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A Beast of a Cartridge! (Page 1 of 4)
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Posted: 11/22/2019 2:57:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:08:49 PM EST
My shoulder hurts just watching that. Good lawd.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:10:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2019 3:26:46 PM EST by Dominion21]
A friend and his uncle went on a modern “Buffalo hunt.”

- friend used an original 45-60 (yes, 60, not 70) with a heavy cast lead bullet like in the video

- his uncle used a 30-06 with premium bonded heavy hunting bullets

The buffalo shot with 30-06 kept grazing after the 1st shot - as if nothing happened. Same for 2nd shot. Following the 3rd shot, it slowly went down, as if to take a nap - and died. All 3 shots were well placed into the heart-lung zone and bullets expqnded perfectly.

When the 400+ grain 45-60 bullet struck it’s buffalo, the bull lept a foot straight into the air like a startled cat, came down and collapsed in a heap, kicked once, and died right away. It also snorted out about a gallon of blood as it hit the ground.

There’s obviously good reason buffalo hunters often used 45-70 and 45-60.

Edit: I think the 110 loadings mostly just bought them extra range - as herds ran off over the prairie.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:12:16 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2019 3:13:12 PM EST by Layer60]
That's a lot of energy. Did I read correctly in the video that the speeds varied 257fps across rounds or were those different rounds tested? I couldn't really tell.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:14:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NickGunar:
My shoulder hurts just watching that. Good lawd.
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If it's worse than 20 gauge 3" #6s out of a Merkel SxS I don't want it.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:15:56 PM EST
The whole $80 for 20 buffalo bore cartridges is almost as unpleasant as the recoil on mine.

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Honestly once I take my buffalo I think I’m going to sell or trade it for a 6.5 rifle.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:17:48 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NickGunar:
My shoulder hurts just watching that. Good lawd.
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Mine too. He is big ol' boy and it rocked him pretty good.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:20:57 PM EST
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Originally Posted By callgood:
If it's worse than 20 gauge 3" #6s out of a Merkel SxS I don't want it.
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Originally Posted By callgood:
Originally Posted By NickGunar:
My shoulder hurts just watching that. Good lawd.
If it's worse than 20 gauge 3" #6s out of a Merkel SxS I don't want it.
I hear you. In my younger days I had no problem sighting in my 12ga slug gun. Today, my brittle bones would shatter into tiny little pieces. 30-06 is plenty for me these days.

I do enjoy Op's videos. He gets to play with all kinds of cool toys.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:21:06 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:23:49 PM EST
BTW - my friends Dakota buffalo “hunt” was kind of anti-climactic:

- they essentially met the rancher they arranged the hunt with - who drove them close to his heard in his pickup - and when they were ready, the rancher simply pointed out the selected animal and said: “shoot that one.”

There wasn’t any real “hunting” to it.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:23:55 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2019 3:27:49 PM EST by 35Whelen700]
I need another Siamese Mauser now. 1700fps is rookie territory.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:29:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By NickGunar:
My shoulder hurts just watching that. Good lawd.
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Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:30:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2019 3:31:08 PM EST by mdguy90]
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:
BTW - my friends Dakota buffalo “hunt” was kind of anti-climactic:

- they essentially met the rancher they arranged the hunt with - who drove them close to his heard in his pickup - and when they were ready, the rancher simply pointed out the selected animal and said: “shoot that one.”

There wasn’t any real “hunting” to it.
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I’m wishing I had that right now. I’m trying to
Fill a buff tag here and have logged many many mornings and miles.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:31:26 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sjuhockey10:

*laughs in .50-110*
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Pics or I'm calling BS!

Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:33:42 PM EST
It's fun in revolvers too, just don't let go
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:35:55 PM EST
I have cousins that will not under any circumstances shoot my 45-70 or 10 gauge.

I let them try some buffalo bore rounds.
I have no problems shooting 20 or more rounds at a time.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:41:03 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Dominion21:
A friend and his uncle went on a modern “Buffalo hunt.”

- friend used an original 45-60 (yes, 60, not 70) with a heavy cast lead bullet like in the video

- his uncle used a 30-06 with premium bonded heavy hunting bullets

The buffalo shot with 30-06 kept grazing after the 1st shot - as if nothing happened. Same for 2nd shot. Following the 3rd shot, it slowly went down, as if to take a nap - and died. All 3 shots were well placed into the heart-lung zone and bullets expqnded perfectly.

When the 400+ grain 45-60 bullet struck it’s buffalo, the bull lept a foot straight into the air like a startled cat, came down and collapsed in a heap, kicked once, and died right away. It also snorted out about a gallon of blood as it hit the ground.

There’s obviously good reason buffalo hunters often used 45-70 and 45-60.

Edit: I think the 110 loadings mostly just bought them extra range - as herds ran off over the prairie.
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I use my .45-70s on deer. Trapdoor level loads(keeping common ammo safe for the Contender, my weakest action). They die...quickly.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:45:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2019 3:46:44 PM EST by 2PO]
2PO and @whiskersthecat laugh in Garrett



Link Posted: 11/22/2019 3:59:20 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Layer60:
That's a lot of energy. Did I read correctly in the video that the speeds varied 257fps across rounds or were those different rounds tested? I couldn't really tell.
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There was one anomalous round that opened the ES to 271. Without that 1,511 velocity, the ES would be 87. Could be a chronograph error, I guess.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:01:14 PM EST
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That's a no for me, dawg.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:03:25 PM EST
.45-70s seem to reproduce if left alone in the safe... bought one a Marlin 1895 Guide Gun.
A few months later I owned 3... an antique 1895 made in 1895 according to Marlin, the aforementioned modern 1895G and a ruskie double rifle.

.45-70 is like a light switch for deer.
It sucks at long range, but where I hunt shots over 100m are rare... so the drop isn't too bad at that range.

I'd love to find a Ruger No.1 in .45-70 to have a strong action to load 'heavy' on.

And of my guns, not a single factory round has passed through em in my hands... bought Starline virgin brass and have been enjoying a simple to load rifle round.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:10:39 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2019 4:11:07 PM EST by Hanzerik]
I have shot mine a lot over the last couple months that I've owned it. 20rnds of factory federal ammo, the other 200 or so have been reloads using various 405gr cast bullets. Attachment Attached File
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:11:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By mdguy90:
The whole $80 for 20 buffalo bore cartridges is almost as unpleasant as the recoil on mine.

https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/184940/BC5241A6-B3B5-4578-9CF6-F6DCDF3152D9_jpeg-1169933.JPG

Honestly once I take my buffalo I think I’m going to sell or trade it for a 6.5 rifle.
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Roll your own.

I make my own for my trapdoor and (mild) to my Guide Gun (wild) to some jawbreakers that I loaded up for a fellow arfcommer when he had a bear situation on his back deck.
$4 per round is .50BMG territory and .45-70 is stupid easy to hand load for...
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:12:56 PM EST
WOOHOO.. official 45-70 Love on ARFCOM!

Master Race, checking in!
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:19:40 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:22:56 PM EST
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Laughs in .505 Gibbs.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:23:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2019 4:24:04 PM EST by lonewolf465]
Headed out tomorrow for deer with my high-wall and my reloaded black powder cartridges.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:25:19 PM EST
That big ol’ boy didn’t want no more after shooting a few rounds.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:27:23 PM EST
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Indeed.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:30:04 PM EST
What's gonna' hurt worse?

The 45-70 round or those fuckin' bear claws tenderizing your face into edible bite size chunks?

That guy has at least 100lbs more impact absorbing meat than me and he was grinding molars when he was pullin' that trigger!

Must be a 'stout' round.

Wonder if a bit more barrel length would ease up some of that felt recoil?
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:36:38 PM EST
Impressive. I do not have a .45-70 yet. I do have a .444 Marlin, that one is a pretty good thumper in it's own right though.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:40:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2019 4:42:34 PM EST by Flyboy77]
Worse than a 3.5 inch 10 gauge?

ETA 62.9 foot/pounds
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:40:58 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kevyn:
What's gonna' hurt worse?

The 45-70 round or those fuckin' bear claws tenderizing your face into edible bite size chunks?

That guy has at least 100lbs more impact absorbing meat than me and he was grinding molars when he was pullin' that trigger!

Must be a 'stout' round.

Wonder if a bit more barrel length would ease up some of that felt recoil?
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It's possible. That is only a 16.5" barrel and 7 pounds on that Trapper.....about the same as your average AR15.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:43:53 PM EST
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Originally Posted By SEAN10MM:
Impressive. I do not have a .45-70 yet. I do have a .444 Marlin, that one is a pretty good thumper in it's own right though.
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I have a .444 Marlin as well as the Gibbs. The .444 is a pussycat compared to the .505.

The Marlin is fun to shoot. The Gibbs is exhilarating.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:45:04 PM EST
Recoil didn't look to bad. I dunno about that big loop. The regular loop seems ok. I would be impressed to see him shoot it from a guide gun with the stock waffle pad

45/70 and 45 Colt all you need for the deep woods.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:49:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Sumo6:

I have a .444 Marlin as well as the Gibbs. The .444 is a pussycat compared to the .505.

The Marlin is fun to shoot. The Gibbs is exhilarating.
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Heck, after spending some time behind 510gr 458 win mags... I don't want or need to be exhilarated by the Gibbs!
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 4:50:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Kevyn:
What's gonna' hurt worse?

The 45-70 round or those fuckin' bear claws tenderizing your face into edible bite size chunks?

That guy has at least 100lbs more impact absorbing meat than me and he was grinding molars when he was pullin' that trigger!

Must be a 'stout' round.

Wonder if a bit more barrel length would ease up some of that felt recoil?
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Maybe. It may increase velocity enough for it to be a wash.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:02:11 PM EST
This isn't a tacked thread?
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:05:10 PM EST
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Originally Posted By OiRogers:

And of my guns, not a single factory round has passed through em in my hands... bought Starline virgin brass and have been enjoying a simple to load rifle round.
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Really shines with reloading doesn't it? Mild to fuck this shit, and it can be almost as cheap as upper level .22LR if you cast your own bullets. 50 of my cast 405 grain loads cost me about $1.10 more than 50 CCI Stingers.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:07:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Flyboy77:
Worse than a 3.5 inch 10 gauge?

ETA 62.9 foot/pounds
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Nope. At least, nothing I have shot in .45-70 was that stout. I have a 10 gauge BPS and have shot both in the same day.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:14:55 PM EST
The .45-70 kicks ass.

Every real man should own one.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:15:54 PM EST
Why do all people on youtube feel the need to over accentuate everything?
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:22:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TinSpinner:
Mine too. He is big ol' boy and it rocked him pretty good.
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Originally Posted By TinSpinner:
Originally Posted By NickGunar:
My shoulder hurts just watching that. Good lawd.
Mine too. He is big ol' boy and it rocked him pretty good.
Marlins have a fantastically horrible stock design for handling recoil.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:35:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/22/2019 8:36:24 PM EST by FB41]
I used Garret loads in my .45-70 Guide Gun while I was in Alaska. I have decided I don't need that level of recoil anymore.

I load a 300 grain LFP over 44.1 of RL-7 that kills FL hogs and deer-and NOT my shoulder- just fine.

Those loads in the OP? No fucking way, bear or no bear.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:38:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sjuhockey10:

*laughs in .50-110*
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Laughs in .416 Rigby
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:42:11 PM EST
I have a 16in 1895 that is by far my favorite rifle.
With full power “bear” loads it isn’t pleasant but who cares
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:43:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:45:51 PM EST
430 grain at 1780? I've got some 450 grain Swift A Frames loaded for my 458 at 2200.
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 8:47:41 PM EST
Have the 45/70 and looking at the 50/140 on a pedesoli right now need a wall hanger For sure
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 9:00:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By FB41:
I used Garret loads in my .45-70 Guide Gun while I was in Alaska. I have decided I don't need that level of recoil anymore.

I load a 300 grain LFP over 44.1 of RL-7 that kills FL hogs and deer-and NOT my shoulder- just fine.

Those loads in the OP? No fucking way, bear or no bear.
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I don't get this and I'm not insulting you.

45-70 definitely is impactful from a bench, but standing shots aren't that bad. I've gone through a box of Garrett at the range only stopping because of cost.

It's a slow powerful push but it's not punishing.

@AeroEngineer and I shot a fuck ton a few months ago and neither of us were bitching, and it was his first time.

I think notable stuff about the cartridge is muzzle flash with some of the light fast rounds
Link Posted: 11/22/2019 9:03:44 PM EST
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