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Posted: 7/23/2001 4:41:29 PM EDT
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I sense another "loophole" frenzy coming on...
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Posted: 7/23/2001 5:00:10 PM EDT
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Florida's sheriffs are upset that the NRA successfully pushed for a exemption for firearms from a law requiring pawn shops to register all merchandise pawned so it can be checked to see if it is stolen. The state intended to keep the records for two years. The NRA got a exemption for firearms, their records will be destroyed after two days.
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Posted: 7/23/2001 5:05:12 PM EDT
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So what you're saying is that the trace is done, and then, if all is well, deal goes thru and records are destroyed after two days? Is there really a problem here? Don't think so. Should be eaiser and quicker to trace a firearm than, say, a toaster oven.
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Posted: 7/23/2001 5:16:05 PM EDT
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Yea, but don't you know keeping those records for years will protect us, well really the children, from the criminal element.
You know the type. They always buy from dealers. Never steal them or get them on the black market. You know, those types. |
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Posted: 7/23/2001 5:41:44 PM EDT
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The cops wanted to keep the records so the gun could be traced after it left the pawn shop. If it was recovered in a crime later they wanted to track down who sold it to the criminal. The NRA fought it as de facto registration.
This was motivated, because a whopping 21% of all firearms used in crimes in Florida are bought at pawnshops. Also the cops suspected that pawned shops are serving as a dumping ground for homocide weapons, the criminals dump the guns off as soon as possible and they wind up in the hands of some law abiding citizen who never uses it in a crime, so it just disappears. |
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Posted: 7/23/2001 5:55:39 PM EDT
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I saw that peice on ABC. I support the NRA on this one. I think the sheriff's and cops are using this as a ploy to mask their real intention to use it a mean to register guns. |
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Posted: 7/23/2001 5:58:14 PM EDT
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Fine, but doesn't the pawn shot act as an FFL for purposes of sale, with all the proper paperwork, etc? If the firearm was reported stolen, the cops will snag it before the sale goes through. At that point, they can run a ballistics test and get any evidence they might need to solve any possible crimes. If null answer, firearm is returned to owner or disposed of according to law. NICS check validates prospective new owner, and paperwork held by pawn shop links gun to new owner if NICS check OK; if check is a no-go, no sale. I guess I'm still missing something here as to why the cops need 2 years. Obviously, the real reason is a back-door registry.
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Posted: 7/23/2001 6:10:28 PM EDT
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If you killed someone with a gun, would you try to buy/hock it at a fricking pawn shop? Only the stupidest idiots would.
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Posted: 7/23/2001 6:13:57 PM EDT
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Quoted: This was motivated, because a whopping 21% of all firearms used in crimes in Florida are bought at pawnshops. Also the cops suspected that pawned shops are serving as a dumping ground for homocide weapons, the criminals dump the guns off as soon as possible and they wind up in the hands of some law abiding citizen who never uses it in a crime, so it just disappears. This is idiotic! Any criminal who sells his gun at a pawnshop is insane. If they use the gun in a crime they need to lose it forever, preferably in one of those canals or swamps. Selling it to a citizen is way too risky. GunLvr |
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Posted: 7/23/2001 6:16:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: Fine, but doesn't the pawn shot act as an FFL for purposes of sale, with all the proper paperwork, etc? If the firearm was reported stolen, the cops will snag it before the sale goes through. At that point, they can run a ballistics test and get any evidence they might need to solve any possible crimes. If null answer, firearm is returned to owner or disposed of according to law. NICS check validates prospective new owner, and paperwork held by pawn shop links gun to new owner if NICS check OK; if check is a no-go, no sale. I guess I'm still missing something here as to why the cops need 2 years. Obviously, the real reason is a back-door registry. Yes, the pawn shop is still an FFL and they have a bound book, with each gun listed along with serial number and who they got it from and who they sold it to. They probably also have photocopy of ID for buyer and seller too. Looks like ABC News is lying again! GunLvr |
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Posted: 7/23/2001 6:18:29 PM EDT
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So far the only reason that holds water it the back-door registry business. All the other reasons fall apart when you examine them critically.
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Posted: 7/23/2001 6:39:35 PM EDT
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they were running the info and if it cleared, it was being deleted. a few local dept. pawn detectives complained about 'enough time' to check on CLEARED transactions months after they occured, so of course our top state legal eagle bob butterbrains wrote a letter stating that they did not have to delete the records. hence the whole procedure is changed - now they want to keep all evil - even though cleared - pawn shop transactions forever.
my response from the state law enforcement groups was "if you have a problem take it to the individual departments that are pushing for the data base." |
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Posted: 7/23/2001 7:06:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: The cops wanted to keep the records so the gun could be traced after it left the pawn shop. If it was recovered in a crime later they wanted to track down who sold it to the criminal. The NRA fought it as de facto registration. This was motivated, because a whopping 21% of all firearms used in crimes in Florida are bought at pawnshops. Also the cops suspected that pawned shops are serving as a dumping ground for homocide weapons, the criminals dump the guns off as soon as possible and they wind up in the hands of some law abiding citizen who never uses it in a crime, so it just disappears. Damn, you would think they would have the sense to let it go at the local "no questions asked, guns destroyed immediately" gun buyback program. Is that for real???? |
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Posted: 7/23/2001 7:43:10 PM EDT
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originally posted by 101 proof. "Is that for real????" ABC said it was... They had a couple sherrifs and even a pawn store owner who clamed to be opposed to the NRA's position... supposedly to show that even the people the NRA was trying to "help" were against them. Want to bet that these were the only two sherrifs at the Florida Association of Sheriffs meeting who were actually opposed to this- they even claimed to be NRA members! So did the pawn shop owner. |
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