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Posted: 8/26/2004 8:56:39 AM EST
A friend mentioned that the ATF is supporting the sunset, claiming that the law hasn't been effective and they have prosecuted virtually no cases under it.

He said that he heard about it on AR15.com and someone actually posted a letter/link/etc. supporting this.

Can anyone help me out and verify the ATF's position on this?

TIA,

Corey

PS If there's an actual letter on ATF letterhead, I'd love to see it.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:02:46 AM EST
The ATF's position is moot.

They enforce laws, they don't make or repeal them. When the AWB goes away they will be able to devote more resources to higher priorities, like tracking down Snuffy Smith's still.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:14:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By Brohawk:
The ATF's position is moot.

They enforce laws, they don't make or repeal them. When the AWB goes away they will be able to devote more resources to higher priorities, like tracking down Snuffy Smith's still.



Perhaps someone should tell them that.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:18:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 9:19:32 AM EST by Alien]

Originally Posted By Corey:
A friend mentioned that the ATF is supporting the sunset, claiming that the law hasn't been effective and they have prosecuted virtually no cases under it.

He said that he heard about it on AR15.com and someone actually posted a letter/link/etc. supporting this.

Can anyone help me out and verify the ATF's position on this?

TIA,

Corey

PS If there's an actual letter on ATF letterhead, I'd love to see it.



But all of the troll accounts keep saying they plan to enforce a law that doesn't exist anyway for weapons made between 1994 and 2004! Or that they will do some other stupid crap! What you said cannot be true!
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:20:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Brohawk:
The ATF's position is moot.

They enforce laws, they don't make or repeal them. When the AWB goes away they will be able to devote more resources to higher priorities, like tracking down Snuffy Smith's still.



I didn't ask if anyone gave a rats ass what their position was.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:21:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 9:23:08 AM EST by Kharn]
I believe he is thinking of the U of Pennsylvania report that came out recenty (July 2004 pub. date) that stated it had no real effect on crime, as criminals mearly substituted other semiautos.

Here's a link to the document itself:
Document in question

Kharn
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:23:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 9:25:35 AM EST by arowneragain]

Originally Posted By Corey:

Originally Posted By Brohawk:
The ATF's position is moot.

They enforce laws, they don't make or repeal them. When the AWB goes away they will be able to devote more resources to higher priorities, like tracking down Snuffy Smith's still.



I didn't ask if anyone gave a rats ass what their position was.



But he's right.....NOBODY should care in the least what the ATF's position here is. Not even you.

Edit: but I'll have to say you have a classy sigline there.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:44:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 9:46:14 AM EST by ANGST]
Once the law is sunset the ATF will not be able to enforce it.


Therefore the ATFs position on it will have to be that its not there, because , well.... it's not there.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:44:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
But he's right.....NOBODY should care in the least what the ATF's position here is. Not even you.



I'd didn't ask if you had sex with a dead person.

Now will someone answer the friggin question?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:51:56 AM EST

Originally Posted By Corey:
He said that he heard about it on AR15.com and someone actually posted a letter/link/etc. supporting this.




I actually remember hearing that here too but can't even come close to remembering from whom or what a link may be. I do know it's true though, heard it on the net and such....
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:55:28 AM EST
what the hell are assault pistols?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:55:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:56:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By Corey:

Originally Posted By arowneragain:
But he's right.....NOBODY should care in the least what the ATF's position here is. Not even you.



I'd didn't ask if you had sex with a dead person.




"You should"
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 9:56:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By Corey:
A friend mentioned that the ATF is supporting the sunset



I hope your friend is right. I know a lot of people who have been waiting over 70 years for the Bureau of ALCOHOL, tobacco and firarms to support the 21st Ammendment...........and they are getting THIRSTY!! I think they are being a little paranoid but as they say........... "Better safe than sorry".
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 10:00:52 AM EST

Originally Posted By rickinvegas:

Originally Posted By Corey:
A friend mentioned that the ATF is supporting the sunset



I hope your friend is right. I know a lot of people who have been waiting over 70 years for the Bureau of ALCOHOL, tobacco and firarms to support the 21st Ammendment...........and they are getting THIRSTY!! I think they are being a little paranoid but as they say........... "Better safe than sorry".



Yes, but at what exact day and time did the 21st take effect? Was it different for different time zones?

As of 13 September, there will be no law for the BATFE to enforce. None.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 10:31:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 10:33:14 AM EST by rickinvegas]

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Yes, but at what exact day and time did the 21st take effect? Was it different for different time zones?



Considering that the 18th ammendment was in effect during 4 leap years (1920, 24, 28, 31) that includes all years evenly divisible by 4, with the exception of centurial years that are not evenly divisible by 400 AND a National League team won the World Series in both the year of ratification and repeal......................It was safe to convert your near beer at 10:53:42 on December 5, 1933 except in Utah where it won't take effect until the year 2058.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 11:11:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By rickinvegas:

Originally Posted By PAEBR332:
Yes, but at what exact day and time did the 21st take effect? Was it different for different time zones?



Considering that the 18th ammendment was in effect during 4 leap years (1920, 24, 28, 31) that includes all years evenly divisible by 4, with the exception of centurial years that are not evenly divisible by 400 AND a National League team won the World Series in both the year of ratification and repeal......................It was safe to convert your near beer at 10:53:42 on December 5, 1933 except in Utah where it won't take effect until the year 2058.



10:53:42 AM or PM? Which time zone? And here I thought you really knew what you were talking about. Poser.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 11:16:44 AM EST
There are first hand account given by FFL's here that during "FFL training" or conferences, ATF Agents have said all is well.
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