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Posted: 7/23/2013 6:02:42 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/23/2013 6:12:59 PM EST by 223Sauce]
At least they are open to talking about it.

Point of sale tax stamp would be nice.

http://www.guns.com/2013/07/23/atf-requests-changed-to-sbr-application/

- From the article -

So now’s your chance. Let the BAFTE hear your opinions. They’re asking for them. Contact Gary Schaible, National Firearms Act Branch at Gary.Schaible@atf.gov and put in your two cents.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:06:45 PM EST
I'm open to anything that will reduce the ridiculous wait time.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:09:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bg10:
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Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:10:03 PM EST
What's the catch?
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:10:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BearArmy:
Originally Posted By bg10:
I'm open to anything that will reduce the ridiculous wait time.


Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:11:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By governmentman:
What's the catch?
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They make it easier to get more taxes I guess.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:12:11 PM EST
If not for application and wait time BS I would have SBRs and cans. I'm super lazy about that.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:12:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:13:09 PM EST
I want a 14" short barrled shotgun and a 12.5" AR
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:13:14 PM EST
While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:13:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
If your an American citizen you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter.
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FIFY
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:13:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter.
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This!!
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:13:36 PM EST
how bout we make it a nics check and cash and carry same with suppressors
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:13:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter.
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What is this "permit" you speak of?
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:13:46 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
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There's no handgun purchase permits in most states. Let's not go down that road.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:14:24 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
I want a 14" short barrled shotgun and a 12.5" AR
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Shit,you'll be lucky to have any AR or shotgun in NY.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:14:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By leatherpuke:



FIFY
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Originally Posted By leatherpuke:
Originally Posted By mike_nds:
If your an American citizen you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter.



FIFY


Agreed.

No reason for what they do to take 6 months.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:15:30 PM EST
That would rake in money if they just made it 1 form and once approved you just need to pay 200 bucks for any NFA item.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:15:51 PM EST
Should be on the spot issue. The FFL should have a book of stamps option like you're at the post office. The whole NFA process is a complete fucking joke. 6-9 months for a NICS and some paper work.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:17:24 PM EST
Cash and carry is great but what if I want to build my own?

Brad
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:17:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Timco:
If not for application and wait time BS I would have SBRs and cans. I'm super lazy about that.
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No doubt.

All my rifles would be SBR's.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:19:04 PM EST
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Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:19:58 PM EST
Change what is considered short barreled to say below 14 inches or just do away with the paper work and just collect the tax at the time of sale.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:21:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TexasRifleman1985:
While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes.
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First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation.
Hasn't gone up in price since 1934?
Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
I tell you THIS will come out.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:22:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/23/2013 6:22:44 PM EST by TexasRifleman1985]
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Originally Posted By APBullet:
Change what is considered short barreled to say below 14 inches or just do away with the paper work and just collect the tax at the time of sale.
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That would require a law to be changed. Which, unless we're getting rid of it, I'd rather not do.

Point of sale forms might not... Maybe... Kind of..

CLEO signoff is still the biggest PITA. But for trust holders, a point of sale form would be kick ass.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:22:27 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OHrazorback:
That would rake in money if they just made it 1 form and once approved you just need to pay 200 bucks for any NFA item.
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Exactly. They can get more taxes out of us this way and more frequently if it was buy it right then and take it home too.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:23:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By underdogII:


First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation.
Hasn't gone up in price since 1934?
Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
I tell you THIS will come out.
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Originally Posted By underdogII:
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman1985:
While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes.


First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation.
Hasn't gone up in price since 1934?
Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
I tell you THIS will come out.

Another good reason to buy a suppressor now
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:24:06 PM EST
I emailed him earlier today with this :
These are my ideas, which posted in a thread yesterday. If this would speed up the process by, immediate payment, trust won't need to be included because forms will be filed with previous ones. Since previous forms were accepted then that will be taken into consideration and insure an even faster approval time, like a month not eight. Forms and payment done online with a database previous users can log into and check on their old forms, pending forms and trust which can be amended online to add items as they are acquired. At anytime you can log in and see where your form is, if its been approved or needs to be corrected and a tracking number for a more precise delivery.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:24:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Swoosh101:
I want a 14" 12.5" short barrled shotgun and a 12.5" 11.5" AR
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Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:24:44 PM EST
8.5x14 is legal size vs 8.5x11 letter size. PITA.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:25:20 PM EST
anyone have an idea how to reword the "LEO sign off" for areas that don't have a friendly LEO? Maybe that could be a suggestion.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:26:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Timco:
If not for application and wait time BS I would have SBRs and cans. I'm super lazy about that.
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Same here. I might actually start buying again. Haven't bought much of anything in the past couple of years.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:26:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By bg10:
I'm open to anything that will reduce the ridiculous wait time.
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Except adjusting the fee for inflation. I can wait, I can't drop a couple thousand on a stamp.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:27:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DOBERMAN:

Another good reason to buy a suppressor now
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Originally Posted By DOBERMAN:
Originally Posted By underdogII:
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman1985:
While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes.


First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation.
Hasn't gone up in price since 1934?
Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
I tell you THIS will come out.

Another good reason to buy a suppressor now


An increase in the stamp price such as that would severely hurt the revenue collected. The government wants any tax money they can get.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:27:35 PM EST
What about cans?
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:31:30 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:


An increase in the stamp price such as that would severely hurt the revenue collected. The government wants any tax money they can get.
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Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:
Originally Posted By DOBERMAN:
Originally Posted By underdogII:
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman1985:
While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes.


First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation.
Hasn't gone up in price since 1934?
Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
I tell you THIS will come out.

Another good reason to buy a suppressor now


An increase in the stamp price such as that would severely hurt the revenue collected. The government wants any tax money they can get.


Yes and tell me when this ever deterred excess taxes.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:31:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By smithc6:
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This would apply if you Form 1 one.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:34:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By RNB32:


This would apply if you Form 1 one.
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Originally Posted By RNB32:
Originally Posted By smithc6:
What about cans?


This would apply if you Form 1 one.


As in no trusts?
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:37:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By d16man:
anyone have an idea how to reword the "LEO sign off" for areas that don't have a friendly LEO? Maybe that could be a suggestion.
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Not even an issue, in fact since the majority of applications they've received have been done using a trust. There have been rumors that they'll do away with the Chief of Police signature approval method.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:38:57 PM EST
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:39:54 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR any milspec small arms weapon wither made here or imported (mgs of course) over the counter.
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fixed
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:44:29 PM EST
Not gonna happen...

but... make purchasing a SBR or a suppressor at point of sale (brick and mortar) a NICs check and a $200.00 stamp purchase over the counter added to the sale price.

Now that does not fix the 7.5 inch "AR pistol" I have had sitting in my vault for 5 years good to go... I do not have the money for a trust and a stamp. It seems the "system" is being bottle-necked by a flood of applications anyway.

I'd love to buy a .22 suppressor over the counter with the stamp/$200.00 tax at the point of sale!
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Originally Posted By Cowboy1967:
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Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384
How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none.
So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'.
I just don't think this will go the way all you hope.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:45:21 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mike_nds:
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yup.. just pay the damn gunshop the extra $200 for the tax, and let them send it in.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:46:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By carguym14:




This!!
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Originally Posted By carguym14:
Originally Posted By mike_nds:
If you can pass a nics check and a get handgun purchase permit you should be able to buy a darn SBR over the counter.




This!!



Yep, Cans too.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:47:38 PM EST
How nice of them. We get to discuss "shall not be infringed".
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:50:38 PM EST
It would be nice if I could get my paper work back faster then it takes to make a human child, from start to finish.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:50:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By underdogII:



Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384
How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none.
So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'.
I just don't think this will go the way all you hope.
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Originally Posted By underdogII:
Originally Posted By Cowboy1967:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384
How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none.
So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'.
I just don't think this will go the way all you hope.

Inflation doesn't really tell the whole story of just how much more it was back then.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:51:32 PM EST
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Originally Posted By underdogII:



Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384
How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none.
So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'.
I just don't think this will go the way all you hope.
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Originally Posted By underdogII:
Originally Posted By Cowboy1967:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
So in 1934 a mg stamp would of cost $3384
How many stamps were sold in 34'? I bet none.
So they basically outlawed mg's in 34'.
I just don't think this will go the way all you hope.


What He is saying is that all this is Unconstitutional BS.

It should be just like it was in 1933, I can go into the general store and buy a MG just like I bought a pair of pants.
Link Posted: 7/23/2013 6:52:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By underdogII:


First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation.
Hasn't gone up in price since 1934?
Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
I tell you THIS will come out.
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Originally Posted By underdogII:
Originally Posted By TexasRifleman1985:
While this would be nice, I will point out they will ALWAYS try to fuck us with any large set of rule changes.


First thing is to index the $200 stamp to inflation.
Hasn't gone up in price since 1934?
Lets see 1934=$200 2012=$3384.92
I tell you THIS will come out.


Derp. Price is fixed by the law. Requires an act of congress to change.

Not sure how much flexibility they are going to have with this one. It all really depends on what the law requires in terms of verifying body.
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