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Posted: 8/26/2004 3:31:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/26/2004 3:32:30 PM EST by M-Forgery]
Well, I knew this would come up at some point.

Is the ATF looking at a "ruling" that will make all weapons made under the 10 year period of the ban permantly post ban weapons. That means no coversion back to a preban status and no private ownership of LEO/Military/Export marked weapons.

Could this actually be possible? How could they possibly enforce this?

Link Posted: 8/26/2004 3:35:07 PM EST
Umm... is this where I say AGNTSA?


It's NOT possible. You can't enforce something that doesn't exist, which it won't, after September.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 3:39:06 PM EST
WTF would you have then? Preban, postban and post-postban? I don't think so.

Link Posted: 8/26/2004 3:44:53 PM EST
never, it cannot happen, the law will be gone
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 6:18:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 6:19:07 PM EST by DS11M]
After September 14 it will be like the "assault weapon ban" never existed in the firts place. So there will be no question of pre, post and post-preban. Just my 02.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 7:52:28 AM EST
No part of the law states that the guns made without these features in the time period of the ban must remain without the banned features.
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 8:34:14 AM EST
total rumor, do not believe it
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 11:50:48 AM EST
BATFE has no legal authority to "Write" law (even if its called a "ruling"). All they can do is enforce existing law. After Sept 13th everything is legal (ie pre-ban)once again. Don't sweat it.
Link Posted: 9/1/2004 11:52:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/2/2004 3:17:55 AM EST
NO!
Link Posted: 9/3/2004 1:22:27 PM EST
The ATF can only rule on existing law. Without any applicable law, there's nothing to rule ON.

Therefore, after AWB sunset, no law=no rulings. Any and everything the ATF has come up with regarding the AWB becomes moot and has no legal weight AT ALL, PERIOD. All that paperwork might just as well be shredded, because it will become completely meaningless, irrelevant, and without force.

For all purposes, on September 14 it will be as if the AWB never happened, and legally, we'll be right back where we were on September 12, 1994.

And that, as they say, is that.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 10:10:48 AM EST
A few points.

1. The term and concept "post-ban" is not a legal term. It is not part of the law.

2. The term and concept "LEO Restricted" has legal meaning and is part of the law.

Therefore

1. A post-ban firearm is just a firearm. When and if the AWB expires, you can add any legal feature to it.

2. LEO Restricted items will probably be legal to own*. However, be advised that if any new ban is passed in the new few years, it is a 99% certainty than ALL "LEO Restricted" items will again be banned. Don't believe the stories that a new way to ID such items would be implemented.

Philip

* Warning I am not a lawyer, I just play one on the Internet.
PK
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 12:46:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By philipk:
A few points.
2. The term and concept "LEO Restricted" has legal meaning and is part of the law.

Therefore
2. LEO Restricted items will probably be legal to own*. However, be advised that if any new ban is passed in the new few years, it is a 99% certainty than ALL "LEO Restricted" items will again be banned. Don't believe the stories that a new way to ID such items would be implemented.



No problem, just get out your dremel tool and grind off the LEO ONLY marks.
Link Posted: 9/7/2004 12:59:49 PM EST
Where's the not this shit again picture?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 6:08:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By DS11M:
After September 14 it will be like the "assault weapon ban" never existed in the firts place. So there will be no question of pre, post and post-preban. Just my 02.

One correction: as of September 13 it will be like the "assault weapon ban" never existed in the first place. The ban expires in 3 days, 12 hours, 53 minutes.
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