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Posted: 11/3/2009 4:40:04 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 4:58:43 AM EST
“Four young men in their 20s do not need to Taser and handcuff an 81-year-old.”

He has a point, a good seasoned officer would not do this. The young ones overreact way too damn much. Not enough good training.

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 4:59:47 AM EST
And other branches call Airmen pussies. This should make them think twice.

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 5:05:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By M4-Stag:
“Four young men in their 20s do not need to Taser and handcuff an 81-year-old.”

He has a point, a good seasoned officer would not do this. The young ones overreact way too damn much. Not enough good training.



Wilcox, described in court documents as being 6 feet 1 inch tall and 250 pounds


old man strength
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:27:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By M4-Stag:
“Four young men in their 20s do not need to Taser and handcuff an 81-year-old.”

He has a point, a good seasoned officer would not do this. The young ones overreact way too damn much. Not enough good training.


What should they have done instead?


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Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:28:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Originally Posted By M4-Stag:
“Four young men in their 20s do not need to Taser and handcuff an 81-year-old.”

He has a point, a good seasoned officer would not do this. The young ones overreact way too damn much. Not enough good training.


What should they have done instead?


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they probably should have cried and sulked instead.

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:40:32 AM EST
Or grabbed a lawyer to use as a club.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:49:56 AM EST
Use of force levels.

If they had gone hands on, they most likely would have broken a couple of his bones taking him down.

I didn't get hands on very often but it's the last choice....if you have a Taser, use it.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 6:58:06 AM EST
Originally Posted By M4-Stag:
“Four young men in their 20s do not need to Taser and handcuff an 81-year-old.”

He has a point, a good seasoned officer would not do this. The young ones overreact way too damn much. Not enough good training.



Well you could keep physically restraining him, likely to cause him more injury, or you could incapacitate his muscles so he quits resisting.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:36:49 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/3/2009 8:37:15 AM EST by 3rdpig]

Originally Posted By Defensor_Fortis:
Use of force levels.

If they had gone hands on, they most likely would have broken a couple of his bones taking him down.

I didn't get hands on very often but it's the last choice....if you have a Taser, use it.

So you order the old man to put his hands behind his back. He says "I'm physically able to do that" so you taser him to get him to do something he's physically unable to do? When you order a man with no legs to "stand up", do you taser him when he fails to comply? It saddens me to think that the answer is probably "Yes".

Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:38:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By Defensor_Fortis:
Use of force levels.

If they had gone hands on, they most likely would have broken a couple of his bones taking him down.

I didn't get hands on very often but it's the last choice....if you have a Taser, use it.

So you order the old man to put his hands behind his back. He says "I'm physically able to do that" so you taser him to get him to do something he's physically unable to do? When you order a man with no legs to "stand up", do you taser him when he fails to comply? It saddens me to think that the answer is probably "Yes".



Enough voltage can make anything possible.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:39:27 AM EST

Originally Posted By Chris_C:
And other branches call Airmen pussies. This should make them think twice.





It took 4 Airmen to taser 1 old man.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:39:50 AM EST
When in doubt, "Aim High!".


Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:44:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By Chris_C:
And other branches call Airmen pussies. This should make them think twice.



Yeah, because it's badass when you and three of your friends whoop the shit out of an old guy

Kidding, kidding, but I doubt this incident enhances the size of the Airmen's penis's any in most people's eyes.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:45:42 AM EST
Originally Posted By 3rdpig:

Originally Posted By Defensor_Fortis:
Use of force levels.

If they had gone hands on, they most likely would have broken a couple of his bones taking him down.

I didn't get hands on very often but it's the last choice....if you have a Taser, use it.

So you order the old man to put his hands behind his back. He says "I'm physically able to do that" so you taser him to get him to do something he's physically unable to do? When you order a man with no legs to "stand up", do you taser him when he fails to comply? It saddens me to think that the answer is probably "Yes".



Yeah, a lot of people probably would answer yes to that. And a lot of them can be found right here in GD.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:48:07 AM EST
Originally Posted By Lord_Grey_Boots:
Originally Posted By M4-Stag:
“Four young men in their 20s do not need to Taser and handcuff an 81-year-old.”

He has a point, a good seasoned officer would not do this. The young ones overreact way too damn much. Not enough good training.


What should they have done instead?


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Shot him in the head with their side arms?
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:48:44 AM EST
Originally Posted By Skg_Mre_Lght:
When in doubt, "Aim High!".




Doh!
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:52:25 AM EST
Yeah, because whenever I was done with a traffic stop, I just waved them on. Good Taze.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:53:30 AM EST
Love to see the dash cam....

Incidents like this make me wonder if people ever think "I wonder how it will look if I either: run from the cops, or taser an 82 year old man.

Idiots, use your words. My four year old is better at getting compliance that some of the officers I've seen on dashcams. Use your words and don't act like a dick.

I kind of expect 82 year old men to be confused and non-compliant.... not out of malice... but out of confusion.
Link Posted: 11/3/2009 8:54:13 AM EST
They were talking about this on the local radio this morning. Interesting situation; if both sides are telling the truth...I'd be tempted to put it down to miscommunication; drop all charges and take care of the doctor bill the old timer likely has.
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