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Posted: 9/8/2004 7:27:26 AM EST
25% of the deaths in IRAQ/Afghanistan have been either accidents or friendly fire. This is one hell of a large number. (This is 0.2% of the deployed forces). What industry would be allowed to operate with those kinds of numbers?

Where is OSHA when you need them?

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/casualties/facesofthefallen.htm
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:29:34 AM EST
You could always go nerf...
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:35:28 AM EST
How many do you think occurred in other wars?

War isn't business. And the enmy often doesn't follow rules.

SGatr15
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:36:07 AM EST
I'm not an expert on this subject, but I believe that 25% is exactly par for the course.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:37:55 AM EST
Most of the deaths in Desert Shield/Storm were from accidents.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:40:16 AM EST
Nothing new on friendly fire casualties…

The old soldiers from the North Europe Campaign in WWII used to say……

"Germans in the Sky, Yanks take cover…
Yanks in the Sky, both side take cover…"

Andy
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:52:04 AM EST
Think of all the vehicle accidents you see around you here in the states. Now imagine if almost all of the occupants aren't wearing seatbelts. Lot more deaths, right?

Now take an industry where you use very heavy vehicles and equipment weighing many tons. Have the workers on the clock for 18 or 20 hours a day EVERY day, no days off, constantly doing physically and mentally demanding jobs. Lot more deaths, right?

Fighting battles and winning wars is a very difficult thing to do. Despite emphasis on operation risk management, even the training is extremely hazardous and unfortunately results in many accidents. There is NO industry/business more dangerous. It's war.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:56:30 AM EST

Originally Posted By LABLOVER:
25% of the deaths in IRAQ/Afghanistan have been either accidents or friendly fire. This is one hell of a large number. (This is 0.2% of the deployed forces). What industry would be allowed to operate with those kinds of numbers?

Where is OSHA when you need them?

www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/iraq/casualties/facesofthefallen.htm



Seeing how the Iraqis drive, and the fact that we don't wear seatbelts out of the wire, I am surprised more people aren't killed.

As a gunner in a Humvee, I was always concerned that some Iraqi civ. was going to hit us. It's also nerve racking when you are sharing the road with a tank.

It got so bad, they required us to wear selt belts when we came onto our post.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 8:05:19 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 10:30:50 AM EST by Clay-More]
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 10:38:37 AM EST
Arab countries tend to have incredibly high traffic accident mortality.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 11:54:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By LABLOVER:
25% of the deaths in IRAQ/Afghanistan have been either accidents or friendly fire. This is one hell of a large number. (This is 0.2% of the deployed forces). What industry would be allowed to operate with those kinds of numbers?



Maybe the 25% sounds high because the killed by enemy fire is so LOW for a real war ?

i.e. if 10,000 were killed by enemy fire like in Nam, the 250 killed by an Acccident would not even be on the radar screen ?
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 12:05:13 PM EST
In any give year military deaths from accidents in peace time can number in the hundreds.

War is a slightly more dangerous activity that business I don’t think OSHA would be of much help.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 12:11:26 PM EST
If anyone ever bothered to read the safety stats they would find that the accidental death rate in Iraq (with the exception of friendly fire) / (including aircraft crashes) has not increased the total number of accidental deaths overall.

Here is the current (Sept 04) Navy Military Motor Vehicle Fatality Rates
This page contains information on Navy and Marine Corps non-operational private motor vehicle (PMV) and operational motor vehicle mishaps for the current fiscal year.

Total PMV Fatalities
Navy
65

Total PMV Fatality Rate
Navy
18.11


Operational
Total Operational MV Fatalities
Navy
5

Operational MV Fatality Rate
Navy
1.39


For Fy 99 it was a total of 71 deaths.
Link Posted: 9/9/2004 1:06:08 PM EST
My uncle was a teenager in WW II, then back for Korea. He stated to me he saw as many guys killed in screw ups as combat. He saw a lot of combat.
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