone see any legal infractions with such a setup?

Take it easy one me
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:23:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:23:40 PM EDT by DK-Prof]
There are some target pistol (1-shot competition ones) that use electronic triggers, so in principle it already exists. I'm not personally aware of any laws that specifically say that the trigger (or triggring mechanism) has to be physically attached to the firearm.

So, my guess is you're okay.

Plus, they did it in Aliens, and movies don't lie, right?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:27:53 PM EDT
Very true....one step closer to alien pulse rifle...

On second thought, perhaps a cable acuated trigger such as a mountain bike brake cable
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:27:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:30:23 PM EDT by JB69]
I believe if it ONLY fired one round per 'click' you're good to go.


IF however, it repeatedly cycles, pulling the trigger numerous times, PER click, you're fooked.




How's THAT for legalese ??



ETA this is why you cannot attach an electric motor to those "Crankfire" type doodads you see for 10/22 all over the place. It's been discussed here before, with .gov links and such a while back. Was some time ago though, so a search might prove difficult, for the thread.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:28:53 PM EDT
Lest we forget about the remington 700 Etronx rifles?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:30:18 PM EDT
Doesn't (or didn't) Remington make a rifle which utilized an electronic trigger? It was a bolt action hunting gun of some sort, IIRC. Ran on a 9-volt in a special compartment via side-access panel in the buttstock.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:33:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:34:52 PM EDT by grizzlyarms]
i heard of a guy in texas that had a web site set up to shoot deer in a field by remote internet and that was legal.



what happens if you cache the clicks and release them all at once? at 600 rounds/ minute.


since you still clicked the mouse 600 times is it still OK?




i don't know what your up to ggllggll but it sounds cool.


-griz
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:35:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:38:14 PM EDT by otar]
I think there was a web site (in TX?) that was setting up a on line hunt service using live video feed and rc servo's.


edit:www.live-shot.com/
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:41:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:44:09 PM EDT by Green95LX]

Originally Posted By Lapp_Dance:
Doesn't (or didn't) Remington make a rifle which utilized an electronic trigger? It was a bolt action hunting gun of some sort, IIRC. Ran on a 9-volt in a special compartment via side-access panel in the buttstock.



Originally Posted By Green95LX:
Lest we forget about the Remington 700 Etronx rifles?

It used special ammo though, with a primer designed to be ignited by an electrical signal. all that would take in a normal rifle is a solinoid put into the FCG to take the place of the normal trigger action
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:44:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By otar:
I think there was a web site (in TX?) that was setting up a on line hunt service using live video feed and rc servo's.


edit:www.live-shot.com/



That has since been made illegal by our legislature.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:47:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Andy2:

Originally Posted By otar:
I think there was a web site (in TX?) that was setting up a on line hunt service using live video feed and rc servo's.


edit:www.live-shot.com/



That has since been made illegal by our legislature.



That figures.
I was playing round with the idea of doing a online hog hunt.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:51:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 7:53:45 PM EDT by Tango7]
One shot per click? OK per ATFE


Auto-repeat? Verboten. There's an FAQ about the minigun v. gatling, as to why the Gatling is legal but the mini's a DD.

ETA - found it. The ref. to Brady is kinda quaint, dontcha think?


January 5, 1997

Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms
Technology Branch
Washington, DC 20226

Dear Sir:

I am writing to inquire what the status of Gatling Guns are, with
regard to the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Gun Control Act
of 1968.

Would a Gatling Gun manufactured today be classified as an NFA
firearm? If not, what are the distinguishing characteristics that
separate a Gatling Gun from its modern offspring, the Mini Gun?
Would a Gatling Gun using a motor to assist firing the weapon at an
adjustable rate be viewed any different as one without a motor?

Also, what type of ammunition feeding device would be acceptable on
a modern Gatling Gun reproduction? Magazine, links or belt,
attached feeding device?

Thank you very much for any information you could provide.

Sincerely,

----------------------

DEPARTMENT OF THE TREASURY
BUREAU OF ALCOHOL, TOBACCO AND FIREARMS
WASHINGTON, DC 20226

E:CE:FT:GKD
3311

JAN 28 1997

Dear Mr. :

This refers to your letter of January 5, 1997, requesting
information on the status of Gatling guns under the Gun Control Act
(GCA) of 1968 and/or the National Firearms Act (NFA).

Generally, a Gatling type hand crank operated firearm, having a
bore diameter of 1/2-inch or less, as produced under the patents of
1862-1893, employing a cam action to accomplish the functions of
repeat cocking, firing, and ejecting, in a caliber for which
ammunition is commercially available, and manufactured after 1898,
would be classified as a "firearm" as defined in Title 18 United
States Code (U.S.C.), Chapter 44, section 921(a)(3), Title I of the
GCA.

A Gatling gun as described in the preceding paragraph and using an
electric motor to fire the weapon instead of hand cranking, would
be classified as a "firearm" and a "machinegun" as defined in Title
26 U.S.C., Chapter 53, section 5845(b), the NFA.

Electrically driven machineguns such as the M-134 Minigun are
firearms and machineguns subject to the provisions of the NFA.
Frames or receivers of such weapons are also machineguns regardless
of whether or not other components are present.


With reference to acceptable ammunition feeding device(s) for a
Gatling type gun, 18 U.S.C., Chapter 44, section 921(a)(31) defines
the term "large capacity ammunition feeding device" as;

-2-

(A)... a magazine, belt, drum, feed strip, or similar device
manufactured after the date of enactment of the Violent Crime
Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 that has a capacity of, or
that can be readily restored or converted to accept, more than 10
rounds of ammunition; but

(B) does not include an attached tubular device designed to
accept, and capable of operating only with .22 caliber rimfire
ammunition." The date of enactment of the Violent Crime Control
and Law Enforcement Act of 1994 referred to above is September 13,
1994.

Further, Title 18 U.S.C., Chapter 44, section 922(w)(1) provides
that "Except as provided in paragraph (2), it shall be unlawful for
a person to transfer or possess a large capacity ammunition feeding
device" and "(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to the possession or
transfer of any large capacity ammunition feeding device otherwise
lawfully possessed on or before the date of the enactment of this
subsection."

Based on the above provisions, it would not be legal for you to
manufacture any ammunition feeding device that fell within the
above definition. You would be limited to manufacturing any type
device that had a capacity of ten rounds or less.

We have previously determined that hopper type feed mechanisms as
used on certain original gatling guns or feed chutes such as the
Bruce feed mechanism are not restricted under Section 922(w)(1).

We trust that the foregoing has been responsive to your inquiry.
If we can be of any further assistance, please contact us.

Sincerely yours,

<signed>

Edward M. Owen, Jr.
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch

Link Posted: 8/28/2005 8:11:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 8:13:33 PM EDT by jason99xj]
edit: a tripod? nevermind
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