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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:08:57 PM EDT
Does anyone make a legit 80% DIAS? I want to hand them out at the next gun show.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:09:59 PM EDT
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Does anyone make a legit 80% DIAS? I want to hand them out at the next gun show. This is totally not the ATF. I would like to supply you with the material. Please send your name and address. Again, this is absolutely not the ATF. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:11:24 PM EDT
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I hear Shotgun News use to be a popular place to buy such items.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:11:30 PM EDT
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Could you print one on a 3D Printer?
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:11:40 PM EDT
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This is totally not the ATF. I would like to supply you with the material. Please send your name and address. Again, this is absolutely not the ATF. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Does anyone make a legit 80% DIAS? I want to hand them out at the next gun show. This is totally not the ATF. I would like to supply you with the material. Please send your name and address. Again, this is absolutely not the ATF.  
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:13:32 PM EDT
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Here you go. 
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:17:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNo no, something more like this... 
Only perhaps requiring a little more cutting than that one would, so that it isn't so close to complete. And in the shape of a business card.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:17:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI laughed |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:20:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:20:19 PM EDT
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Japanese proverb
The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:26:02 PM EDT
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Japanese proverb Quote HistoryQuoted:
Japanese proverb The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. lol |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:28:46 PM EDT
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Japanese proverb The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Ironic response, given your screen name... I am asking simply if there is a legitimate source for 80% DIAS or LL kits, which are not firearms (just like 80% lowers), presumably used by FFL/SOT guys to manufacture post samples. I would like to give these away at a gun show. It would, legally speaking, be no different than giving away 80% lowers. Which is effectively giving away paperweights. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:29:36 PM EDT
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No no, something more like this...http://i.imgur.com/VL9pu5M.jpg Only perhaps requiring a little more cutting than that one would, so that it isn't so close to complete. And in the shape of a business card. Quote HistoryQuoted:
No no, something more like this...http://i.imgur.com/VL9pu5M.jpg Only perhaps requiring a little more cutting than that one would, so that it isn't so close to complete. And in the shape of a business card. You know... it would be an interesting project if someone put that pattern on a PDF printable on 8x11 paper. JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:31:50 PM EDT
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I like the idea
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:32:31 PM EDT
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You know... it would be an interesting project if someone put that pattern on a PDF printable on 8x11 paper. JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No no, something more like this...http://i.imgur.com/VL9pu5M.jpg Only perhaps requiring a little more cutting than that one would, so that it isn't so close to complete. And in the shape of a business card. You know... it would be an interesting project if someone put that pattern on a PDF printable on 8x11 paper. JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. In |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:32:48 PM EDT
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You should put your company name on these 80% lighting links.
Spite's Tactical. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:34:15 PM EDT
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:34:20 PM EDT
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You should put your company name on these 80% lighting links. Spite's Tactical. It is Rearden Armament, actually. 
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:35:27 PM EDT
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. True. So at what point is it a DIAS or LL? When you own a piece of sheet metal? When the sheet metal has a design sketched on it? When half that design is machined out? |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:35:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:36:51 PM EDT
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Can't you just wink and hand out shoe strings?
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:39:59 PM EDT
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. So it's no different than title one firearms. They are either classified as a firearm or they aren't. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:43:16 PM EDT
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Maybe you could have them laser cut to scale in thin stainless like a drafting shield. Then the template could be used to scribe the LL while the template itself would be unusable as a LL. Or die cut from card stock or plastic. Any material that could be a pattern but not usable in itself.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:49:54 PM EDT
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True. So at what point is it a DIAS or LL? When you own a piece of sheet metal? When the sheet metal has a design sketched on it? When half that design is machined out? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. True. So at what point is it a DIAS or LL? When you own a piece of sheet metal? When the sheet metal has a design sketched on it? When half that design is machined out? Logic says that if it does not in its current form make a firearm fire more than one shot per pull of the trigger, it should be fine. I think the problem will be with the NFA wording about "readily convertible" Dont know that ATF has ever "deemed' to draw the line on that for us. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:51:44 PM EDT
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You know... it would be an interesting project if someone put that pattern on a PDF printable on 8x11 paper. JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No no, something more like this...http://i.imgur.com/VL9pu5M.jpg Only perhaps requiring a little more cutting than that one would, so that it isn't so close to complete. And in the shape of a business card. You know... it would be an interesting project if someone put that pattern on a PDF printable on 8x11 paper. JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES. Oh, it's out there. But if the website has a ".gov" extension, keep scrolling.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:52:14 PM EDT
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Japanese proverb Quote HistoryQuoted:
Japanese proverb The nail that sticks out gets tentacle poop hammered. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:53:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ironic response, given your screen name... I am asking simply if there is a legitimate source for 80% DIAS or LL kits, which are not firearms (just like 80% lowers), presumably used by FFL/SOT guys to manufacture post samples. I would like to give these away at a gun show. It would, legally speaking, be no different than giving away 80% lowers. Which is effectively giving away paperweights. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Japanese proverb The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Ironic response, given your screen name... I am asking simply if there is a legitimate source for 80% DIAS or LL kits, which are not firearms (just like 80% lowers), presumably used by FFL/SOT guys to manufacture post samples. I would like to give these away at a gun show. It would, legally speaking, be no different than giving away 80% lowers. Which is effectively giving away paperweights. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:53:47 PM EDT
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You could always send them a letter.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:55:05 PM EDT
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I was under the impression that one could own as many "lightning link"s as they wanted,just so long as there was no AR for them to go in. Under some decision,they're just pieces of metal unless near an AR-15. I have no idea if there has ever been a determination about which point these pieces of metal become illegal in formation.For example,would it be legal to have the outline of one printed on a metal business card or would the outline alone be "constructive intent"?
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:55:54 PM EDT
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Yes there is if you know the right people.
Even then your looking at $120 shipped per unit. The right people won't sell to you either. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:56:47 PM EDT
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Logic says that if it does not in its current form make a firearm fire more than one shot per pull of the trigger, it should be fine. I think the problem will be with the NFA wording about "readily convertible" Dont know that ATF has ever "deemed' to draw the line on that for us. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. True. So at what point is it a DIAS or LL? When you own a piece of sheet metal? When the sheet metal has a design sketched on it? When half that design is machined out? Logic says that if it does not in its current form make a firearm fire more than one shot per pull of the trigger, it should be fine. I think the problem will be with the NFA wording about "readily convertible" Dont know that ATF has ever "deemed' to draw the line on that for us. Perhaps a letter to BATFE is in order?  
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:57:32 PM EDT
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With no intent, no rational person would be critical of this.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:58:43 PM EDT
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Could you print one on a 3D Printer? There are 3D printers that print titanium. So, yes. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 6:59:27 PM EDT
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I have a whole bundle of them.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:00:50 PM EDT
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Ironic response, given your screen name... I am asking simply if there is a legitimate source for 80% DIAS or LL kits, which are not firearms (just like 80% lowers), presumably used by FFL/SOT guys to manufacture post samples. I would like to give these away at a gun show. It would, legally speaking, be no different than giving away 80% lowers. Which is effectively giving away paperweights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Japanese proverb The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Ironic response, given your screen name... I am asking simply if there is a legitimate source for 80% DIAS or LL kits, which are not firearms (just like 80% lowers), presumably used by FFL/SOT guys to manufacture post samples. I would like to give these away at a gun show. It would, legally speaking, be no different than giving away 80% lowers. Which is effectively giving away paperweights. Pure genius. I love it!
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:01:04 PM EDT
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I have seen 80 percent FSSGs.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:01:39 PM EDT
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True. So at what point is it a DIAS or LL? When you own a piece of sheet metal? When the sheet metal has a design sketched on it? When half that design is machined out? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. True. So at what point is it a DIAS or LL? When you own a piece of sheet metal? When the sheet metal has a design sketched on it? When half that design is machined out? From what i understand, if i tie a pink ribbon on a barrel an INTEND it to suppress the report of the rifle the ATF scum may come after me for an unregistered suppressor. Thats's assuming I'm not politically connected, a LEO, or other protected class. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:02:22 PM EDT
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I got an 80% Glock auto sear of sorts.
Then again, I'm an 07/02 so I'm not wetting the bed everytime some people talk about F/A parts. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:06:59 PM EDT
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yeah sure that was your thread motive Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Japanese proverb The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Ironic response, given your screen name... I am asking simply if there is a legitimate source for 80% DIAS or LL kits, which are not firearms (just like 80% lowers), presumably used by FFL/SOT guys to manufacture post samples. I would like to give these away at a gun show. It would, legally speaking, be no different than giving away 80% lowers. Which is effectively giving away paperweights. What motive do you suppose I have sir? |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:09:39 PM EDT
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"It was all I could stand to allow those babykilling assault rifles exist but now that they are easily convertible to machine guns they gotta go - some even have shockwave blades on them!"
-dems |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:11:08 PM EDT
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. Please explain .................. I have an 80% Philadelphia Ordnance BAR receiver. Can be machined to 100% and made into a Post Sample NFA weapon by a SOT with the proper licensing. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:14:12 PM EDT
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In the 80's - 90's you could buy a sheet of paper at the gun show with the specs. on it for $5
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:18:12 PM EDT
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If Hillary wins then the "rule of law" becomes merely a suggestion. That means the COC violation for discussing something illegal no longer applies.
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:19:21 PM EDT
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So you attract the attention of the eye of Mordor. What could go wrong ?
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:20:46 PM EDT
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Please explain .................. I have an 80% Philadelphia Ordnance BAR receiver. Can be machined to 100% and made into a Post Sample NFA weapon by a SOT with the proper licensing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. Please explain .................. I have an 80% Philadelphia Ordnance BAR receiver. Can be machined to 100% and made into a Post Sample NFA weapon by a SOT with the proper licensing. He's both right and wrong. There's no 80% in Title I firearms either. It's either a receiver or it's not. |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:24:06 PM EDT
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mr. ATF I lost all my firearms in a boating accident and since then I find all guns icky ......
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:27:32 PM EDT
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Op is going to get loved tenderly
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:27:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:29:52 PM EDT
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He's both right and wrong. There's no 80% in Title I firearms either. It's either a receiver or it's not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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NFA is not the same as title 1. There is no 80% in the NFA world. It either is or is not. Please explain .................. I have an 80% Philadelphia Ordnance BAR receiver. Can be machined to 100% and made into a Post Sample NFA weapon by a SOT with the proper licensing. He's both right and wrong. There's no 80% in Title I firearms either. It's either a receiver or it's not. This is the truth . |
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:31:09 PM EDT
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yeah sure that was your thread motive Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Japanese proverb The nail that sticks out gets hammered down. Ironic response, given your screen name... I am asking simply if there is a legitimate source for 80% DIAS or LL kits, which are not firearms (just like 80% lowers), presumably used by FFL/SOT guys to manufacture post samples. I would like to give these away at a gun show. It would, legally speaking, be no different than giving away 80% lowers. Which is effectively giving away paperweights. Isn't OP the guy who was selling grenades at gunshows?
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Posted: 10/23/2016 7:33:11 PM EDT
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You buy those 80% glock kits all day on line ain't cheap though
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