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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:05:51 PM EDT
Which is more effective?
Now,I'm not referring to .45 or anything other than the 9mm and the 40 so let's try to stay on topic shall we?

I hear that both rounds are lacking but I'm trying to choose between the two.  
I figure getting hit by a bullet sucks either way, but is the 40 that much better than the 9?
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:06:24 PM EDT
[#1]
I'd say 40 has the edge on 9mm.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:07:46 PM EDT
[#2]
.40 is annoyingly snappy compared to 9 or .45

If effective includes getting back on target faster, 9 and .45 win there IMO.

Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:08:53 PM EDT
[#3]
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:09:35 PM EDT
[#4]
.40 should make a larger wound cavity, though with a few less joules behind it.  They should be rather even.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:09:58 PM EDT
[#5]
10mm FTW!!! whos got the 10mm comparison chart?
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:11:02 PM EDT
[#6]
9mm much cheaper.  Since you can get about 30-40% more practice shooting 9mm over .40S&W, 9mm FTW!
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:11:29 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
10mm FTW!!! whos got the 10mm comparison chart?


RIF
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:13:53 PM EDT
[#8]
Thank you for the serious answers. To those that can't read or chose not to respect my request at sticking to topic, piss off. I should've expected no less from GD.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:14:11 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:
.40 is annoyingly snappy compared to 9 or .45

If effective includes getting back on target faster, 9 and .45 win there IMO.



Personally, I've never found .40S&W to be "snappy" and I have zero problems with follow-up shots.  In fact, I shoot my XD40 subcompact slightly better than my full size model, and in theory, it should be even harder to get back on target.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:15:51 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Thank you for the serious answers. To those that can't read or chose not to respect my request at sticking to topic, piss off. I should've expected no less from GD.


And yet you bypassed the many technical forums to ask your question here. Funny, that.

Dude...lighten up.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:16:10 PM EDT
[#11]
I came here because every time I go to the tech forums,they take a while to answer. I figured here would be quicker.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:17:16 PM EDT
[#12]
I've stayed away from the .40 simply to consolidate my ammo.  Plus, 9mm is abundant and usually on sale somewhere.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:18:04 PM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
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Don't like it? Stay out of the fucking thread.


I don't know if you know this or not, but this question comes up...oh...all the fucking time.

My answer is 9mm for what it's worth, only because the performance is close, it's cheaper, and more available. There. Thread over.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:19:11 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
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Don't like it? Stay out of the fucking thread.


I don't know if you know this or not, but this question comes up...oh...all the fucking time.

My answer is 9mm for what it's worth, only because the performance is close, it's cheaper, and more available. There. Thread over.


Well,I missed those threads apparently,thank you for your answer.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:21:24 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Well,I missed those threads apparently,thank you for your answer.


No problem. I'm here to help. When I can't help, there's more info about this very topic here.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:26:13 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Which is more effective?
Now,I'm not referring to .45 or anything other than the 9mm and the 40 so let's try to stay on topic shall we?

I hear that both rounds are lacking but I'm trying to choose between the two.  
I figure getting hit by a bullet sucks either way, but is the 40 that much better than the 9?

I dunno.  Only gun I ever owned in .40 was a Sig P239, and it was fairly snappy recoil wise.  Not enough to be uncomfortable by no means, but it was a bit annoying.  I've since gone to a 9mm Glock, got over double the magazine capacity, with less recoil.  Yeah, I'm shooting a smaller bullet, but modern 9mm self defense ammo ain't no slouch.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:28:00 PM EDT
[#17]
I can't resist,

  I am so drunk, right now. Holy... .40 mm Speer Gold Dot 155 Gr HP
Speer Gold anytime , anywhere baby. hahahah

 I reload SPeer GOlddot, 155 gr, hp110 ? If I remeber correctly ,
But I don't know what the factory load is, but out of my Beretta 96G, its a good load.

Kinda off topic but ?
Do they have an emoticon for Jerking off.. hahaha

Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:28:32 PM EDT
[#18]
Well, if you are talking about a 92FS vs 96...then I have to give the edge to the 92FS (better accuracy - 9mm) but that's just between me and my 92 &  96.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:29:54 PM EDT
[#19]


Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:37:02 PM EDT
[#20]
Meh. 9mm has killed a metric shit ton of people all over the world. It does the job, and at a cheaper price than 40sw, wich means you can practice more and get more accurate.

9mm FTW
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:40:40 PM EDT
[#21]
As an opposing point of view I seen a cop basically empty his 18 round double
stack into an assialient before he went down.. 9mm sucks.

Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:42:17 PM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:
As an opposing point of view I seen a cop basically empty his 18 round double
stack into an assialient before he went down.. 9mm sucks.


But would another .050" worth of bullet diameter helped him drop his assailant any faster?

I seriously doubt it.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:44:35 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:
As an opposing point of view I seen a cop basically empty his 18 round double
stack into an assialient before he went down.. 9mm sucks.




I thought you were not going to post anymore this year?



Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:45:08 PM EDT
[#24]
Only if it had that extra 10,000 fps you only get from Unique.

I am way too drunk to be online
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:45:24 PM EDT
[#25]

Quoted:
I'd say 40 has the edge on 9mm.


So would I.  So would the ballistic numbers.  

In fact, I'd go so far to say that 40 may be the perfect compromise between 9mm and 45acp.  Flame on.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:45:55 PM EDT
[#26]
That was the beer before last  hay 82nd
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:46:02 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:
As an opposing point of view I seen a cop basically empty his 18 round double
stack into an assialient before he went down.. 9mm sucks.




Are you sure he hit the assailant?
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:48:18 PM EDT
[#28]
Are you sure he hit the assailant?

well he may have hit the wall once, but.. the 17 other shots hit I am sure
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:49:33 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Thank you for the serious answers. To those that can't read or chose not to respect my request at sticking to topic, piss off. I should've expected no less from GD.


And yet you bypassed the many technical forums to ask your question here. Funny, that.

Dude...lighten up.


+1.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 5:50:13 PM EDT
[#30]
Someone actually put up a video of some good ballistics tests between the 9mm & .40 S&W.

They shot everything from sides of beef, to newspaper (wet & dry), to blocks of gelatin.

(Not Rick Roll)
Linky
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:04:45 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
Someone actually put up a video of some good ballistics tests between the 9mm & .40 S&W.

They shot everything from sides of beef, to newspaper (wet & dry), to blocks of gelatin.

(Not Rick Roll)
Linky


Forget all the training I was going to sign up for, that was all the training and technical info I needed!!
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:10:31 PM EDT
[#32]
9mm


Millions of satisfied customers world wide!
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:20:50 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I'd say 40 has the edge on 9mm.


So would I.  So would the ballistic numbers.  

In fact, I'd go so far to say that 40 may be the perfect compromise between 9mm and 45acp.  Flame on.


Now don't go there, I'll always take a 45 first!
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:22:30 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:
Meh. 9mm has killed a metric shit ton of people all over the world. It does the job, and at a cheaper price than 40sw, wich means you can practice more and get more accurate.

9mm FTW



this.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:24:55 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
Which is more effective?


Effective at what?




I hear that both rounds are lacking


"Lacking" at what?

And be careful about believing much of what you hear about guns. There are a lot of people out there who don't know squat about the subject.



I figure getting hit by a bullet sucks either way, but is the 40 that much better than the 9?


The .40 offers a larger permanent crush cavity than the 9mm, and .40 hollowpoints can open up to a larger diameter than 9mm hollowpoints. As a general rule the right .40 caliber loads offer better performance through intermediate barriers like windshields and the like.

Whether or not those advantages are worth trading a few rounds of magazine capacity and some extra recoil is a decision you will have to make for yourself and your needs. A number of police departments have had excellent results with their .40 calibers.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:53:20 PM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:
As an opposing point of view I seen a cop basically empty his 18 round double
stack into an assialient before he went down.. 9mm sucks.



Yeah? Where did he hit the suspect? How many times did he hit the suspect out of 18 attempts? What did he hit him WITH? The difference between a 115gr +P+ JHP and a 115 gr FMJ is pretty distinct.

I have pistols in .357 SIG, .45acp, 40S&W and 9mm. I lately usually carry the .40 (a SIG) but I have less than 200 rounds on hand. I keep a chit-load of 9mm around and have several guns in that caliber. I also keep ,45, 12 gauge buckshot and .223 on hand, but I'll use the 9mm as quick as anything....they are all better than throwing rocks!
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:55:06 PM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
I came here because every time I go to the tech forums,they take a while to answer. I figured here would be quicker.


Quicker, yes.

But you pay a price for speed, son.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:57:25 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
As an opposing point of view I seen a cop basically empty his 18 round double
stack into an assialient before he went down.. 9mm sucks.


There are no shortage of cases where every handgun caliber has failed to stop someone instantly.

I recall an incident where an officer I know responded to a convenience store holdup and the store clerk took a .45 ACP hollowpoint to the skull and was still up and walking around when he got there.

There are lots of things that can cause a failure to stop which aren't a function of the caliber being used.

Handguns aren't death rays.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:57:33 PM EDT
[#39]
I like 9mm better overall for recoil, accurracy, capacity and follow ups.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 6:58:08 PM EDT
[#40]
Issue: 9mm vs. 40 S&W

Rule:  All things being equal it is always best to have better lethality versus less.

Analysis:  I am not a fan of +P or +P+ loads as I believe that goes beyond what the firearm was designed for.  As a result I would rather have  .40 S&W than a 9mm all other things being equal.  However, I feel that sometimes the trade-off of more rounds of ammunition may give a person justification for carrying 9mm.  Sometimes concealed carry does not lend itself well to carrying an extra magazine.  

Conclusion:  I am a fan of .40 S&W, but I understand why some would select a 9mm. I would not want to get shot by either.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 7:04:17 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
Issue: 9mm vs. 40 S&W

Rule:  All things being equal it is always best to have better lethality versus less.

Analysis:  I am not a fan of +P or +P+ loads as I believe that goes beyond what the firearm was designed for.  As a result I would rather have  .40 S&W than a 9mm all other things being equal.  However, I feel that sometimes the trade-off of more rounds of ammunition may give a person justification for carrying 9mm.  Sometimes concealed carry does not lend itself well to carrying an extra magazine.  

Conclusion:  I am a fan of .40 S&W, but I understand why some would select a 9mm. I would not want to get shot by either.


But dude, all things aren't equal.

Due to the cost of ammo, shooting 9mm is substantially cheaper than .40, and every single person with a decent head on their shoulders will tell you:  Shot placement is more important than caliber selection.
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 7:06:09 PM EDT
[#42]
[quote]Quoted:
Issue: 9mm vs. 40 S&W

Rule:  All things being equal it is always best to have better lethality versus less.

Analysis:  I am not a fan of +P or +P+ loads as I believe that goes beyond what the firearm was designed for.  As a result I would rather have  .40 S&W than a 9mm all other things being equal.  However, I feel that sometimes the trade-off of more rounds of ammunition may give a person justification for carrying 9mm.  Sometimes concealed carry does not lend itself well to carrying an extra magazine.  

Conclusion:  I am a fan of .40 S&W, but I understand why some would select a 9mm. I would not want to get shot by either.

Your name is "Spock" right?
Link Posted: 12/1/2007 7:31:42 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
.40 is annoyingly snappy compared to 9 or .45
If effective includes getting back on target faster, 9 and .45 win there IMO.

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