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Posted: 6/29/2012 5:38:04 AM EDT
Here are two pics I took at work recently.  The first is a 7000hp electric motor used to drive a 6-throw reciprocating gas compressor.  





This second is of the bank of recips in this compressor building.  There are (2) 7000 horse drivers with 6 throw compressors, and (2) 5000 horse drivers with 4 throw compressors.





Like a dumbass, I forgot to take pics of the other half of this building housing the three turbine driven centrifugal compressors.


 
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 5:52:39 AM EDT
600v?  What does it take to run that?  
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 5:52:59 AM EDT
Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 5:56:45 AM EDT



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600v?  What does it take to run that?  


7200v, IIRC, still about 600 amps.  I don't remember the size of the leads, but the conduit is 4".  





 
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!

This is natural gas delivery point to some larger (42") interstate deliveries.  When I was there discharge pressure was around 1100, but the station is good for 1800psig.  





 
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 5:57:54 AM EDT
i like these threads
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:00:53 AM EDT
Big machines are cool.  (insert Tim Allen gorilla noises)
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:00:57 AM EDT
Thats pretty interesting.. thanks for sharing  
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:03:24 AM EDT
Cool
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:05:23 AM EDT
Slightly off topic, and Im NOT trying to crap on your thread.  

This thread makes me angry.  nice engines......... but total fucking fail.   Instead of some massive NG driven engines to pressurize NG lines, now we have a national NG system that is gradually working towards complete reliance on electric power (but is cleaner and safer for the environment! ).  So, when the electric power goes down, so too does our NG delivery system.  This kind of inter-reliance makes us more vulnerable.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:12:28 AM EDT





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Slightly off topic, and Im NOT trying to crap on your thread.  





This thread makes me angry.  nice engines......... but total fucking fail.   Instead of some massive NG driven engines to pressurize NG lines, now we have a national NG system that is gradually working towards complete reliance on electric power (but is cleaner and safer for the environment! ).  So, when the electric power goes down, so too does our NG delivery system.  This kind of inter-reliance makes us more vulnerable.



Total fucking fail is right, and it's your post that's full of it.



1) The turbines I mentioned not getting pics of?  That's cause they're fucking hot right now.  I wonder how they got that way?

2) Not sure where you got this reliant on electricity idea, but it's contrary to what I've seen.

3) Are you a commie?  Forcing us to use a power source?  Fuck off.  We'll use whatever is economical.  





 
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:09:25 AM EDT
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!


You could run this on 480v.  I work for a pump company and a local utility has 2ea. 800HP, 1ea. 900HP and 1ea. 1,000HP all on 480v.  The conduit is massive - but it's all they have.  Typically, when you get above 500HP, you want to switch to 2300 or 7200v power.  

Here are some pics from work we did on a pump in a coal fired power plant - 700HP.  The pump did about 8000 gallons per minute at 250psi.  

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4994/pumpye.jpg
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:14:36 AM EDT
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Slightly off topic, and Im NOT trying to crap on your thread.  

This thread makes me angry.  nice engines......... but total fucking fail.   Instead of some massive NG driven engines to pressurize NG lines, now we have a national NG system that is gradually working towards complete reliance on electric power (but is cleaner and safer for the environment! ).  So, when the electric power goes down, so too does our NG delivery system.  This kind of inter-reliance makes us more vulnerable.


I had the same reaction.  I hope your NG transmission prediction is wrong.  Hopefully this is not one of the long trans lines this station is pressurizing.  Hopefully when a lightning strike takes out the entire electrically driven facility, someone does not freeze to death somewhere, eg. the consequences of failure are neglible, non-life threatening with minimal property damage.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:21:28 AM EDT
I need to take pictures of the oilfield utility building I'm building.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:24:03 AM EDT
That stuff is very similar to me.  I sell large gear units that go between large motors and compressors.



FYI. Motor vendors are a pain in the ass to deal with.




 
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:31:09 AM EDT
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That stuff is very similar to me.  I sell large gear units that go between large motors and compressors.

FYI. Motor vendors are a pain in the ass to deal with.

 


Let me guess... Philadelphia Gear?  

And I'm a motor vendor!  Take that back!  
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:33:28 AM EDT



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That stuff is very similar to me.  I sell large gear units that go between large motors and compressors.



FYI. Motor vendors are a pain in the ass to deal with.



 




Let me guess... Philadelphia Gear?  



And I'm a motor vendor!  Take that back!  


I do not know if I should answer that.







 
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:38:43 AM EDT
I've rewound several 200 HP electric motors years ago. I could climb inside the stator.
They were used to make "paper mush" that eventually became Pampers diapers.
We used to test them with copper "no blows" in the disconnect...
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:39:43 AM EDT



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600v?  What does it take to run that?  


7200v, IIRC, still about 600 amps.  I don't remember the size of the leads, but the conduit is 4".  



 
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!

This is natural gas delivery point to some larger (42") interstate deliveries.  When I was there discharge pressure was around 1100, but the station is good for 1800psig.  



 


7.2 kV at 600 amps?



Probably #2 cable.



 
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:42:08 AM EDT
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Slightly off topic, and Im NOT trying to crap on your thread.  

This thread makes me angry.  nice engines......... but total fucking fail.   Instead of some massive NG driven engines to pressurize NG lines, now we have a national NG system that is gradually working towards complete reliance on electric power (but is cleaner and safer for the environment! ).  So, when the electric power goes down, so too does our NG delivery system.  This kind of inter-reliance makes us more vulnerable.


I had the same reaction.  I hope your NG transmission prediction is wrong.  Hopefully this is not one of the long trans lines this station is pressurizing.  Hopefully when a lightning strike takes out the entire electrically driven facility, someone does not freeze to death somewhere, eg. the consequences of failure are neglible, non-life threatening with minimal property damage.

He is wrong, it is a smashing into a big transmission line, and we're pretty well hardened against lightning strikes.  

POI- we had a 4 unit station get hit directly by a tornado last year and it never missed a beat.  How the coolers survived is a mystery in its own right.

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Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:43:26 AM EDT
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!


You could run this on 480v.  I work for a pump company and a local utility has 2ea. 800HP, 1ea. 900HP and 1ea. 1,000HP all on 480v.  The conduit is massive - but it's all they have.  Typically, when you get above 500HP, you want to switch to 2300 or 7200v power.  

Here are some pics from work we did on a pump in a coal fired power plant - 700HP.  The pump did about 8000 gallons per minute at 250psi.  

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/pumpye.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4994/pumpye.jpg</a>


What's up with the 45 degree flange faces?

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Link Posted: 6/29/2012 7:45:00 AM EDT



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600v?  What does it take to run that?  


7200v, IIRC, still about 600 amps.  I don't remember the size of the leads, but the conduit is 4".  



 
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!

This is natural gas delivery point to some larger (42") interstate deliveries.  When I was there discharge pressure was around 1100, but the station is good for 1800psig.  



 


7.2 kV at 600 amps?



Probably #2 cable.

 


Just for curiosity sake,  I was trying to figure out the other one listed that has a 1000HP on 480..  Don't do much with motors, so not completely sure of calculating the circuit other than hp>watts>[email protected]     What would something like that require   (for simplicity, well say 50' run)



 
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 8:00:34 AM EDT





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600v?  What does it take to run that?  



7200v, IIRC, still about 600 amps.  I don't remember the size of the leads, but the conduit is 4".  





 

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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!


This is natural gas delivery point to some larger (42") interstate deliveries.  When I was there discharge pressure was around 1100, but the station is good for 1800psig.  





 



7.2 kV at 600 amps?





Probably #2 cable.


 



Just for curiosity sake,  I was trying to figure out the other one listed that has a 1000HP on 480..  Don't do much with motors, so not completely sure of calculating the circuit other than hp>watts>[email protected]     What would something like that require   (for simplicity, well say 50' run)


 



4 sets of 3 conductor #600 with a #250 ground in a 3" conduit.



I think.  I'm not an EE, so I am working off memory from past projects.  A motor of that size will most likely be run on a medium voltage circuit rather than low voltage.





 
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 8:02:24 AM EDT
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That stuff is very similar to me.  I sell large gear units that go between large motors and compressors.

FYI. Motor vendors are a pain in the ass to deal with.

 


Let me guess... Philadelphia Gear?  

And I'm a motor vendor!  Take that back!  

I do not know if I should answer that.


 


haha, well that means I'm correct.   we work on your mixers quite a bit!  good stuff.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 8:05:08 AM EDT
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!
This is natural gas delivery point to some larger (42") interstate deliveries.  When I was there discharge pressure was around 1100, but the station is good for 1800psig.  

 


I've done lots of work on the compressor ends of those while I was living in Oklahoma . They are pretty damned impressive .


I'll see if I can dig up some pictures later , there's lots of interesting designs out there , the horizontals are really cool
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 8:19:08 AM EDT



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i like these threads


Machinery good, Big machinery even gooder.

 
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 8:31:08 AM EDT
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600v?  What does it take to run that?  


A shit-ton of "C" batteries.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 9:14:48 AM EDT
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!


You could run this on 480v.  I work for a pump company and a local utility has 2ea. 800HP, 1ea. 900HP and 1ea. 1,000HP all on 480v.  The conduit is massive - but it's all they have.  Typically, when you get above 500HP, you want to switch to 2300 or 7200v power.  

Here are some pics from work we did on a pump in a coal fired power plant - 700HP.  The pump did about 8000 gallons per minute at 250psi.  

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/pumpye.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4994/pumpye.jpg</a>


What's up with the 45 degree flange faces?

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It's a specific type of check valve built for higher pressures.  The way it is made on the inside keeps it from causing too much pressure loss on the pump.  This particular application needed all of the pressure the pumps could do.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 9:27:14 AM EDT
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!


You could run this on 480v.  I work for a pump company and a local utility has 2ea. 800HP, 1ea. 900HP and 1ea. 1,000HP all on 480v.  The conduit is massive - but it's all they have.  Typically, when you get above 500HP, you want to switch to 2300 or 7200v power.  

Here are some pics from work we did on a pump in a coal fired power plant - 700HP.  The pump did about 8000 gallons per minute at 250psi.  

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/pumpye.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4994/pumpye.jpg</a>


What's up with the 45 degree flange faces?

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this is what i was going to ask.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 9:27:43 AM EDT
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600v?  What does it take to run that?  

7200v, IIRC, still about 600 amps.  I don't remember the size of the leads, but the conduit is 4".  

 
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!
This is natural gas delivery point to some larger (42") interstate deliveries.  When I was there discharge pressure was around 1100, but the station is good for 1800psig.  

 

7.2 kV at 600 amps?

Probably #2 cable.
 

Just for curiosity sake,  I was trying to figure out the other one listed that has a 1000HP on 480..  Don't do much with motors, so not completely sure of calculating the circuit other than hp>watts>[email protected]     What would something like that require   (for simplicity, well say 50' run)
 


We run 1200 and 800 hp electric motors off of 646mcm.   Each motor gets 6 leads.   2 leads for each phase in parallel.  These are driving by Yaskawa inverters.    Changing a 400hp motor 20 feet in the air sucks.   :)
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 9:29:31 AM EDT
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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!


You could run this on 480v.  I work for a pump company and a local utility has 2ea. 800HP, 1ea. 900HP and 1ea. 1,000HP all on 480v.  The conduit is massive - but it's all they have.  Typically, when you get above 500HP, you want to switch to 2300 or 7200v power.  

Here are some pics from work we did on a pump in a coal fired power plant - 700HP.  The pump did about 8000 gallons per minute at 250psi.  

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/pumpye.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4994/pumpye.jpg</a>


Here is the 900HP motor/pump that runs on 480v.  Notice the conduit size!  The pump goes straight down for about 60', maybe a little more.  That is not me in the pic but a co-worker who is about 5'7" - 5'8" tall.

http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/4227/dsc0695jx.jpg

Link Posted: 6/29/2012 9:34:37 AM EDT
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600v?  What does it take to run that?  


A shit-ton of "C" batteries.


We run three of these.   For our traction motors, we rectify it from 600vac to 848vdc and feed VFDs that invert it back to AC for the motors.

Link Posted: 6/29/2012 9:34:56 AM EDT
I saw 3 of the biggest motors I've ever seen on a job a few weeks ago. If my memory is right, they were 13,200 volt, 590 amp and rated at 16,500 hp each. They were running pumps with 74" suction side and 60" discharge sides. I think the output was 3300 gal/sec. each and they push over 300' of head. I probably should have taken a picture.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 9:36:16 AM EDT
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I saw 3 of the biggest motors I've ever seen on a job a few weeks ago. If my memory is right, they were 13,200 volt, 590 amp and rated at 16,500 hp each. They were running pumps with 74" suction side and 60" discharge sides. I think the output was 3300 gal/sec. each and they push over 300' of head. I probably should have taken a picture.


Damn, you should have.  Where were you?
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 9:39:33 AM EDT
At the bottom of one of the drop shafts for the Metropolitan Water Reclamation District of Greater Chicago. It's part of the Deep Tunnel system.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 9:48:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 5:51:54 PM EDT
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One of these days, I'm going to force my guys to keep our shop that clean.
That's the company mother ship, where downtime is measured is measured in tens of thousands of dollars per hour.

They have a cleaning lady.  

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Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:00:14 PM EDT
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One of these days, I'm going to force my guys to keep our shop that clean.
That's the company mother ship, where downtime is measured is measured in tens of thousands of dollars per hour.

They have a cleaning lady.  

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The highest/hour downtime rate I've heard is 250k/hr. The reason?  It was a Bosch braking system plant that was ran by the UAW. The plant managers I was dealing with said well over half of that figure was due to labor agreements and wages. The plant shut down a few years ago. Bosch said enough is enough, moved all the production capabilities to a non-union plant.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:04:21 PM EDT
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One of these days, I'm going to force my guys to keep our shop that clean.
That's the company mother ship, where downtime is measured is measured in tens of thousands of dollars per hour.

They have a cleaning lady.  

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The highest/hour downtime rate I've heard is 250k/hr. The reason?  It was a Bosch braking system plant that was ran by the UAW. The plant managers I was dealing with said well over half of that figure was due to labor agreements and wages. The plant shut down a few years ago. Bosch said enough is enough, moved all the production capabilities to a non-union plant.

Ouch.


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Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:17:01 PM EDT
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600v?  What does it take to run that?  


A shit-ton of "C" batteries.


We run three of these.   For our traction motors, we rectify it from 600vac to 848vdc and feed VFDs that invert it back to AC for the motors.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/s720x720/224890_3790999425724_848069811_n.jpg


We use ABB DC drives to run our traction motors. We have two 933KW generators powered by CAT 399"s.



Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:17:47 PM EDT
Wow!  Very cool.
I thought we had some big motors at work.  Our biggest are our three chilled water secondary pumps at 600hp. When they were first installed they would brown out a nearby (large) post office. Oops.
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:27:41 PM EDT
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Slightly off topic, and Im NOT trying to crap on your thread.  

This thread makes me angry.  nice engines......... but total fucking fail.   Instead of some massive NG driven engines to pressurize NG lines, now we have a national NG system that is gradually working towards complete reliance on electric power (but is cleaner and safer for the environment! ).  So, when the electric power goes down, so too does our NG delivery system.  This kind of inter-reliance makes us more vulnerable.


The best part is that we have NG fueled power plants which make electricity to drive the motors which deliver the gas to the power plants!
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:31:16 PM EDT
4000HP 6600V 300RPM 6000PSI 6 stage Air Compressor.  This was putting the poles back on the rotor spyder after a rewind.   I was just working on that same machine today.   Bad timing relay that brings in the run winding 10 seconds after the start winding.  

Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:31:27 PM EDT
It that a feedwater booster pump or did you mean 2500psi?

We have a 1.6mw cat running on landfill gas that could run 20 gas compressors. Only thing is there are no main NG lines run near enough for us without a big payout. If gas stays low for more than a few years there will be compressor stations all over like yours.

Have you added order ant yet?

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Wow, what are the compressors used for, what business is this? Cool stuff!


You could run this on 480v.  I work for a pump company and a local utility has 2ea. 800HP, 1ea. 900HP and 1ea. 1,000HP all on 480v.  The conduit is massive - but it's all they have.  Typically, when you get above 500HP, you want to switch to 2300 or 7200v power.  

Here are some pics from work we did on a pump in a coal fired power plant - 700HP.  The pump did about 8000 gallons per minute at 250psi.  

<a href="http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/pumpye.jpg/" target="_blank">http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/4994/pumpye.jpg</a>


Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:33:51 PM EDT
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Slightly off topic, and Im NOT trying to crap on your thread.  

This thread makes me angry.  nice engines......... but total fucking fail.   Instead of some massive NG driven engines to pressurize NG lines, now we have a national NG system that is gradually working towards complete reliance on electric power (but is cleaner and safer for the environment! ).  So, when the electric power goes down, so too does our NG delivery system.  This kind of inter-reliance makes us more vulnerable.


When the power goes out you can borrow my 5500watt generator. It will power one of those won't it?
Link Posted: 6/29/2012 6:38:18 PM EDT



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Slightly off topic, and Im NOT trying to crap on your thread.  



This thread makes me angry.  nice engines......... but total fucking fail.   Instead of some massive NG driven engines to pressurize NG lines, now we have a national NG system that is gradually working towards complete reliance on electric power (but is cleaner and safer for the environment! ).  So, when the electric power goes down, so too does our NG delivery system.  This kind of inter-reliance makes us more vulnerable.


Total fucking fail is right, and it's your post that's full of it.



1) The turbines I mentioned not getting pics of?  That's cause they're fucking hot right now.  I wonder how they got that way?

2) Not sure where you got this reliant on electricity idea, but it's contrary to what I've seen.

3) Are you a commie?  Forcing us to use a power source?  Fuck off.  We'll use whatever is economical.  

 
IIRC from a previous post/topic a while ago, we can blame the EPA for this. Apparently the NG distribution system used to be pumped/pressurized by large NG powered engines, fueled by the NG they were pumping - eg a self-contained pumping station off in the boonies powered by the fuel it was pumping.



EPA comes along and fucks with the emissions from the NG engines, and now all those engines are being replaced by electric motors, as illustrated here. Where does the electricity come from? From a NG fueled power plant.



Talk about a circular equation. With EPA disappearing up their own assholes.



WTF?
 
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 5:15:59 AM EDT
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600v?  What does it take to run that?  


A shit-ton of "C" batteries.


We run three of these.   For our traction motors, we rectify it from 600vac to 848vdc and feed VFDs that invert it back to AC for the motors.
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/s720x720/224890_3790999425724_848069811_n.jpg


We use ABB DC drives to run our traction motors. We have two 933KW generators powered by CAT 399"s.





Our older rigs use SCR drives for DC motors, but the company got away from DC drives quite awhile ago.   We run three 1204kw caterpillar  3512 gensets.

Link Posted: 6/30/2012 5:36:06 AM EDT
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Slightly off topic, and Im NOT trying to crap on your thread.  

This thread makes me angry.  nice engines......... but total fucking fail.   Instead of some massive NG driven engines to pressurize NG lines, now we have a national NG system that is gradually working towards complete reliance on electric power (but is cleaner and safer for the environment! ).  So, when the electric power goes down, so too does our NG delivery system.  This kind of inter-reliance makes us more vulnerable.

Total fucking fail is right, and it's your post that's full of it.

1) The turbines I mentioned not getting pics of?  That's cause they're fucking hot right now.  I wonder how they got that way?
2) Not sure where you got this reliant on electricity idea, but it's contrary to what I've seen.
3) Are you a commie?  Forcing us to use a power source?  Fuck off.  We'll use whatever is economical.  
 
IIRC from a previous post/topic a while ago, we can blame the EPA for this. Apparently the NG distribution system used to be pumped/pressurized by large NG powered engines, fueled by the NG they were pumping - eg a self-contained pumping station off in the boonies powered by the fuel it was pumping.

EPA comes along and fucks with the emissions from the NG engines, and now all those engines are being replaced by electric motors, as illustrated here. Where does the electricity come from? From a NG fueled power plant.

Talk about a circular equation. With EPA disappearing up their own assholes.

WTF?


The EPA has different regulations and penalties in different regions - which is one reason why gas turbines are still being used in some pumping stations. There may also be some "grandfathering in" of existing turbines.
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 5:43:41 AM EDT
That'd run a heck of a sand blaster!
Link Posted: 6/30/2012 5:49:35 AM EDT
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Slightly off topic, and Im NOT trying to crap on your thread.  

This thread makes me angry.  nice engines......... but total fucking fail.   Instead of some massive NG driven engines to pressurize NG lines, now we have a national NG system that is gradually working towards complete reliance on electric power (but is cleaner and safer for the environment! ).  So, when the electric power goes down, so too does our NG delivery system.  This kind of inter-reliance makes us more vulnerable.


When the power goes out you can borrow my 5500watt generator. It will power one of those won't it?

Probably not.  But it may run the instrument panel and you would know for sure the driver wasn't turning.  

And yes, we make some long jumps through tiny hoops to keep the EPA happy.

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Link Posted: 6/30/2012 5:54:42 AM EDT
Ia that stuff made in China too ?
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