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Posted: 6/23/2001 6:24:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/23/2001 6:32:47 AM EDT
Another name for a "civil liberty" is a "Right".
Link Posted: 6/23/2001 9:37:18 AM EDT
The ACLU has argued that the 2nd amen. was something they weren't going to defend. I think the search issue is, the issue, here. Remember the ACLU's defense for those NAMBLA guys. (North American Men Boy Love Assoc.) the ACLU is a goofy socialist organization that only likes odd amends. They are "diet" personnel freedom; only one calorie!
Link Posted: 6/23/2001 10:40:10 AM EDT
heres how the aclu counts the amendments 1, 3 4,5,6, etc etc etc besided the courts have ruled that searches of students is ok dont like it TUFF
Link Posted: 6/23/2001 10:53:18 AM EDT
Yep, We have a pressing need to keep students safe in our public schools. This is one of those "special needs beyond law enforcement" circumstances that the 4th Amendment is suspended under. Just like undergoing an airport search or L.E. searching parolees/probationers. You don't need Probable Cause (PC) to do it. The Supreme Court has carved out a niche for these exact same circumstances [New Jersey v. T.L.O. 469 US 325 (1985)]. In this ruling, all the school needs is "reasonable grounds" (not PC) to suspect that a search will turn up evidence that the student has/is violating a law or school rules.
Link Posted: 6/23/2001 11:18:10 AM EDT
Random weapons searches, randon drug searches, or random anything searches go against every notion of freedon that America subscribes itself to. Since this country was founded with the basic principle "People are basically good"- Random anything goes against the American way that has made us what we are today. Then again, this country was also founded under the notion that blacks are only 3/4'ths human... We got too far away from that ideal, and look what's happening.
Link Posted: 6/24/2001 5:26:30 PM EDT
These searches are not random, they just need reasonable grounds to believe that a crime/rule is being broken. This standard is very similar to "reasonable suspicion" (burden of proof) that a crime is being committed/ has been committed, that allows police to make an investigative stop of a person and upon the stop, may do a protective frisk of the person stopped for officer safety.
Link Posted: 6/24/2001 5:41:42 PM EDT
I wonder why they haven't taken on the issue of DUI checkpoints? Maybe they have and I just don't know it.
Link Posted: 6/24/2001 9:47:40 PM EDT
They are legal because when they stop people, they are not discriminating on WHO they stop as they stop them ALL. I believe that the Supremes reaffirmed that in the past couple of years....
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