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Posted: 10/7/2017 7:14:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/7/2017 8:40:32 PM EDT by Paul]
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 7:38:14 AM EDT
What happens when Spanish takes over as primary language?

But that would make a nice t-shirt.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 7:42:16 AM EDT
What does collective manner mean?

I can stockpile?
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 7:42:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Delbaeth:
What happens when Spanish takes over as primary language?

But that would make a nice t-shirt.
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THIS is why we need to make ENGLISH the NATIONAL LANGUAGE!!!!!


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Link Posted: 10/7/2017 7:50:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Delbaeth:
What happens when Spanish takes over as primary language?

But that would make a nice t-shirt.
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I'd buy one 
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 7:51:44 AM EDT
Let’s not forget, this is America and reading is for faggots.

In cases where the above does not apply, reading is a tool for postmodernist marxist deconstruction to form new speak from venerated authorities by changing the longstanding definition of terms via stealth and deception.


Seriously, though, it’s time to (figuratively) go to the mattresses. It’s more important now that those on “our” side in positions of influence know our expectations (don’t give an inch) than our interpretation of the 2A (no matter how correct, in the plain meaning of the language it may be).

No step backward!

Not an inch!
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 7:52:31 AM EDT
OP, thanks.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 7:54:04 AM EDT
Doesn't matter. They don't care.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:00:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By runcible:
Doesn't matter. They don't care.
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^ this.  They may as well run the Constitution through an NSA-rated paper shredder.  It has been replaced with something vaguely described as a "social contract."
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:11:39 AM EDT
Here's what I use with liberals at parties and such- "A well educated populace, being essential to a thriving country, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed"

Question to liberal- Does this statement mean only "well educated people" get to keep and read books?

They stammer and stutter and try a different argument.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:16:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By xylo:
Here's what I use with liberals at parties and such- "A well educated populace, being essential to a thriving country, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed"

Question to liberal- Does this statement mean only "well educated people" get to keep and read books?

They stammer and stutter and try a different argument.
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That's one I've never seen, simple and effective.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:19:08 AM EDT
I'd buy that shirt
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:20:36 AM EDT
My liberal friend that has an AR and a bump stock will argue that, even though it says shall not be infringed, the same people that wrote the constitution also regulated the storage of gun power in buildings.  Because of this, no matter what the 2nd says about shall not, apparently any regulation is fair game.  He is also for registration even though he admits it will only assist after the fact.
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Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:26:12 AM EDT
Unfortunately, the USSC doesn't give a damn about sentence structure.
Heller "completely detached" the right secured by the Second Amendment from the language of the amendment.

The case held that self-defense is the "central component" of the right.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:27:30 AM EDT
Diagramming sentences brings back bad 6th grade memories.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:35:35 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Unfortunately, the USSC doesn't give a damn about sentence structure.
Heller "completely detached" the right secured by the Second Amendment from the language of the amendment.

The case held that self-defense is the "central component" of the right.
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It wouldn't be so bad if they had just expanded the lawful understanding to include self defense from individuals along with self defense from a bad government. 


I fear we will be left with only low capacity handguns being legally recognized as protected by the 2nd.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:35:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
I'd buy that shirt
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Yep.  Not that I wear t shirts much.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:38:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By runcible:
Doesn't matter. They don't care.
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Yep. One brick at a time!
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:40:25 AM EDT
I like it.
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Originally Posted By Firefighter503:
I like it.
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Good looking pistol in your avatar
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:41:27 AM EDT
In my mind the 2nd Amendment is and has always been about being able to resist and oppressive government.   Clarifying that I have a right to self defense begs the question, do I have a right to breathe air if that right wasn't codified by SCOTUS?
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:41:29 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:



I fear we will be left with only low capacity handguns being legally recognized as protected by the 2nd.
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You mean Saturday Night Specials?
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:44:49 AM EDT
I think everything should be written out like that all the time.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:52:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Bhart89:
Clarifying that I have a right to self defense begs the question, do I have a right to breathe air if that right wasn't codified by SCOTUS?
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You have the right to breathe anything the government tells you to breathe, including hydrogen cyanide.  It's just that it's very difficult for them to herd people into gas chambers when they're shooting at them.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 8:56:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:

It wouldn't be so bad if they had just expanded the lawful understanding to include self defense from individuals along with self defense from a bad government. 


I fear we will be left with only low capacity handguns being legally recognized as protected by the 2nd.
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You have to keep up.

Stun guns have been classified as "arms" protected by the Second Amendment for self-defense purposes. See Caetano. So long as the government allows the unwashed masses to possess stun guns the right to self-defense will be held to have been fulfilled. Lethal objects such as handguns are not required.

As far as defense against the government, the courts have spoken. "But self-defense, not revolution, 'is the central component of the Second Amendment.' "Hollis v. Lynch (citation omitted).
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 9:28:22 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By xylo:
Here's what I use with liberals at parties and such- "A well educated populace, being essential to a thriving country, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed"

Question to liberal- Does this statement mean only "well educated people" get to keep and read books?

They stammer and stutter and try a different argument.
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I’m going to start using this.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 9:28:44 AM EDT
I have never understood where the cognitive disconnect is. Libs do mental gymnastics to pretend that there is ambiguity in the 2A.

'A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, ... '
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The above is a narrative comment. It is stating the rationale in advance of the declarative statement.


[i]' ... the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.'['i]
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The function and effect of the statement is the US Government officially recognizes the citizens' RIGHT to keep and bear arms; as specifically enumerated. It can't be more clear.

If one wanted to argue that the rationale for declaring the right is no longer valid, that mere argument or opinion cannot un-enumerate the right. That argument would have to be tabled at a Constitutional Convention. Trying to author and pass laws that are in direct opposition to enumerated rights is nothing more than tantruming children wanting to ignore the rules they don't like.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 9:40:00 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By JK_Pyre:
I'd buy one 
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Originally Posted By JK_Pyre:
Originally Posted By Delbaeth:
What happens when Spanish takes over as primary language?

But that would make a nice t-shirt.
I'd buy one 
Me too
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 9:48:00 AM EDT
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Throw the sentence diagram away. Nobody is persuading anybody with that.

The 2nd Amendment is a means to an end.

The means: Protection against  government interference with "the right to keep and bear arms."

The end: Encouraging the existence of a citizenry armed in military fashion,   i.e., "the well-regulated militia," to "secure" the continued existence of "a free state."

The 2nd Amendment is thoroughly martial in character and has worked quite well in application. Asking the question "what is it for" anwers the question "what does it do."

A modern writer would write "A well-regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state. Therfore, the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 9:49:12 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Unfortunately, the USSC doesn't give a damn about sentence structure.
Heller "completely detached" the right secured by the Second Amendment from the language of the amendment.

The case held that self-defense is the "central component" of the right.
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On the bright side, Gorsuch has been known to include sentence diagrams in his rulings in order to make his point to idiots:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch-judicial-views-2017-2
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 9:57:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:01:36 AM EDT
That will go into the desktop background rotation. Thanks!
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:02:13 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bssrf4:
Diagramming sentences brings back bad 6th grade memories.
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I don't remember ever doing that [shrugs]...
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:04:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By xylo:
Here's what I use with liberals at parties and such- "A well educated populace, being essential to a thriving country, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed"

Question to liberal- Does this statement mean only "well educated people" get to keep and read books?

They stammer and stutter and try a different argument.
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I use an even simpler version with the same results.

"A well read electorate, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read books, shall not be infringed."

And then I ask them who the electorate is in the context of this sentence.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:08:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Zack3g:
I very nearly failed this part of English. What was it, 6th or 7th grade? 8th maybe?

...fuck that diagramming bullshit and whoever invented it and whoever looks like them or drives the same car.
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This guy fayled enlgish class seven or 8 times
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:09:51 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:

Yep.  Not that I wear t shirts much.
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Agreed

I have SiCO, Glock, etc. I wear them when working around the house so I guess it defeats the political message
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:16:05 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By runcible:
Doesn't matter. They don't care.
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Exactly.  And even then, it's not an infringement it's a "reasonable restriction".  
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:23:09 AM EDT
Originally, Americans viewed a standing army as a danger to freedom.  As expressed in the debates about Madison’s Bill of Rights, a well armed and well regulated militia composed of the body of the people is the best security for freedom.

The militia is composed of all citizen freemen, and all freemen are duty bound to arm themselves.  This view is descended from the Anglosaxon fyrd of our ethnic British heritage.  The American militia is formed by two broad components: select and general.  The select militia are organized units supposed to rapidly respond to emergencies and form the core of the wider militia.  The remaining freemen are part of the unorganized, general militia.  

It is up to elected governments to provide the rules and training of the militia that make it well regulated.  Poor training and rules lacking command damaged the Americans’ campaigns in the Seven Years War, and caused hardship during the Revolution.  Americans must arm ourselves with weapons strong enough to defeat those that could be used against us by enemies foreign and domestic.

By the time the American Bill of Rights was ratified the majority of Americans were very safe from the dangers of indigenous attack or British oppression.  The Second Amendment was for the general and individual defense of the public, especially against bad government.  By the way, many American law enforcement agencies today resemble a standing army far more than a police force.

TLDR: Freedom is hard, it’s not for the lazy: suppressors, machine guns, and rockets for all.


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xylo:Here's what I use with liberals at parties and such- "A well educated populace, being essential to a thriving country, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed"

Question to liberal- Does this statement mean only "well educated people" get to keep and read books?

They stammer and stutter and try a different argument.
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Neat!


But can I store sarin gas, small pox, and high explosives next to my lawn mower in my shed conveniently located closer to my neighbor's house than mine?
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:36:40 AM EDT
Don't let them fool you OP.
The Left knows damn well what it means.

Why do you think they are so afraid of it?
Why do you think they want to abolish it?

A.W.D.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:39:53 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By LibertyShip:
On the bright side, Gorsuch has been known to include sentence diagrams in his rulings in order to make his point to idiots:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch-judicial-views-2017-2
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Originally Posted By LibertyShip:
Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
Unfortunately, the USSC doesn't give a damn about sentence structure.
Heller "completely detached" the right secured by the Second Amendment from the language of the amendment.

The case held that self-defense is the "central component" of the right.
On the bright side, Gorsuch has been known to include sentence diagrams in his rulings in order to make his point to idiots:

http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-supreme-court-nominee-neil-gorsuch-judicial-views-2017-2
I'd be willing to bet that he regards the "interpretation" of the Second Amendment announced in Heller as settled law.
If he didn't, I don't think he would have been nominated or confirmed.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:42:03 AM EDT
All that i remember about sentence diagrams is that i hated them in 5th grade.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:47:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By primuspilum:
Let’s not forget, this is America and reading is for faggots.

In cases where the above does not apply, reading is a tool for postmodernist marxist deconstruction to form new speak from venerated authorities by changing the longstanding definition of terms via stealth and deception
.


Seriously, though, it’s time to (figuratively) go to the mattresses. It’s more important now that those on “our” side in positions of influence know our expectations (don’t give an inch) than our interpretation of the 2A (no matter how correct, in the plain meaning of the language it may be).

No step backward!

Not an inch!
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primuspilum knows his enemy. This is exactly who we're fighting and their attack against the 2A isn't the only front in this war. The fight against the 1A is being waged simultaneously. They make no bones about it. What happens on the 2A front if they effectively destroy our ability to be heard?

I listened to someone on the news who (iirc) is a local politician in Portland, ME going after the 15A. That fight is meant to give groups of their choosing more rights than others.

Newspeak, Ingsoc, Thought Police, Memory Hole; the left is making it happen. This country was duped into electing a Cult of Personality in Obama ffs.

The result won't be pretty if the people who represent us in the fight to protect the 2A keep caving every time some crackpot uses a gun in committing an atrocity.

The NRA better wake the fuck up.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:49:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Oldgold:
You mean Saturday Night Specials?
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Originally Posted By jaqufrost:



I fear we will be left with only low capacity handguns being legally recognized as protected by the 2nd.
You mean Saturday Night Specials?
Thats where "well regulated" comes in. It has nothing to do with regulation. I believe it means well equipped.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 10:58:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By wtfboombrb:


primuspilum knows his enemy. This is exactly who we're fighting and their attack against the 2A isn't the only front in this war. The fight against the 1A is being waged simultaneously. They make no bones about it. What happens on the 2A front if they effectively destroy our ability to be heard?

I listened to someone on the news who (iirc) is a local politician in Portland, ME going after the 15A. That fight is meant to give groups of their choosing more rights than others.

Newspeak, Ingsoc, Thought Police, Memory Hole; the left is making it happen. This country was duped into electing a Cult of Personality in Obama ffs.

The result won't be pretty if the people who represent us in the fight to protect the 2A keep caving every time some crackpot uses a gun in committing an atrocity.

The NRA better wake the fuck up.
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When people say that the NRA only gives a shit about fudds, this is what they mean when they are saying it.
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
What does collective manner mean?

I can stockpile?
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See "gun collection."
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 11:09:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chadnutz:
My liberal friend that has an AR and a bump stock will argue that, even though it says shall not be infringed, the same people that wrote the constitution also regulated the storage of gun power in buildings.  Because of this, no matter what the 2nd says about shall not, apparently any regulation is fair game.  He is also for registration even though he admits it will only assist after the fact.
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It was only for large amounts of BP, which is an explosive unlike smokeless, and people also lived in wood houses, heated with fire, and used fire to light their houses as they didn't have electricity. It's like arguing food should be stored in a town refrigerator because they didn't have refrigerators then. 

Back then there were many privately owned warships and cannons. That's the modern day equivalent of nukes, missiles, and heavy artillery. It was the pinnacle of arms at the time.
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 11:09:10 AM EDT
This Bernadine Smith lady seems cool.



Bio
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 1:11:35 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By xylo:
Here's what I use with liberals at parties and such- "A well educated populace, being essential to a thriving country, the right of the people to keep and read books shall not be infringed"

Question to liberal- Does this statement mean only "well educated people" get to keep and read books?

They stammer and stutter and try a different argument.
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Mine's similar, and I add, and is this right only applicable in a library or school?
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 6:21:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/7/2017 6:37:59 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Element94:


Thats where "well regulated" comes in. It has nothing to do with regulation. I believe it means well equipped.
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It means properly instructed and trained in military skills.
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