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Posted: 9/23/2007 6:25:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/8/2007 1:04:36 PM EST by Ghetto]
I'm debating on a new rifle and have narrowed it down to these 2.

Pros of the AK:
Cheaper ammo
Cheaper mags
Reliability

Pros of the AR10:
More accurate
AR platform

Granted I could buy a basic AK and several thousands of rds of ammo plus tons of mags before I got close to an AR10 price wise but the AR10 hopefully would be a tack driver were as the AK would just be a toy.

So what say you?
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:27:20 AM EST
AR10 all the way. Actually buy both. I want both.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:27:48 AM EST
AR-10 would be my first choice, though remember that all collections need to have an AK. (always good to train with the weapon of the enemy)
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:28:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By DD977GM2:
AR10 all the way. Actually buy both. I want both.


+1
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:28:23 AM EST
+1 For get both
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:29:31 AM EST
I would buy the AK in 5.45 platform, cheapest on the market to shoot for the time being. The .308 AR10 would make for an expensive addition both to run and to purchase.

Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:31:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
I would buy the AK in 5.45 platform, cheapest on the market to shoot for the time being. The .308 AR10 would make for an expensive addition both to run and to purchase.



I've thought about an AK in 5.45 but how long will that ammo be around for, is it in current production by anyone? What country still uses it?
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:33:26 AM EST
I've got an AK, not an AR10.

That said, this is like asking "should I get an AK74 or an AR15?"

Get what works best for your situation and needs.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:35:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By jbombelli:
I've got an AK, not an AR10.

That said, this is like asking "should I get an AK74 or an AR15?"

Get what works best for your situation and needs.


I don't have anything that's a "long rage" rifle, that's what made me think of the AR10, I really like the .308 round and I can imagine that an AR10 with some decent glass on it would be a very accurate long range weapon.

Once again the AK would just be an open sight short range toy.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:35:15 AM EST
I'm always a .308 guy, but an AR-10 is going to be an expensive mouth to feed.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:37:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By Deflator_of_dreams:
AR-10 would be my first choice, though remember that all collections need to have an AK. (always good to train with the weapon of the enemy)


+1 If you don't have any AK going on you should get one. It's a good thing to practice with every now and again. I don't have a "high end" gun collection with the possible exception of a couple of my ARs, but I got a WASR just so I could always know how one operates and shoot some basic drills with it every so often.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:42:42 AM EST

Originally Posted By Currahee:

Originally Posted By Deflator_of_dreams:
AR-10 would be my first choice, though remember that all collections need to have an AK. (always good to train with the weapon of the enemy)


+1 If you don't have any AK going on you should get one. It's a good thing to practice with every now and again. I don't have a "high end" gun collection with the possible exception of a couple of my ARs, but I got a WASR just so I could always know how one operates and shoot some basic drills with it every so often.


I've had a WASR a few years back and sold it, also had a Saiga .223 that I sold earlier this year so the AK platform is nothing new to me.

I've also thought about a M1A
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:44:43 AM EST
You could buy 3 or 4 AKs for the price of one AR10.

Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:51:20 AM EST
I've been having the same debate with myself. In my case, I'm going to buy an AK. Later, when I decide to get a 308 rifle, I'm going to buy a SOCOM-16.

my .02
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 6:51:38 AM EST
I guess I don't really see how they are common enough to make this an either or type thing. To me it is more like AR10 or CETME or FAL.

To me, at least, the AK47 and the AR10 are entirely different weapons. If you head to head compare an AR10 will do things an AK can't do and I can't think of what an AK can do that an AR10 can't.

More range
More accurate
More efficient round

AK47 is fun to shoot makes a lot of noise and is cheaper to run. None of those though are qualities that I really look for in buying a weapon. All guns to me are fun to shoot so that is a wash.

Buying an AK47 would be more a well round collection thing that is about it.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:30:25 AM EST
Get an AK and a buncha ammo and mags.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:31:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ghetto:

Originally Posted By Currahee:

Originally Posted By Deflator_of_dreams:
AR-10 would be my first choice, though remember that all collections need to have an AK. (always good to train with the weapon of the enemy)


+1 If you don't have any AK going on you should get one. It's a good thing to practice with every now and again. I don't have a "high end" gun collection with the possible exception of a couple of my ARs, but I got a WASR just so I could always know how one operates and shoot some basic drills with it every so often.


I've had a WASR a few years back and sold it, also had a Saiga .223 that I sold earlier this year so the AK platform is nothing new to me.

I've also thought about a M1A


You're probably good then. Just offering my $0.02
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:38:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ghetto:

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
I would buy the AK in 5.45 platform, cheapest on the market to shoot for the time being. The .308 AR10 would make for an expensive addition both to run and to purchase.



I've thought about an AK in 5.45 but how long will that ammo be around for, is it in current production by anyone? What country still uses it?


Golden Tiger is selling new production in 5.45. It's great stuff in 7.62x39, read good reports of it in 5.45 too. Better'n Wolf.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:43:39 AM EST
As mentioned elsewhere on this forum, Robinson has some VEPRs in .308 and 5.45 for sale, found in the closet or some such. Not cheap at $1000, but I bet it's still less than an AR10, and it's a heckuva gun. Get the best of both worlds. I wish I'd got a .308 VEPR when they were still ~$600.

Robinson VEPRs
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:47:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Darrellbear:

Originally Posted By Ghetto:

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
I would buy the AK in 5.45 platform, cheapest on the market to shoot for the time being. The .308 AR10 would make for an expensive addition both to run and to purchase.



I've thought about an AK in 5.45 but how long will that ammo be around for, is it in current production by anyone? What country still uses it?


Golden Tiger is selling new production in 5.45. It's great stuff in 7.62x39, read good reports of it in 5.45 too. Better'n Wolf.


Sweet
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:51:47 AM EST
For what do you intend to USE it?

Blasting, car and home defense - AK
Target shooting and hunting (not that an AK is too bad in this) - AR10.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:51:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/23/2007 7:52:56 AM EST by -Duke-Nukem-]
This thread needs more cowbell.





Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:53:20 AM EST
BOTH
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:54:51 AM EST

Originally Posted By Schulze:
For what do you intend to USE it?

Blasting, car and home defense - AK
Target shooting and hunting (not that an AK is too bad in this) - AR10.


Range toy and of course SHTF purposes.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 7:55:59 AM EST
FAL
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:01:06 AM EST
AR10




leave the AKs for us.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:01:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:02:13 AM EST
AR10 or HK91. I'll take the extra weight and better accuracy any day. I've owned several AKs and got rid off them. Aren't worth a darn if you can't hit anything.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:05:24 AM EST
What's a decent FAL run price wise?
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:08:17 AM EST
$1200. But they're hard on brass.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:11:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Schulze:
$1200. But they're hard on brass.


Screw that!

I saw one on Gunbroker for $450
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:19:16 AM EST
AR-10

7.62x39 ammo is no longer cheap. .308 of similar quality is really not that much more expensive. Compare S&B or Brown Bear. You can shoot cheap ammo in a AR-10, but even with quality ammo in an AK you will only get mediocre accuracy.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:24:45 AM EST
I found DPMS 18" bull barrel flat top AR10s for $970 on GB, is that a decent deal?
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:36:42 AM EST
If it's going to be for SHTF and a range toy, get an AK. Cheap ammo, cheap mags, durable and it's not another AR platform. It's always fun to diversify the amory.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:45:54 AM EST
I've never really liked the AR10, don't know why
if I was going to get a .308 it'd be an M1A or HK91 or clone like a PTR91
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:46:08 AM EST
M14/M1A. As someone posted, part of the appeal of the 7.62x39mm guns in the past, for me, was the cheap ammo. I've had SKS's and AK's and even a 7.62x39mm AR, they were fun to mess around with, but now if you're going to have to spend that much for ammo, you might as well pick up a nicer rifle. No offense to the AK fans, to each their own. Although if you did go with an AK, I would say get one of the higher end ones, if you're debating between $1500+ or whatever AR-10's cost, then I would say consider spending the money on a high end AK.

I've had too many bad experiences with AR-10's to even consider buying one, and I absolutely love my M14.

Link Posted: 9/23/2007 8:49:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/23/2007 8:50:40 AM EST by sav_carguy]

Originally Posted By Ghetto:
I found DPMS 18" bull barrel flat top AR10s for $970 on GB, is that a decent deal?


MSRP is about $1200(from DPMS) , so if the round count is low , it would be a pretty good deal. If it's a Frankengun , probably not.

ETA - Local dealer here is selling DPMS LR-308 rifles at about $1050 new , FWIW.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:26:23 AM EST
Depends on where you want to hit something at 100 yards or 300 yards. Choice is pretty simple.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:27:52 AM EST
Everybody needs at least one AK!!!
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:31:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By -Duke-Nukem-:
This thread needs more cowbell.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/MolonLabe/shinyhappyak.jpg



img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/MolonLabe/Threeamigos.jpg


I need to get a blade for my AK.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:35:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Ghetto:

Originally Posted By Schulze:
$1200. But they're hard on brass.


Screw that!

I saw one on Gunbroker for $450



Must have been built on a Century receiver.

www.falfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=68486&



Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:37:51 AM EST
Just look at the ballistics for the 123 gr 'sawed off' pill compared to the full grown 168 gr. You'll know which to choose.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:38:08 AM EST
I love FALs.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:38:10 AM EST

Originally Posted By sav_carguy:

Originally Posted By Ghetto:
I found DPMS 18" bull barrel flat top AR10s for $970 on GB, is that a decent deal?


MSRP is about $1200(from DPMS) , so if the round count is low , it would be a pretty good deal. If it's a Frankengun , probably not.

ETA - Local dealer here is selling DPMS LR-308 rifles at about $1050 new , FWIW.


It's BNIB
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:39:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/23/2007 9:41:38 AM EST by RetroRevolver77]
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Originally Posted By Ghetto:
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Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
I would buy the AK in 5.45 platform, cheapest on the market to shoot for the time being. The .308 AR10 would make for an expensive addition both to run and to purchase.



I've thought about an AK in 5.45 but how long will that ammo be around for, is it in current production by anyone? What country still uses it?


Russia still uses it and once they switch to 5.56 it will flood the market. Currently it is the cheapest surplus auto rifle ammo on the market. For what you'll pay for that AR10 with ten magazines you could buy a 5.45 AK, ten mags, and seven cases of ammo.

.308 in anything sucks due to weight and cost of operation.



Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:41:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:

Originally Posted By Ghetto:

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
I would buy the AK in 5.45 platform, cheapest on the market to shoot for the time being. The .308 AR10 would make for an expensive addition both to run and to purchase.



I've thought about an AK in 5.45 but how long will that ammo be around for, is it in current production by anyone? What country still uses it?


Russia still uses it and once they switch to 5.56 it will flood the market. Currently it is the cheapest surplus auto rifle ammo on the market. For what you'll pay for that AR10 with ten magazines you could buy a 5.45 AK, ten mags, and seven cases of ammo.



DAMN

That may be the ticket.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 9:45:28 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Ghetto:
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Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
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Originally Posted By Ghetto:
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Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
I would buy the AK in 5.45 platform, cheapest on the market to shoot for the time being. The .308 AR10 would make for an expensive addition both to run and to purchase.



I've thought about an AK in 5.45 but how long will that ammo be around for, is it in current production by anyone? What country still uses it?


Russia still uses it and once they switch to 5.56 it will flood the market. Currently it is the cheapest surplus auto rifle ammo on the market. For what you'll pay for that AR10 with ten magazines you could buy a 5.45 AK, ten mags, and seven cases of ammo.



DAMN hock.gif

That may be the ticket.



It is the ticket. Check Centerfiresystems, WASR2 $329, case of 1080 5.45x39 $139.99. If you want a nicer one get the Tantal from Atlanticfirearms or find an Arsenal 105 or SAR2 on Gunbroker when they pop up.

Hell spend $1500 bucks and you'll have one with enough ammo to last quite a while.
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 1:44:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 2:00:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:

Originally Posted By Ghetto:

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:

Originally Posted By Ghetto:

Originally Posted By RetroRevolver77:
I would buy the AK in 5.45 platform, cheapest on the market to shoot for the time being. The .308 AR10 would make for an expensive addition both to run and to purchase.



I've thought about an AK in 5.45 but how long will that ammo be around for, is it in current production by anyone? What country still uses it?


Russia still uses it and once they switch to 5.56 it will flood the market. Currently it is the cheapest surplus auto rifle ammo on the market. For what you'll pay for that AR10 with ten magazines you could buy a 5.45 AK, ten mags, and seven cases of ammo.



DAMN

That may be the ticket.



It is the ticket. Check Centerfiresystems, WASR2 $329, case of 1080 5.45x39 $139.99. If you want a nicer one get the Tantal from Atlanticfirearms or find an Arsenal 105 or SAR2 on Gunbroker when they pop up.

Hell spend $1500 bucks and you'll have one with enough ammo to last quite a while.


Isn't the AK74 (5.45 x 39) the current main Russian battle rifle? If so, the surplus ammo & new production (Wolf-Golden Tiger) will be around (and cheaper that US made Ammo) for many years to come.

Link Posted: 9/23/2007 3:42:15 PM EST
+1 on the obvious choice of both!
Link Posted: 9/23/2007 3:46:55 PM EST
Both isn't an option right now, maybe next year.
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