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Posted: 12/8/2013 11:43:02 AM EST
I have been toying with idea of getting a AR pistol to keep for home defence. My house is a lot of doorways and hallways. It would be tough to clear and navigate with my full size AR. I like the thought of the mobility of a pistol with the round size and capacity of an AR. Add a light and maybe a fore grip. Anyone do this? Recommend brands?
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:44:26 AM EST
Why, no, Officer. Why would we do that, sir?
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:44:46 AM EST
Fore grip would be a problem without some paperwork.


Also.... prepare for ear bleeding.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:45:02 AM EST
Foregrip makes it NFA
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:45:09 AM EST
Makes my ears bleed just thinking about it. Get a good 45ACP pistol.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:45:27 AM EST
Well, if you don't hit anything at least the muzzle blast will stun everyone in the house!
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:45:35 AM EST
Build one around this
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:45:57 AM EST
Originally Posted By Stoney0102:
I have been toying with idea of getting a AR pistol to keep for home defence. My house is a lot of doorways and hallways. It would be tough to clear and navigate with my full size AR. I like the thought of the mobility of a pistol with the round size and capacity of an AR. Add a light and maybe a fore grip. Anyone do this? Recommend brands?
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So.... um tax-stamp to go with it?

and. NO... concussion like a mofo indoors.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:46:36 AM EST
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Originally Posted By iwouldntknow:
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Use a Magpul AFG and your good to go.

Get a SIG arm brace and I think you've got a nice setup for not going the Form 1 SBR route.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:47:12 AM EST
Not without a suppressor, which gets you back to the original length of a carbine.
I use a 8" 300 blackout with YHM titanium 762 around the house.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:47:19 AM EST
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If I could afford that, I would just get my stamp.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:47:46 AM EST
AR pistols suck. Just get a stamp.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:48:04 AM EST
I keep one next to the bed. No foregrip on mine, but an AFG would be legal. Light and a micro dot with some backup sights and its good to go.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:49:01 AM EST
I use my 10.5" with AFG for the same thing.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:49:04 AM EST
They simply aren't loud enough for home defense. You should buy one and install a mini-y-comp.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:49:54 AM EST
AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:50:31 AM EST
Angled foregrip is gtg

Put on a flaming pig and direct the hate at the intruder. It will fuck your night vision like a strobelight though.

My 10.5 is my new HD gun

Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:50:44 AM EST
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AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives.
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Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:52:45 AM EST
Originally Posted By Stoney0102:
I have been toying with idea of getting a AR pistol to keep for home defence. My house is a lot of doorways and hallways. It would be tough to clear and navigate with my full size AR. I like the thought of the mobility of a pistol with the round size and capacity of an AR. Add a light and maybe a fore grip. Anyone do this? Recommend brands?
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I'd recommend something else, like a Sub2000 or a CX4... but ultimately, an AR pistol wouldn't be that bad if you stamped it and put a real stock on it.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:53:38 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Stoney0102:

If I could afford that, I would just get my stamp.
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Originally Posted By Stoney0102:

If I could afford that, I would just get my stamp.


The stamp will take close to a year to get, and with the brace you're not on an NFA list….
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:54:05 AM EST
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This plus 300 blackout + subs + pistol can = honey badger clone.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:55:22 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Danner130:
AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives.
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That would be the end goal. Build on it while I save for the stamp and wail for it.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:57:00 AM EST
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I had a 12.5 inch LMT MRP piston setup with the SIG brace and AFG. She laid next to my bed side and was ready to take the head off of any urban youth that decided to rob my place. Alas, she was lost in a tragic boating accident.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:58:04 AM EST
Nothing makes my loins pulse like the thought of lighting off unsuppressed 5.56 rounds out of a short barrel... indoors.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 11:58:48 AM EST
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Not if the overall length is greater than 26" - it isn't a pistol, just a "firearm" in the eyes of the BATF. This doable with an 10.5" - 11" barrel, IIRC.

But a 16" barrel carbine is only about 6" longer and can have a foregrip and real buttstock. And a 14.5" barrel with permanent flashhider is even shorter.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:00:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
Nothing makes my loins pulse like the thought of lighting off unsuppressed 5.56 rounds out of a short barrel... indoors.
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Meh. Auditory exclusion. I may be deaf, but at least it didn't hurt. I know that shit kicks in on me.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:02:07 PM EST
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Meh. Auditory exclusion. I may be deaf, but at least it didn't hurt. I know that shit kicks in on me.
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Originally Posted By HingleMcCringleberry:
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
Nothing makes my loins pulse like the thought of lighting off unsuppressed 5.56 rounds out of a short barrel... indoors.

Meh. Auditory exclusion. I may be deaf, but at least it didn't hurt. I know that shit kicks in on me.


I think you would be unpleasantly surprised.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:06:11 PM EST
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Anyone saying no own a pistol? The missing stock isn't even an issue at 20yds+.
In a 13x22 living room it would be no louder than a 12gauge and you don't have to pump to chamber the next 4 rounds.
You have 29 more at your fingertip.

Forced entry? Light em up.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:07:50 PM EST
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I think you would be unpleasantly surprised.
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Originally Posted By unpleasant:
Originally Posted By HingleMcCringleberry:
Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
Nothing makes my loins pulse like the thought of lighting off unsuppressed 5.56 rounds out of a short barrel... indoors.

Meh. Auditory exclusion. I may be deaf, but at least it didn't hurt. I know that shit kicks in on me.


I think you would be unpleasantly surprised.

Happened multiple times in afg. Didn't happen a couple times and it hurt. I'm already half deaf, I'll clinch my teeth and hope it kicks in if I have to shoot someone in my home.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:11:34 PM EST
I built one in 9mm for my wife for home defense. Attached a light, flaming pig, and a T-1. I set up a course of fire for her to clear with her .380 handgun (which she does practice with) and the AR pistol, which she had never touched. The AR took her half the time with half a dozen fewer misses. My only concern is reliability, but no FTF or FTE so far.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:17:00 PM EST
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:25:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By Stoney0102:
I have been toying with idea of getting a AR pistol to keep for home defence. My house is a lot of doorways and hallways. It would be tough to clear and navigate with my full size AR. I like the thought of the mobility of a pistol with the round size and capacity of an AR. Add a light and maybe a fore grip. Anyone do this? Recommend brands?
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^^^^dont do this without a tax stamp^^^^
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:28:31 PM EST
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^^^^dont do this without a tax stamp^^^^
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Originally Posted By Stoney0102:
I have been toying with idea of getting a AR pistol to keep for home defence. My house is a lot of doorways and hallways. It would be tough to clear and navigate with my full size AR. I like the thought of the mobility of a pistol with the round size and capacity of an AR. Add a light and maybe a fore grip. Anyone do this? Recommend brands?



^^^^dont do this without a tax stamp^^^^


A magpul AFG is legal
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 12:32:38 PM EST
I'm working on a 20" pencil bbl HD AR. I'm on a velocity kick lately.



Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:05:33 PM EST
if your pistol is over 26" OAL, you can have a fore grip...that usually only happens with 11.5" barrels..
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:21:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Danner130:
AR pistol is just a bad ideal all the way around. About the only thing they are good for, is holding your short barrel until the NFA stamp arrives.




I don't get the pistol hate but if you get a stamp and throw a stock its the best thing since sliced bread.

I just built this this weekend and the brace is more solid and less wobbly than a standard gi stock once I get the rounds through it to prove its reliable you better believe this is gonna be my goto hd gun. Plus we camp in bordering states occasionally and I can take it along with out the headache of the stamp issue win win in my book

Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:24:00 PM EST
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Originally Posted By gman82001:
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Go run an AR pistol against an SBR with a shot timer. Report back.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:26:49 PM EST
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Go run an AR pistol against an SBR with a shot timer. Report back.
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Originally Posted By gman82001:
I don't get the pistol hate

Go run an AR pistol against an SBR with a shot timer. Report back.


I'm not racing the clock to kill home intruders
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:27:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 1ipschoser:
Makes my ears bleed just thinking about it. Get a good 45ACP pistol.
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Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:27:41 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BUCC_Guy:
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I recently got a Keltec PLR-16 and toyed with the HD idea.
Then I shot it at an indoor range.


I'll stick with my double barrel shotgun for now.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:29:18 PM EST
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I'm not racing the clock to kill home intruders
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Originally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By gman82001:
I don't get the pistol hate

Go run an AR pistol against an SBR with a shot timer. Report back.


I'm not racing the clock to kill home intruders

An AR SBR is more useful, faster, better, and better. It's so much better I had to say it twice.

THAT is what that little shot timer proves. Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:31:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By andrasik:

An AR SBR is more useful, faster, better, and better. It's so much better I had to say it twice.

THAT is what that little shot timer proves. Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.
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Originally Posted By ToledoXJ:
Originally Posted By andrasik:
Originally Posted By gman82001:
I don't get the pistol hate

Go run an AR pistol against an SBR with a shot timer. Report back.


I'm not racing the clock to kill home intruders

An AR SBR is more useful, faster, better, and better. It's so much better I had to say it twice.

THAT is what that little shot timer proves. Don't be fatuous, Jeffrey.


I'm listening.
Does the sig brace compare to a legit stock'd SBR?
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:32:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ToledoXJ:
I'm listening.
Does the sig brace compare to a legit stock'd SBR?
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Dunno, but that'd be an interesting comparison to run.

I don't have one of the braces, nor do I know anyone with one, so I can't run it. A good test, though.

Problem is, you're almost all the way to the stamp cost at that point. Granted, the wait is killer.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:33:06 PM EST
OP, I hope you have a suppressor, and if you don't you should just practice saying "WHUT? " now.

Unless I were living in Somalia, an AR anything would be my last choice for HD.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:36:09 PM EST
Why not a bullpup? AUG or Tavor, all the goodness of a full size bbl, small overall length.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:37:00 PM EST
"WHAT?!?"
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:38:23 PM EST
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"WHAT?!?"
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I can't hear you over the "EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE­EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:42:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Ras_Thavas:
Why not a bullpup? AUG or Tavor, all the goodness of a full size bbl, small overall length.
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AUGs are expensive and the Tavor is a piece of shit.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:43:19 PM EST
I have a 9 inch 300 BLK pistol for a HD gun.

It's loaded with 110 Barnes black tips.

Eotech, AFG and a light.

I have shot it indoors and it's no louder than my 45 or 40.

If I lived in a free state, it would be a SBR.
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:43:52 PM EST
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I'm working on a 20" pencil bbl HD AR. I'm on a velocity kick lately.



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Haha I got a laugh out of that. I just use my 16" with a 30rd mag next to my bed. Or my shotgun…or my 1911. Who knows?
Link Posted: 12/8/2013 2:45:00 PM EST
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Haha I got a laugh out of that. I just use my 16" with a 30rd mag next to my bed. Or my shotgun…or my 1911. Who knows?
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I'm working on a 20" pencil bbl HD AR. I'm on a velocity kick lately.





Haha I got a laugh out of that. I just use my 16" with a 30rd mag next to my bed. Or my shotgun…or my 1911. Who knows?



55 gr at 3100 fps meets my definition of nasty.
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