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Posted: 1/26/2009 2:48:51 PM EST

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ATF Los Angeles Hosts Citizens' Academy






LOS ANGELES, Jan. 26 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ –– John A. Torres, Special Agent in Charge, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), Los Angeles Field Division announced today that the "ATF Citizens' Academy" presented by the Los Angeles Field Division is scheduled for January 28 through March 11. The academy's goal is to create a greater understanding of ATF's role in the community through education and open discussion.


"The Citizens' Academy provides local business, civic, religious and community leaders an inside look at federal law enforcement in general and ATF in particular," Torres said. "The overall goal is to build relationships and understanding between ATF and the community to further help citizens make their communities a better and safer place." The Citizens' Academy is hosted two times each year and is open to approximately 30 students per class. Students must be civic, religious or community leaders and be at least 21 years old, with no felony convictions. The class meets weekly for approximately three hours and lasts seven weeks. Some of the topics covered include:


ATF history, mission and jurisdiction
Firearms/Explosives regulations
Federal Firearms/Explosives Licensee Inspections
Violent Crime Impact Teams
Firearms safety and firearms familiarization/range day
Certified Explosive Specialist program
Explosives detection canine program
Special Response Team (SWAT) and tactical simulation exercise
Certified Fire Investigator (CFI) program
National Response Team (Arson)


The next Citizens' Academy is scheduled for Fall of 2009. For additional information, please contact the Los Angeles Field Division at (818) 265-2500. For more information about ATF and its programs visit www.atf.gov.




Link Posted: 1/26/2009 2:52:05 PM EST
I wonder if anyone would be brave enough to wear a "Waco" or "Ruby Ridge" t-shirt to their meetings?  
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 2:54:58 PM EST
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I wonder if anyone would be brave enough to wear a "Waco" or "Ruby Ridge" t-shirt to their meetings?  


They probably cherry-pick the eligible students.  You have to be a "community leader" to be eligible to attend.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 2:55:57 PM EST
John Torres... that name sounds familiar.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 2:56:00 PM EST
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I wonder if anyone would be brave enough to wear a "Waco" or "Ruby Ridge" t-shirt to their meetings?  


I wonder what they would do if Randy Weaver signed up.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:04:54 PM EST
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I wonder if anyone would be brave enough to wear a "Waco" or "Ruby Ridge" t-shirt to their meetings?  


I wonder what they would do if Randy Weaver signed up.


...with a target on his shirt.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:06:56 PM EST
Citizens
On
Patrol
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:09:41 PM EST
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http://news.prnewswire.com/DisplayReleaseContent.aspx?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/01-26-2009/0004960727&EDATE=

ATF Los Angeles Hosts Citizens' Academy






LOS ANGELES, Jan. 26 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ –– John A. Torres, Special Agent in Charge, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), Los Angeles Field Division announced today that the "ATF Citizens' Academy" presented by the Los Angeles Field Division is scheduled for January 28 through March 11. The academy's goal is to create a greater understanding of ATF's role in the community through education and open discussion.


"The Citizens' Academy provides local business, civic, religious and community leaders an inside look at federal law enforcement in general and ATF in particular," Torres said. "The overall goal is to build relationships and understanding between ATF and the community to further help citizens make their communities a better and safer place." The Citizens' Academy is hosted two times each year and is open to approximately 30 students per class. Students must be civic, religious or community leaders and be at least 21 years old, with no felony convictions. The class meets weekly for approximately three hours and lasts seven weeks. Some of the topics covered include:


ATF history, mission and jurisdiction
Firearms/Explosives regulations
Federal Firearms/Explosives Licensee Inspections
Violent Crime Impact Teams
Firearms safety and firearms familiarization/range day
Certified Explosive Specialist program
Explosives detection canine program
Special Response Team (SWAT) and tactical simulation exercise
Certified Fire Investigator (CFI) program
National Response Team (Arson)
Basic "spying on your neighbor" classes
Identifying and reporting evil black rifles



The next Citizens' Academy is scheduled for Fall of 2009. For additional information, please contact the Los Angeles Field Division at (818) 265-2500. For more information about ATF and its programs visit www.atf.gov.







There.  Fixed it.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:10:54 PM EST
What an excellent use of resources.  
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:15:05 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:16:41 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.


this..

my sister did the citizens academy thing.  it was police academy light.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:17:35 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.


Oh, I'm sure we're all familiar with ATF propaganda.  Thanks anyway.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:17:50 PM EST
Wonder if they shot at dog silhouettes?
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:20:33 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.


You're not the boss of me.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:24:16 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.


You're not the boss of me.



Nor would I want to be
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:24:39 PM EST
I did one several years ago with the local PD. I got to go in the garage and shoot a beanbag round at a silhouette and smack a red suit guy with a stick.

ETA: OOHHH!!! And I got to hear a lady ask why they don't just shoot the guns out of the bad guys' hands like they do on TV.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:25:56 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.


Thats enough with the common sense...... This is GD, your supposed to check that at the door.




Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:26:24 PM EST
Nah,

I'll wait till they get the "Lon Horiuchi pin the .308 on the female silhouette game".





Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:28:16 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.


It's a great idea for local/state law enforcement, but how can an obscure (to most people) Fed agency that continuously contradicts itself possibly benefit anyone (including themselves) with this?

Your average 'community leader' doesn't give a crap about ATF.  I don't imagine gunowners are lining up to go.  Maybe antigun-types would go.  Are they looking to train volunteer snitches?  Or is this an employment recruiting tool?

I guess I just don't understand the purpose and given their record, forgive my suspicion...
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:30:14 PM EST
I'd wear my Molon Labe hat
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:31:27 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.


It's a great idea for local/state law enforcement, but how can an obscure (to most people) Fed agency that continuously contradicts itself possibly benefit anyone (including themselves) with this?

Your average 'community leader' doesn't give a crap about ATF.  I don't imagine gunowners are lining up to go.  Maybe antigun-types would go.  Are they looking to train volunteer snitches?  Or is this an employment recruiting tool?

I guess I just don't understand the purpose and given their record, forgive my suspicion...


Public relations is in the budget. Use it or lose it.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:35:01 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.


It's a great idea for local/state law enforcement, but how can an obscure (to most people) Fed agency that continuously contradicts itself possibly benefit anyone (including themselves) with this?

Your average 'community leader' doesn't give a crap about ATF.  I don't imagine gunowners are lining up to go.  Maybe antigun-types would go.  Are they looking to train volunteer snitches?  Or is this an employment recruiting tool?

I guess I just don't understand the purpose and given their record, forgive my suspicion...


Look at the ignorance of the ATF here.


The program will probably show how they work with local law enforcement, run the Safe Neighborhoods program, do arson and explosives investigations, etc.  Looking back over my list, it probably has more to do with the Safe Neighborhoods program and "community leaders" crying about the enhanced sentencing their "flocks" are getting in federal court.

Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:43:23 PM EST
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What an excellent use of resources.  


Actually most places consider a citizen academy a means of combating ignorance of how and why certain things are done by police agencies. A number of people here could probably benefit from such a program.


You're not the boss of me.



Nor would I want to be


The ATF does.  Many agencies do.
Just because your agency isn't run by a tin pot dictator does not mean that DCPD isn't, nor that the ATF isn't, nor that the NYPD isn't.
Many folks here need to get out a bit more, sure.  But you do too, your experience is not the norm.  There are lots of good police officers, and plenty of good agencies, but there are a few bad agencies, and many bad officers.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:45:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:48:47 PM EST
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Many folks here need to get out a bit more, sure.  But you do too, your experience is not the norm.  There are lots of good police officers, and plenty of good agencies, but there are a few bad agencies, and many bad officers.


Oh I know there are bad officers out there. I'd be a fool for thinking otherwise. However, how many people actually have expereince with the ATF and how many simpy recite 5th hand stories?

I happen to work with some great ATF agents, however my expereince with them seems to be the norm among those of us that actually interact with them.  Hell, I prefer working with our ATF guys over the people from the FBI office.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:49:48 PM EST
Will there be an update on CavArms at this shindig?
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:49:50 PM EST
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John Torres... that name sounds familiar.


He is the acting Assistant Secretary for ICE... at least they have the same name...

Whoops, my bad. John P. Torres - acting Assistant Secretary, ICE. Not John A. Torres, ATF - LA field office.
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:51:01 PM EST
"Community Leaders" = someone willing to sell out fellow citizens when the time comes to confiscate firearms.

They're also looking to justify their lnflated budgets to folks with sway over voters  in a time when there are more pressing concerns with terrorism and boarder/port security.

I'm not comfortable with a Federal Agency spreading what will no doubt be any anti-gun message on my dime. Of course, they don't call it anti-gun or anti-Second anymore it's all "common sense gun laws."



Link Posted: 1/26/2009 3:54:13 PM EST
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Many folks here need to get out a bit more, sure.  But you do too, your experience is not the norm.  There are lots of good police officers, and plenty of good agencies, but there are a few bad agencies, and many bad officers.


Oh I know there are bad officers out there. I'd be a fool for thinking otherwise. However, how many people actually have expereince with the ATF and how many simpy recite 5th hand stories?

I happen to work with some great ATF agents, however my expereince with them seems to be the norm among those of us that actually interact with them.  Hell, I prefer working with our ATF guys over the people from the FBI office.


Here?  Mostly 2nd hand stories at the worst.  CavArms?  Mr Broken AR/Machine Gun?  Atkins Accelerator (admittedly, that's messed up all around instead of just on the ATF side)?  The FAL "Operating Rod"/Charging Handle?  The ATF has Issues, and I don't think they can be resolved.  If they want to resolve them they'll start with an honest audit of the NFA registry, and admit to the 100s of judges they've told that it's "100% accurate" that it's more like whatever they come up with (75% is the best estimate I've heard, based on empirical numbers from Canada's similar registry 50% would be more likely).
Link Posted: 1/26/2009 7:53:04 PM EST
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I wonder if anyone would be brave enough to wear a "Waco" or "Ruby Ridge" t-shirt to their meetings?  


They probably cherry-pick the eligible students.  You have to be a "community leader" to be eligible to attend.


Ah, so they're trying to indoctrinate the Barack Obamas of the area.
Link Posted: 1/27/2009 1:45:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 1/27/2009 7:11:12 AM EST
It would be worth doing just for the intel. It would be interesting to see and hear what they are telling "community leaders". It sounds more than a little "elitist". I'd also like to know what they do regarding the participant's 'privacy". Do they require you to surrender all passwords, agree to "monitoring", ect ?

Like I said, if I could keep some privacy, I'd be interested in going just to learn about the people / agency that is so desperate to kill me and my family.
Link Posted: 1/27/2009 7:16:31 AM EST
"Lesson 5: Gun trash and how to snoop through your neighbor's trash cans to find it"
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