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Posted: 10/14/2004 9:38:05 AM EST
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Poor crew. At least this wasnt a passenger 747. I wonder why they tail broke off....Hmm. maybe a severe tailstrike.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:43:56 AM EST
Alrighty then.... can't say that I've ever heard of a 747's tail just falling off.

Ideas, jet gurus??
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:44:13 AM EST
It's all Bush's fault
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:45:07 AM EST
Maybe the cargo was too far to the rear, and when they lifted off they slammed the tail on the runway, with catastrophic results.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:45:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By nacrotek:
It's all Bush's fault



He killed Kenny.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:50:09 AM EST
The plane was registered in Ghana, which if memory serves is another African shithole. They probably have no inspection or safety standards.

I am not aerospace engineer, but I would be willing to bet that the tail fell off due to fatigue on the airframe and poor maintenence.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:50:54 AM EST
Possibly it was a severely stressed and old airframe. Those 747s aren't getting any younger.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:51:48 AM EST
I've heard of tails falling off before. It was a cause of a crash not too long ago too.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:51:57 AM EST
Probably the same guys who shot down TWA 800 and Flight 587

Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:53:14 AM EST
No mention of how long the aircraft was in service. Probably one of those "No telling how many hours on the airframe" POS's.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:56:01 AM EST
Unconfirmed reports have the tail hitting the deck before liftoff.

Here is a news report of a Singapore Airlines 747 that was damaged by dragging its tail on takeoff.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/62115/1/.html
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:58:23 AM EST
Poor maintenance, had to be it. One guy in my unit has a girlfriend that works at Hfx. intl. and she said groundcrew were saying there was a flash BEFORE it hit the ground. They shut down the surrounding roads as well, that are outside tha airport (except the highway.) Too bad for the crew and thier families.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 9:58:57 AM EST

Photo of a Flying Tigers 747 that had piss poor cargo load planning done.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:02:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:
www.billzilla.org/tiger747.jpg
Photo of a Flying Tigers 747 that had piss poor cargo load planning done.



Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:11:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:
I've heard of tails falling off before. It was a cause of a crash not too long ago too.



Rear pressure bulkhead failed due to bad repair job.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:13:26 AM EST
Repair work designed and supervised (but not done by) by Boeing.
They accepted responsibility for the failed repair.


Originally Posted By tangeant:

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:
I've heard of tails falling off before. It was a cause of a crash not too long ago too.



Rear pressure bulkhead failed due to bad repair job.

Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:13:38 AM EST
Load could have shifted too far to the rear on rotation, causing a SEVERE tailstrike. This coupled with a 40 year old airframe would be enough to rip the ass off of the aircraft. A 165kt headfirst run into a rock quarry is what did the crew in. RIP.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:22:45 AM EST

Originally Posted By KA3B:

Photo of a Flying Tigers 747 that had piss poor cargo load planning done.



That's NOT poor planning........that's a WHEELIE!
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:34:18 AM EST




Whats the whole story ? Looks like it rolled backwards off taxi way onto the grass and tipped back on tail. Ya usually don't park and load a 747 on grass !
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:35:33 AM EST
That 747 there is on the grass,CG shifted aft. When I worked at DHL at CVG,we had DC-8s and 727-200s,both of which had to be loaded with a heavy can parked forward of the main cargo door.That,plus a heavy ass tailstand would keep DC-8s from sitting on their ass,while 727s had the rear airstair down.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:46:20 AM EST
There is a PLAT tape of a Navy C-1 launching off of a carrier that had a load shift happen during the catapult shot.

They loaded a large ships generator into the aircraft and secured it.
Unknown to the crew the ships company guys who built the box only built a box and did not build any support structure inside the box to brace the generator.

Two previous crews had refused to launch with the generator because they had no way of securing the generator.

When the C-1 launched the generator broke loos from the box and went to the tail of the aircraft.
As it left the flight deck the aircraft pitched straight up, momentum carried it about 200 feet into the air.

When it stalled it hammerheaded nose over and went nose down into the water.

The mishap investigation said that anyone who was behind the generator when the plane launched was probably killed when the generator went aft, and when the plane nosed over it took out both pilots.




Originally Posted By CFII:
Load could have shifted too far to the rear on rotation, causing a SEVERE tailstrike. This coupled with a 40 year old airframe would be enough to rip the ass off of the aircraft. A 165kt headfirst run into a rock quarry is what did the crew in. RIP.

Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:47:57 AM EST
MK at one time flew DC-8s,this crash sounds like either it was misloaded,or someone got lazy and did'nt check the locks.We had a 727 that someone forgot to lock down a ballast can,can went back and forth down the cabin,knocked good sized hole near # 2 engine.
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 10:52:33 AM EST
Actually the nose strap that secured the 747 to the deck broke during loading and that's what caused the nose to pitch up.

About 15 years ago there was a DC-10 at LAX that did have the load shift during cargo onloading.
They were loading some heavy stuff, it was going forward.
The load planner had planned for the heavy stuff to go all the way forward, get locked down, and then the rest of the cargo to be loaded.
The guys loading outside of the aircraft lost communications with the guys inside, the guys inside didn't have the cargo locked down, when the outside team brought on the next cargo load the tail went down enough to allow the forward cargo to start moving aft.
The forward cargo loading team was not able to stop the cargo, when the cargo passed over the aircraft's CG it started to lift the nose up until the cargo hit the ramp and the nose was something like 20 feet in the air.

It took them 10 hours to offload the cargo by hand enough to get the DC-10 back into CG limits to allow a sling crane to lower the nose back to the deck.


Originally Posted By MattyMattel:
That 747 there is on the grass,CG shifted aft. When I worked at DHL at CVG,we had DC-8s and 727-200s,both of which had to be loaded with a heavy can parked forward of the main cargo door.That,plus a heavy ass tailstand would keep DC-8s from sitting on their ass,while 727s had the rear airstair down.

Link Posted: 10/14/2004 11:05:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/14/2004 11:06:22 AM EST by JFP]
The 747 that crashed due to pressure bulkhead failure was in 1985 and was flown by Japan airlines. I've seen pics of the alleged bad repair as well as pics of the actual flight (home video) before it crashed but after the bulkhead failed. BTW I have been building the tail sections for the 747 since 1984...
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 11:23:45 AM EST
OOpppss! I forgot that 747s have a rear cargo door,and load from nose to aft(unless it has a front-loading nose).
Link Posted: 10/14/2004 11:28:39 AM EST

Originally Posted By MattyMattel:
That 747 there is on the grass,CG shifted aft. When I worked at DHL at CVG,we had DC-8s and 727-200s,both of which had to be loaded with a heavy can parked forward of the main cargo door.That,plus a heavy ass tailstand would keep DC-8s from sitting on their ass,while 727s had the rear airstair down.



<=== Mechanic on said aircraft. I watch it get unloaded and loaded everyday. Occasionaly I may even fix one.
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