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Posted: 1/31/2011 9:27:54 AM EDT
Anything i should know about an AR chambered in 7.62?.

Thanks!
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:29:04 AM EDT
[#1]
Tok or AK?


 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:29:50 AM EDT
[#2]
Why not a 300 BLK?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:30:09 AM EDT
[#3]
TOK.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:30:24 AM EDT
[#4]
Good ones are expensive, and once you get one you want more?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:33:15 AM EDT
[#5]
I just want an all purpose zombie/deer slayer. I thought i wanted a FAL. But i just cant stay away from the AR platform.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:34:36 AM EDT
[#6]
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:36:02 AM EDT
[#7]
Knights seems to be Ferrari

Larue = Lamborghini

LMT = BMW/Mercedes

All else = ford, chevy, hyundai, honda




Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:37:10 AM EDT
[#8]



Quoted:


7.62


If your looking at something in that price range do yourself a favor and get one of these.



http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct936.aspx



 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:37:45 AM EDT
[#9]
What kind of velocity does tok ammo get out of a rifle length barrel?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:40:28 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:
TOK.


IMO, 7.62*25 is a flash in the pan.  Its only legitimate support is based on cheap ammo.  Something that can change rather quickly, and pull the only reason for owning one.

At least you know .22lr is going to be around permanently...

However, this is America, buy what you want.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:41:22 AM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:

Quoted:
7.62

If your looking at something in that price range do yourself a favor and get one of these.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct936.aspx
 


They just look extremely heavy. The DPMS looks somewhat light weight. Why is DPMS hated around here...are they built poorly.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:42:12 AM EDT
[#12]
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:43:05 AM EDT
[#13]
I like mine.

They are considerably heavier.

It's my primary hunting gun.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:46:04 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Anything i should know about an AR chambered in 7.62?.

Thanks!


Buy a Fal is the proper answer.  Assuming you mean 7.62X51
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:47:33 AM EDT
[#15]


No no.  He said he wanted an AR, not a boat oar.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:48:34 AM EDT
[#16]





Quoted:





Quoted:
Quoted:


7.62



If your looking at something in that price range do yourself a favor and get one of these.





http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct936.aspx


 






They just look extremely heavy. The DPMS looks somewhat light weight. Why is DPMS hated around here...are they built poorly.



Ptr91 gi weight = 9 lbs give or take a few oz


DPMS Oracle = 8.3 lbs
ETA: As for dpms, I have no beef with them but I see them as sub par. Call me a gun snob (I like quality, HK, Colt, FN) but I would rather buy once and cry once.





 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:51:06 AM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
I like mine.

They are considerably heavier.

It's my primary hunting gun.


Yup i would like it to be my hunting/zombie gun.

The 7.62 is just a versatile round imho.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:51:17 AM EDT
[#18]
AR variants forum

or

AR10 forum

would be bset places to look for answers.

I have a 16" AR10 and really enjoy the rifle, however, if I started all over I would go LMT MWS, and not think twice...
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:52:40 AM EDT
[#19]
Quoted:


No no.  He said he wanted an AR, not a boat oar.


oooooooooooh my bad. i didnt realize he wanted a gun with shitty ergonomics.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:52:58 AM EDT
[#20]
Yea i think ill just go for the 7.62 NATO round.

And about the weight....your right there about the same.

I just wanted somebody to sway be back to the FAL. But the AR looks like it could be my next buddy.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:53:27 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:


No no.  He said he wanted an AR, not a boat oar.


oooooooooooh my bad. i didnt realize he wanted a gun with shitty ergonomics.


Slap fight?
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:53:35 AM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
AR variants forum

or

AR10 forum

would be bset places to look for answers.



Agreed!

Why are you in GD asking questions like this?

Variants forum is a great source of info.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:55:10 AM EDT
[#23]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
7.62

If your looking at something in that price range do yourself a favor and get one of these.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct936.aspx
 


They just look extremely heavy. The DPMS looks somewhat light weight. Why is DPMS hated around here...are they built poorly.


Not necessarily.  DPMS doesn't subject their components to the level of stress testing that, say, Sabre Defence, Colt, or BCM would.  That doesn't mean they're bad rifles, but it is true that the odds of a lemon getting past their QC is slightly higher.

FWIW, I've heard a LOT of good things about their 308 AR line.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:56:53 AM EDT
[#24]
Well thanks guys. Ill move this over to the other forum and ask some Q's.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 9:57:55 AM EDT
[#25]
Quoted:


No no.  He said he wanted an AR, not a boat oar.


My experience is that there is very little difference, weight-wise, between an AR-10 and an M14.

Armalite lists their AR-10A4 at 9 lbs, Springfield Armory lists the M1A Loaded at 9.8 lbs.  Just handling both, they seem about the same weight.  M1A is a bit heavier on the nose due the long stroke piston.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:00:19 AM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
Quoted:
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No no.  He said he wanted an AR, not a boat oar.


oooooooooooh my bad. i didnt realize he wanted a gun with shitty ergonomics.


Slap fight?



Always bring a purse to a slap fight
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:01:27 AM EDT
[#27]
And, BTW, don't get a 308 with a 16" barrel.  They are loud as hell and 308 really sucks from that short of a barrel.  If you must have a barrel less than 18.5", go 7.62x39.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:02:15 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:
Yea i think ill just go for the 7.62 NATO round.

And about the weight....your right there about the same.

I just wanted somebody to sway be back to the FAL. But the AR looks like it could be my next buddy.


I guess it depends on how much accuracy you want.  The AR will whip the FAL for accuracy.  The FAL wins on dead nutz reliability.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:04:07 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
Quoted:
TOK.


IMO, 7.62*25 is a flash in the pan.  Its only legitimate support is based on cheap ammo.  Something that can change rather quickly, and pull the only reason for owning one.

At least you know .22lr is going to be around permanently...

However, this is America, buy what you want.


Yep, but damm are they fun .... Worst case , I change out the barrel, and bolt head and pull the magblock and it's a quick change to another cal. Until then I'll enjoy shooting cheap with a little more nut then a .22



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Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:05:14 AM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
And, BTW, don't get a 308 with a 16" barrel.  They are loud as hell and 308 really sucks from that short of a barrel.  If you must have a barrel less than 18.5", go 7.62x39.




16" barrel is fine.  here is my mega machine 308.  i love it.  16" SS barrel.  


Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:14:43 AM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
Anything i should know about an AR chambered in 7.62?.

Thanks!


7.62x39, 7.62x51, 7.62x25? There is a difference.

Which one? Since you said, zombie slayer, I'll assume that you're not talking about the 7.62x25 Tokarev.

I almost said, 7.62x63, but I've yet to see an AR pattern rifle in 30-06!

I've got an AR15 in 7.62x39 and while the rifle is all kinds of fun and used to be super cheap, magazines that work are like trying to find hen's teeth. Kills deer though. Especially with those new Nosler tipped bullets I think Hornady came out with recently.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:15:50 AM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
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And, BTW, don't get a 308 with a 16" barrel.  They are loud as hell and 308 really sucks from that short of a barrel.  If you must have a barrel less than 18.5", go 7.62x39.




16" barrel is fine.  here is my mega machine 308.  i love it.  16" SS barrel.  
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5010/5277901441_538d4fc6f6.jpg



Suppressor is cheating.

We in non suppressor states hate you and your suppressors.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:16:15 AM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
7.62

If your looking at something in that price range do yourself a favor and get one of these.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct936.aspx
 


They just look extremely heavy. The DPMS looks somewhat light weight. Why is DPMS hated around here...are they built poorly.

Ptr91 gi weight = 9 lbs give or take a few oz
DPMS Oracle = 8.3 lbs


ETA: As for dpms, I have no beef with them but I see them as sub par. Call me a gun snob (I like quality, HK, Colt, FN) but I would rather buy once and cry once.
 


You're a gun snob.

I have a DPMS LR-308 AP4 and between its fit and finsh and accuracy I have to say that "sub par" is not an adjective I'd use to describe it. I chose that particular rifle because the quality and price made it a very good value. I also own HKs, Colt and a few other "premium" brands. My DPMS (both AR-15 and AR-10) are my "go to" rifles.


I have no issues spending more to get higher quality but, I do take issue with spending more for nothing of value other than a roll mark.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:19:41 AM EDT
[#34]
I dont understand the thought process that led the op to a decision between 7.62x25 and 7.62x51
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:23:45 AM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Anything i should know about an AR chambered in 7.62?.

Thanks!


Just make sure you get one that uses the SR25 magazine, LMT, LaRue, SR25, DPMS.  Even though Armalites are excellent rifles, not using the SR25 mag platform only allows you the use of moddified M14 mags.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:24:20 AM EDT
[#36]
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And, BTW, don't get a 308 with a 16" barrel.  They are loud as hell and 308 really sucks from that short of a barrel.  If you must have a barrel less than 18.5", go 7.62x39.




16" barrel is fine.  here is my mega machine 308.  i love it.  16" SS barrel.  
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5010/5277901441_538d4fc6f6.jpg



Yep.  The OBR is very popular in a 16" configuration
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:25:50 AM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Anything i should know about an AR chambered in 7.62?.

Thanks!


Just make sure you get one that uses the SR25 magazine, LMT, LaRue, SR25, DPMS.  Even though Armalites are excellent rifles, not using the SR25 mag platform only allows you the use of moddified M14 mags.


The .308 pmags have been made (modified) to work in an ar-10
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:37:13 AM EDT
[#38]
I want an AR in 7.62x54R
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:41:08 AM EDT
[#39]
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Quoted:
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And, BTW, don't get a 308 with a 16" barrel.  They are loud as hell and 308 really sucks from that short of a barrel.  If you must have a barrel less than 18.5", go 7.62x39.




16" barrel is fine.  here is my mega machine 308.  i love it.  16" SS barrel.  
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5010/5277901441_538d4fc6f6.jpg



Yep.  The OBR is very popular in a 16" configuration


That may well be.  But 155gr loads tend to get only 2550 to 2650 fps in a 16" barrel.  And, unless suppressed, are hellishly loud.  A 20" barrel will get you in the 2750 fps or higher range, depending on the load.

These velocity numbers are also taken from test barrels, which are always better than real world barrels.

I just don't want to give up that much performance.  An 18" or 20" barrel isn't that much heavier.

ETA: with all this said, I have had unholy thoughts of SBRing a Mosin Nagant down to 8 inches and installing a muzzle brake
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:44:55 AM EDT
[#40]
6.5 Grendel FTW!














Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:45:53 AM EDT
[#41]
Sig is coming out with a 7.62X39...
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 10:54:56 AM EDT
[#42]



Quoted:


I want an AR in 7.62x54R
Get a Waffen Werks AK54r!







 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 11:00:00 AM EDT
[#43]
Get the one that takes the cheapest mags!
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 11:03:27 AM EDT
[#44]



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Quoted:

7.62


If your looking at something in that price range do yourself a favor and get one of these.



http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct936.aspx

 




They just look extremely heavy. The DPMS looks somewhat light weight. Why is DPMS hated around here...are they built poorly.


Ptr91 gi weight = 9 lbs give or take a few oz

DPMS Oracle = 8.3 lbs





ETA: As for dpms, I have no beef with them but I see them as sub par. Call me a gun snob (I like quality, HK, Colt, FN) but I would rather buy once and cry once.

 




You're a gun snob.



I have a DPMS LR-308 AP4 and between its fit and finsh and accuracy I have to say that "sub par" is not an adjective I'd use to describe it. I chose that particular rifle because the quality and price made it a very good value. I also own HKs, Colt and a few other "premium" brands. My DPMS (both AR-15 and AR-10) are my "go to" rifles.





I have no issues spending more to get higher quality but, I do take issue with spending more for nothing of value other than a roll mark.


No doubt that I am, didn't mean to offend if I did as it is just my opinion.



As for there .308 I'm sure it is an acceptable rifle and will shoot just as accurate as the others but I would still rather spend a little more for the peace of mind.



 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 11:06:15 AM EDT
[#45]
Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
7.62

If your looking at something in that price range do yourself a favor and get one of these.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct936.aspx
 


They just look extremely heavy. The DPMS looks somewhat light weight. Why is DPMS hated around here...are they built poorly.

Ptr91 gi weight = 9 lbs give or take a few oz
DPMS Oracle = 8.3 lbs


ETA: As for dpms, I have no beef with them but I see them as sub par. Call me a gun snob (I like quality, HK, Colt, FN) but I would rather buy once and cry once.
 


You're a gun snob.

I have a DPMS LR-308 AP4 and between its fit and finsh and accuracy I have to say that "sub par" is not an adjective I'd use to describe it. I chose that particular rifle because the quality and price made it a very good value. I also own HKs, Colt and a few other "premium" brands. My DPMS (both AR-15 and AR-10) are my "go to" rifles.


I have no issues spending more to get higher quality but, I do take issue with spending more for nothing of value other than a roll mark.


x2 I have a DPMS AP4 and it is nothing short of awesome. The DPMS ar-10's are a different animal in terms of quality then the ar15 DPMS's. The fit and finish is amazing, plus they take pmags . If you want a step up go for a OBR. If you would like to waste your money for a name you can get a POF, or KA for a hefty price tag for relatively the same gun. 16 vs 18.5" bbl is only a difference of a few hundred FPS velocity so I really wouldn't worry about that unless your going 600+.

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 11:10:01 AM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
Quoted:

Quoted:
7.62

If your looking at something in that price range do yourself a favor and get one of these.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct936.aspx
 


They just look extremely heavy. The DPMS looks somewhat light weight. Why is DPMS hated around here...are they built poorly.

Ptr91 gi weight = 9 lbs give or take a few oz
DPMS Oracle = 8.3 lbs


ETA: As for dpms, I have no beef with them but I see them as sub par. Call me a gun snob (I like quality, HK, Colt, FN) but I would rather buy once and cry once.
 


You're a gun snob.

I have a DPMS LR-308 AP4 and between its fit and finsh and accuracy I have to say that "sub par" is not an adjective I'd use to describe it. I chose that particular rifle because the quality and price made it a very good value. I also own HKs, Colt and a few other "premium" brands. My DPMS (both AR-15 and AR-10) are my "go to" rifles.


I have no issues spending more to get higher quality but, I do take issue with spending more for nothing of value other than a roll mark.

No doubt that I am, didn't mean to offend if I did as it is just my opinion.

As for there .308 I'm sure it is an acceptable rifle and will shoot just as accurate as the others but I would still rather spend a little more for the peace of mind.
 


Oh, you didn't offend me. You said to call you a snob, so I did.

They make all kinds of rifles for a reason, people like different things. If you're comfortable paying extra money for a roll mark then, more power to you. I'll take my savings and buy ammo.
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 11:17:49 AM EDT
[#47]



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Oh, you didn't offend me. You said to call you a snob, so I did.



They make all kinds of rifles for a reason, people like different things. If you're comfortable paying extra money for a roll mark then, more power to you. I'll take my savings and buy ammo.



I completely agree; it's what makes the firearm industry so great, and as they say variety is the spice of life.



 
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:14:13 PM EDT
[#48]
If you're worried about weight, LaRue's new PredatAR in 7.62 is supposed to be under 8 lbs for the 16".  I don't know what the weight would be on the 18" but can't see that it would be considerably more.  I believe the price is supposed to be less than the OBR as well.  Might give them a look.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=219&t=199649
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:24:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Link Posted: 1/31/2011 12:51:34 PM EDT
[#50]
7.62x51 is expensive.
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