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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:54:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/26/2013 6:28:16 AM EST by patchouli]
Would you feel adequately armed in black bear territory with 17 rounds of 9mm good quality ammo from a pistol?



Link Posted: 10/25/2013 6:54:25 PM EST
yea
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 6:55:52 PM EST
I have. I figured after 18 rounds, plus a new magazine; if it still gets me, it was my time.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 6:55:59 PM EST
Absolutely.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 6:58:57 PM EST
10 mm FTW. BTW, if your 9 mm was a Class III shoulder fired piece, go for it.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 6:59:51 PM EST
Capital Hill ain't THAT rough. I'd feel safe there even with an M&P Shield.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:00:58 PM EST
i'm going to bet those who voted yes have never seen a bear in person. even black bear can get to be huge.

Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:02:11 PM EST
Maybe with an MP5.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:02:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GrandfatherCoyote:
Capital Hill ain't THAT rough. I'd feel safe there even with an M&P Shield.
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Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:03:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2013 7:06:26 PM EST by curiomatic]
Bears can come out of nowhere and move fast when they're pissed, and you might not get a chance to get off more than a (frontal) shot or two. I'd recommend a revolver in .44 Mag or larger - carried where you can get to it in a hurry. It takes some practice to master rapid, accurate fire with a magnum revolver, so plan on that too.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:03:38 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:05:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2013 7:06:35 PM EST by Der_Hans]
FUCK NO!

Bring the pistol but bring a fucking rifle too. Something chambered in .308, .30-06, 7.92x57, or larger. Bonus points if it's a semi auto.


Originally Posted By thepinkmist:
i'm going to bet those who voted yes have never seen a bear in person. even black bear can get to be huge.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VZ6SjOcyGP4/TjkqjI2XenI/AAAAAAAABjo/jHVsy4bFECo/s1600/Big+black+bear+1.jpg
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And notice what he's posing with in that photo people. It's a RIFLE, because when you absolutely positively need to kill something to death before it fucking EATS YOU, you bring a fucking rifle.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:05:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Maynard:
If you do take a 9mm into bear country, be sure and bob the hammer and file the front sight off so when the bear shoves that pea shooter up your ass, it doesn't hurt so much.
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No shit! Obviously you commandos have never hunted bear.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:06:56 PM EST
not just "no way" but "NO MOTHERFUCKING WAY IN FUCKING HELL!!!!!!!"
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:07:44 PM EST
I've hardly even BEEN in bear country let alone hunted them. I also love 9mm.

But fuck that shit.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:07:49 PM EST
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Originally Posted By thepinkmist:
i'm going to bet those who voted yes have never seen a bear in person. even black bear can get to be huge.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VZ6SjOcyGP4/TjkqjI2XenI/AAAAAAAABjo/jHVsy4bFECo/s1600/Big+black+bear+1.jpg
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They are even bigger when you kneel down 6 feet behind them.....
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:08:09 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:08:54 PM EST
17 rounds of 9x23mm? Sure.

9mm Luger.. I'll stay home, thanks.

Disclaimer: I'm not from bear country, this is not intended as legal or medical advice.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:09:49 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2013 7:12:23 PM EST by johnnieblue]
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Originally Posted By Furloaf:
Maybe with an MP5.
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I'll take one in 10mm.

Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:11:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ANDROTAZ:
I've hardly even BEEN in bear country let alone hunted them. I also love 9mm.

But fuck that shit.
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Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:12:32 PM EST
Bow hunters do it with less than 9mm.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:15:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2013 7:16:56 PM EST by thepinkmist]
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Originally Posted By David4327:
Bow hunters do it with less than 9mm.
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I realize this is supposed to be a joke, but broadheads are wider than even an expanded 9mm, heavier too
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:19:05 PM EST
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Would you feel adequately armed in black bear territory with 17 rounds of 9mm good quality ammo from a pistol?



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That is the only handgun I have right now, so it is what I carry in bear country or whenever I go hiking.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:30:58 PM EST
If you plan to take a 9mm into bear country season yourself first so at least you will taste good. My suggestion if you aren't going to buck up to 10mm tie a bell around your neck and bring bear spray
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:31:56 PM EST
Well, I think YOU should carry a 9mm in bear country. Bears gotta eat!
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:32:28 PM EST
I guess it depends on this: Are you feeling lucky?
Obviously a whole mag of 9mm will stop most bears, but in a real life situation you might not get a chance to calmly dump a mag into the bear while it runs at you. You might only get 2-3 quality shots in and if they don't stop the bear things could turn grisly in a hurry.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:34:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2013 7:35:33 PM EST by Longroad]
I have seen a black bear and brown bear in person....F that 9mm..

44 mag shooting solid 300 grainers as a back up to something 300 win mag or bigger.

People that hunt bears carrying only bow's are either crazy or a bad ass.


Back several years ago when I was a reserve police officer in a town near the florida line we had a bear make it from a air force base about 35 miles away to the little town I was working in. The dispatchers started getting in calls about a bear up in a treeand my buddy hauled ass down there to make sure no one got hurt till a game warden got there. Sure as shit there was a smallish 200lb bear with a ear tag up a tree. Game warden popped him with a tranquilzer & the florida game & fish dept came and got him.

Another story I just remembered a bear was struck and killed by a car about 6 miles from my house.
News article http://www.andalusiastarnews.com/2009/11/02/driver-hits-265-lb-bear/

Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:34:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Visionary:
I guess it depends on this: Are you feeling lucky?
Obviously a whole mag of 9mm will stop most bears, but in a real life situation you might not get a chance to calmly dump a mag into the bear while it runs at you. You might only get 2-3 quality shots in and if they don't stop the bear things could turn grisly grizzly in a hurry.
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Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:46:16 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Maynard:
If you do take a 9mm into bear country, be sure and bob the hammer and file the front sight off so when the bear shoves that pea shooter up your ass, it doesn't hurt so much.
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This.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:47:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
FUCK NO!

Bring the pistol but bring a fucking rifle too. Something chambered in .308, .30-06, 7.92x57, or larger. Bonus points if it's a semi auto.





And notice what he's posing with in that photo people. It's a RIFLE, because when you absolutely positively need to kill something to death before it fucking EATS YOU, you bring a fucking rifle.
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Originally Posted By Der_Hans:
FUCK NO!

Bring the pistol but bring a fucking rifle too. Something chambered in .308, .30-06, 7.92x57, or larger. Bonus points if it's a semi auto.


Originally Posted By thepinkmist:
i'm going to bet those who voted yes have never seen a bear in person. even black bear can get to be huge.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VZ6SjOcyGP4/TjkqjI2XenI/AAAAAAAABjo/jHVsy4bFECo/s1600/Big+black+bear+1.jpg



And notice what he's posing with in that photo people. It's a RIFLE, because when you absolutely positively need to kill something to death before it fucking EATS YOU, you bring a fucking rifle.


This too.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:49:33 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Visionary:
I guess it depends on this: Are you feeling lucky?
Obviously a whole mag of 9mm will stop most bears, but in a real life situation you might not get a chance to calmly dump a mag into the bear while it runs at you. You might only get 2-3 quality shots in and if they don't stop the bear things could turn grisly in a hurry.
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This as well.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:51:39 PM EST
Ha, 9mm will have the effect of mosquitos on a bear. If you have to have a pistol, a 45-70 or .455 casul would be the way to go, or maybe the new S&W .500.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:53:40 PM EST
People hunt bears with bow and arrow all the time. So since a 9mm has more knockdown powah than an arrow......potato
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:53:56 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:56:03 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2013 8:00:56 PM EST by Luchs]
If you're hiking with a semiauto pistol instead of a revolver, I think you're doing it wrong to begin with.

This is what I have for a MINIMUM carry for hiking, with Buffalo Bore in it, and that is only for the small bears around here.

Link Posted: 10/25/2013 7:56:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2013 8:08:54 PM EST by Maynard]
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:02:38 PM EST
hard cast FP lead... yeah... anything else... not so much
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:06:47 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GrandfatherCoyote:
Capital Hill ain't THAT rough. I'd feel safe there even with an M&P Shield.
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Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:07:30 PM EST
If you have one charging at you this is head down you shoot him in the head bolts will Deflect of it.
You would have to hit him in the neck or in the spine and Server his spine.
If you were not aware of your situation and you had one barreling down on you he 375 H&H wouldn't do s*** because you probably wouldn`get up in time. Let's just say it doesn't happen like it does in the movies. A pissed off bear with a lot of adrenaline even after being shot can f*** you up..
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:10:39 PM EST
I lived in AK for years, I saw many bears, I felt ok with my P99 in the woods, then again I didn't worry much even unarmed, now if I were staying overnight, or fishing or hunting where I may be distracted from my surroundings, and/or creating tempting snacks for bears, then I'd prefer something heavier, but I never felt undergunned on a day hike. Only once did I have an interaction with a bear that needed shooting, didn't have the nine that day though.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:13:18 PM EST
Depends. Bear country where black bears don''t get much bigger than 350-400 LBS sure. Country with 400 LB + Black bear, Grizzly/Brown bear, or Polar bear are present, I want a rifle 30 cal and above.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:15:21 PM EST
Not to try and threadjack. What about an m&p in .45
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:15:23 PM EST
Taurus judge.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:18:34 PM EST
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Not unless the bear is tossing clay pigeons for fun.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:19:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By drewQ22:
Not to try and threadjack. What about an m&p in .45
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with a .50 gi conversion and some hardcasts sure
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:26:39 PM EST
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Originally Posted By sum-rifle:


They are even bigger when you kneel down 6 feet behind them.....
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Originally Posted By thepinkmist:
i'm going to bet those who voted yes have never seen a bear in person. even black bear can get to be huge.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VZ6SjOcyGP4/TjkqjI2XenI/AAAAAAAABjo/jHVsy4bFECo/s1600/Big+black+bear+1.jpg


They are even bigger when you kneel down 6 feet behind them.....


This. Oldest hunting photo trick in the book, and no one ever seems to notice.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:28:08 PM EST
i carry a fotay in bear country....glad I haven't had to use it!
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:32:17 PM EST
Yeah, I do it all the time. Bears in AZ are scared of everything 99% of the time. A few years ago we had one near the Rim ripping scalps off and eating dogs, but that's nothing a mag full of Gold Dots can't fix.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:34:35 PM EST
17 rounds of 9x57? Sure. 17 rounds of 9x19? Hell no.

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Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:36:59 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2013 8:37:58 PM EST by thepinkmist]
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Originally Posted By p2tharizo:


This. Oldest hunting photo trick in the book, and no one ever seems to notice.
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Originally Posted By p2tharizo:
Originally Posted By sum-rifle:
Originally Posted By thepinkmist:
i'm going to bet those who voted yes have never seen a bear in person. even black bear can get to be huge.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-VZ6SjOcyGP4/TjkqjI2XenI/AAAAAAAABjo/jHVsy4bFECo/s1600/Big+black+bear+1.jpg


They are even bigger when you kneel down 6 feet behind them.....


This. Oldest hunting photo trick in the book, and no one ever seems to notice.


it was the first pic I stumbled upon and wasn't too far off from the truth even if that photo is faked. most of you seem to think black bear means the size of a large dog. MANY black bears in the 800-1100 pound range have been killed. in some areas the average weight is 126-550 pounds for males. wiki

funny. because I remember a thread not too long ago about "ar15 vs glock 19 for home defense". and the overwhelming majority of arfcommers couldn't help but comment that "handguns suck and you should use a rifle". now when we start talking about a bear that can weigh 2, 3, 4 times what a human weighs, 9mm seems perfectly adequate. score one for GD I guess.
Link Posted: 10/25/2013 8:40:00 PM EST
The problem with 18 rnds is the time it takes to get them down range.

When surprised by a "beast", you need a round capable of eliminating the threat in as few a rounds as possible.

Then there is the whole 9mm -v- 45 thing...and that's with respect to stopping a man.
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