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Posted: 1/9/2005 4:51:02 PM EDT
You've gotta be sh*tting me.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:52:11 PM EDT
What do you expect?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:52:19 PM EDT
Since when has the ACLU done ANYTHING even remotely logical or legal?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:53:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Since when has the ACLU done ANYTHING even remotely logical or legal?


Well, ummm, errrrrr....never?

What do I win???

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:53:46 PM EDT
I thought they acutally cared about justice.

CRC
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:54:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Since when has the ACLU done ANYTHING even remotely logical or legal?


Well, ummm, errrrrr....never?

What do I win???







Anything more: go ask your wife!
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:54:40 PM EDT
Nevermind.

What is the ACLU’s position on gun control?
The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. We believe the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals to own guns or other weapons, nor does it prohibit reasonable regulation of gun ownership, such as licensing and registration. For more information, please read our statement on gun control.

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:55:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
Nevermind.

What is the ACLU’s position on gun control?
The national ACLU is neutral on the issue of gun control. We believe the Second Amendment does not confer an unlimited right upon individuals to own guns or other weapons, nor does it prohibit reasonable regulation of gun ownership, such as licensing and registration. For more information, please read our statement on gun control.




I'll give you one guess.

Hint: the Constitution is perfectly clear on the RKBA.....
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:55:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
You've gotta be sh*tting me.



A lot of Christians support the Death Penalty but oppose abortion. Are you just as outraged?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:56:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
I thought they acutally cared about justice.

CRC


You thought wrong.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:56:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 4:59:13 PM EDT by Avtomat]

Originally Posted By SWIRE:

Originally Posted By CRC:
You've gotta be sh*tting me.



A lot of Christians support the Death Penalty but oppose abortion. Are you just as outraged?

Why would a christian oppose the death penalty? the bible provides for the death penalty for numerous crimes.



The ACLU's position is perfectly consistent with liberal ideology. if you thought their position was to support the constitution, then this would be surprising. It seems that they believe that the guilty should live, but the truely innocent can be put to death....
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:57:57 PM EDT
Abortion has been ammended into our constitution.
Why wouldn't the aclu fight measures that would weaken our constitution.
go ahead
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:59:09 PM EDT
If you support the death penalty and oppose abortion, I agree with you.

If you oppose the death penalty and oppose abortion, I disagree with your stance on the death penalty, but overall I find your position consistent.

If you oppose the death penalty and support abortion, you're an ilogical idiot.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 4:59:36 PM EDT
ACLU: We don't hate religion, just Christianity!

ACLU: We don't want violent murderers, rapists, and sociopaths to be removed from society permanently, but millions of developing children are fair game because they can't hire lawyers!

ACLU: We support certain activities by claiming they're in the Constitution, but don't support others even though they're in the Constitution. We're fucking nuts!
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:02:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bgcc11:
Abortion has been ammended into our constitution.
Why wouldn't the aclu fight measures that would weaken our constitution.
go ahead

Actually, the constitution has been construed to prohibit certain limits on abortion, and the ACLU fights to protect this (the const. has not been "amended"). The constitution specifically allows the death penalty (5th and 14th amendments), but the ACLU opposes this....
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:04:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SWIRE:

Originally Posted By CRC:
You've gotta be sh*tting me.



A lot of Christians support the Death Penalty but oppose abortion. Are you just as outraged?



Nope. The Christian position is that the child has lived, breathed, and has had a chance to make an impact on society...however, they made the improper impact. Therefore a retroactive abortion is called for.

Course, that's just how I see it, and my opinion could be flawed. YMMV, IANAL, WTF, blahblahblah.

(And yah..for the record...I'm a Christian. In case some holy roller gets their short and curlies in a bundle over that.)
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:10:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
ACLU: We don't hate religion, just Christianity!

ACLU: We don't want violent murderers, rapists, and sociopaths to be removed from society permanently, but millions of developing children are fair game because they can't hire lawyers!

ACLU: We support certain activities by claiming they're in the Constitution, but don't support others even though they're in the Constitution. We're fucking nuts!



+1, fuck the aclu until they start supporting the 2nd as well as the other ammendments.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:10:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Avtomat:

Originally Posted By bgcc11:
Abortion has been ammended into our constitution.
Why wouldn't the aclu fight measures that would weaken our constitution.
go ahead

Actually, the constitution has been construed to prohibit certain limits on abortion, and the ACLU fights to protect this (the const. has not been "amended"). The constitution specifically allows the death penalty (5th and 14th amendments), but the ACLU opposes this....



Seems consistent.
One is personal choice (I know you cant will away a human in its fetus stage) and a fight to keep govt out of one's personal business.
The other is a fight to keep govt from ever having the power to kill it's citizens.
EVER!
I would never give my govt that power.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:12:32 PM EDT
I got no problem with their position on abortion, but their lack of support for the 2nd amendement bothers me.

Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:19:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:21:22 PM EDT
It's a profound contradiction in Liberal politics. The most salient I can think of.
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:21:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:
7 threads about abortion at the same time? Geez take a deep breath or something.




Yeah, it's a bit much. Is today some anniversary or something?
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:21:25 PM EDT
wow
Link Posted: 1/9/2005 5:53:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/9/2005 5:53:16 PM EDT by Striker]
sp[amming. 1 thread is enough
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