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Posted: 8/28/2004 6:16:08 PM EDT
Which is a better shooter, handier, more tactical, etc. etc.....
Other options added for color.
price limit is set at 500, so take your uzis and hk's elsewhere.....
not interested in AR uppers.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 6:17:53 PM EDT
if i was in the market for one I'd get the storm... it looks cool like something Batman would use
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:49:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 9:51:25 PM EDT by az-gunner]
Toss up between PC9 and Storm
Both share pistol mag interchangeability
Storm has more tactical options
PC9 is more durable IMO

Link Posted: 8/28/2004 9:58:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 9:59:37 PM EDT by Sukebe]
PC9's are pretty heavy for a pistol caliber carbine. Also the pistol Mag interchange is irrelevant to me since I would never own a Ruger semi-auto pistol. At least the Marlin takes S&W Mags. And the Kel-Tec will take S&W or Glock Mags.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:05:39 PM EDT
CX4. Same saftey/mag/slide release locations as a 92FS pistol and the same magazines.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:16:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:17:15 PM EDT
Can someone post pics of all of them please?
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:22:45 PM EDT
I vote for the storm. I have one and am really happy with it. Its light, and has a ton options you can put on it. The only thing I don't like about it is the mag release. I find it kinda hard to get to it one handed. The thing field strips fast and easy, pretty much nothing to it.

Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:24:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 10:26:32 PM EDT by Lazyshooter]
If Ruger had designed the front handguard area like Beretta did, where you could attach Pic.rails to mount lights, lasers, pistol grips, bipods, etc., they would have made their rifle more versatile. You can get rails that will allow mounting of optics on the receiver, but I don't know what height they are in relation to the standard sights or the ghost ring design they have.

I don't know what optics the stock Beretta sights will co-witness with.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:25:46 PM EDT
What kind of sick f*** doesn't list an AR-9mm conversion?
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:40:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2004 10:42:22 PM EDT by Thunderbolt]
I would take the ruger PC9, because it is rugged and reliable and has a conventional stock, I dont like the thumbhole stock design on the Storm.

the ruger pc9's stock just "feels" more natural and points and handles faster than a thumbhole style

I dont need any special rails because I like to keep the rifle simple with the factory "ghost ring sights"

the PC9 is a short handy rifle that feels similiar to a US M1 carbine except heavier.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:45:25 PM EDT
I'd take a 9mm AR or Uzi over any of those.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:52:59 PM EDT
I definitely prefer the Cx4 because its quite rugged and reliable. It has a well balanced thumbhole stock which makes it handle fast and accurate.

I like have the option of attaching accessories on the rails. Some carbines don't give you the option.

Also, the CX4 is lighter than the US M1 Carbine.
Link Posted: 8/28/2004 10:53:42 PM EDT
Howabout that Oly 9mm ar15 that uses glock mags? Looks alright and the mags are easy enough to find.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 2:18:36 AM EDT
Everything yall said bout the pc9 is dead on....
I had one and sold it, that's why I want another.
Pretty much a perfect replacement for the m1 'cept that there are no pistol grip stocks available cuase the hammer and trigger mechanisms are part of the stock. BUT she is very accurate, simple to clean, feeds anything but wolf, cheap mags. Only thing is she's heavy as a mofu.... I didn't like that in a 9mm carbine. Also the trigger pull felt like it was .0000001 Lb.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 2:38:02 AM EDT
PC9, because I cant have a CX4.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:51:21 AM EDT
I'd take the Beretta...it's the best of all the choices listed.

Bill Ruger caved to the Anti's and agreed to some of the restrictions in the AWB to protect the Mini-14. Fuck Ruger...
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:08:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:10:32 AM EDT
What about the Feather Rav. Anyone have experience with them? They look cool as hell, but I'd like to know about functionality.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:21:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 7:27:21 AM EDT by SigZiggy]

CX4 Storm

Hi Point 995

Camp 9


Feather Rav-9MM

Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:35:14 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 4:17:24 PM EDT
Kel tec sub2000

33 round Glock mags

Folds up so you can put it in a toolbox

The perfect carbine IMHO
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:03:27 PM EDT
yeah but how much are 33 round glock mags versus 30 rounders for hte ruger or beretta?
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:09:23 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:11:32 PM EDT
PC9 is the most durable out of the mentioned choices. Because of that, it gets my vote. O'yeah, and cheap mags too.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:11:49 PM EDT
jeez the rugers go for 20 and the berettas for around the same.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:12:48 PM EDT
Of the firearms listed, I have the hipoint, it rides around in my scout when I'm out on the property working,etc. Reliable as hell,ugly,but cheap $150. I have never had any trouble with mine and its had 1k rds of cheapo wolf run though it. An excellent beatre gun. Then again so is an sks.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:38:24 PM EDT
9mm Carbine Tests

My choice = Ruger PC9.
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:47:04 PM EDT
Storm = the ownage!

Link Posted: 8/29/2004 5:52:49 PM EDT
Kel-Tech w/glock grips or Uzi normal cap mags is a plus
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 6:24:45 PM EDT
Its between the Ruger and the beretta for me, guns are the only thing I prefer to buy American so the Ruger is my hands down choice. The lack of ability to mount weaver style mounts and shit is a problem though, I don't know what I'd do if I needed that sort of thing. The Beretta does also have a plastic hammer, maybe not so ideal on a GUN!
Link Posted: 8/29/2004 7:14:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2004 7:15:23 PM EDT by BlammO]
+1 on Kel-Tec Sub 2000 because I have one and I love it. The 30-round Scherer mag makes it even more fun. But I really want a Storm!!! (drool)

9 year old BlammO Jr. was more than happy to model just for this thread:

[Edit: Fixed linky]
Link Posted: 8/30/2004 2:07:34 AM EDT
sub-2000 is out of the question. while I don't doubt ts handiness or portability, I would simply not be able to not laugh at myself when using it.

"The lack of ability to mount weaver style mounts and shit is a problem though, I don't know what I'd do if I needed that sort of thing."

I have the weaver rail if you want it......
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