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Posted: 12/16/2016 7:13:11 PM EDT
http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/a-new-film-about-young-french-women-drawn-to-radical-islam

A NEW FILM ABOUT YOUNG FRENCH WOMEN DRAWN TO JIHADISM

By Elisabeth Zerofsky   November 23, 2016

“Heaven Will Wait” draws from real stories of teen-age girls in France who joined networks of jihadists.

In “Heaven Will Wait,” a new film by the French director Marie-Castille Mention-Schaar, a teen-ager named Sonia is placed under house arrest after being caught plotting to plant a bomb with a group of other girls. Sonia sulks around her parents’ Paris apartment like any adolescent who has been grounded. She pulls up a video on Ansar at-Tawhid, a French-language channel linked to isis

“Heaven Will Wait,” which was released in France last month. Some thirty per cent of French citizens who are radicalized today are women, according to the government. In September, three young women were arrested in Paris after attempting to stage a car bombing near Notre Dame.

Mention-Schaar drew much of the material for her film from the work of Dounia Bouzar, an anthropologist and former youth educator who has become known in France, sometimes with a note of derision, as “Madame De-indoctrination.” Bouzar had been working with young women for years, in cultural organizations and through child-protection services, when she began to notice that some were developing relationships with jihadist recruiters on the Internet. “Heaven Will Wait” tells the parallel stories of two girls drawn from Bouzar’s files. (Bouzar plays herself in the film). Sonia’s father is North African and her mother is French, but both are atheists, and both are at a loss to understand their daughter’s susceptibility to an apocalyptic vision of Islam. “If I die in Syria as a martyr, I can save seventy people from Hell—my parents, my little sister,” she tells them. The film’s second protagonist, Mélanie, is an earnest redhead who lives in a Paris suburb with her mother. When her grandmother passes away, Mélanie finds solace chatting with a mysterious figure on Facebook named Abu Hussein. He tells Mélanie that she is “special,” not like other girls, and Mélanie is enlivened by their growing intimacy. In a quest to please him, she begins to submit to his demands—over how she dresses, where she goes, to whom she speaks.

Mention-Schaar shaped the characters of Sonia and Melanie around expert findings on “djihad au féminin.” Girls who become radicalized are often good students from middle-class or lower-middle-class families. Like Mélanie, they are often raised by divorced parents or in non-traditional family structures. (The sociologist Farhad Khosrokhavar has theorized that such backgrounds may lead some young women to fantasize about a jihadist as an “ideal husband,” committed to the sanctity of family.) The young women are also often, like Mélanie, converts from Catholic, Jewish, and atheist families.

One of the most publicized cases: a young woman, known in France under the pseudonym Léa, who was caught planning to bomb a synagogue near Lyon.
"I don’t want to scare you, but we are hearing about six new women per week."
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:14:04 PM EDT
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sa·cré bleu
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:17:12 PM EDT
[#2]
I guess they didn't adopt the "strong, independent" schtick just yet.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:20:22 PM EDT
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Hope the one who shot me down in a London pub is one of them.  
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:21:19 PM EDT
[#4]
Weeding out the stupid. 
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:23:24 PM EDT
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Does the Battle of Tours get taught in French classrooms?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:24:26 PM EDT
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I don't get it honestly how could you be drawn to enslavement
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:24:46 PM EDT
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30% women?
Hey feminists, you're slacking in the terrorist category.
Step it up sisters, you can really shatter the glass ceiling.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:28:44 PM EDT
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This woman is British but she gives her explanation
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:30:27 PM EDT
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I'll go get my belt
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:38:59 PM EDT
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http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/02/04/world/europe/rise-of-islamic-converts-challenges-france.html  "conversions to Islam have doubled in the past 25 years, experts say, presenting a growing challenge for France"
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:46:00 PM EDT
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Does the Battle of Tours get taught in French classrooms? https://i.ytimg.com/vi/UYeCQ8nmcJM/hqdefault.jpg
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is that the one that almost/could have wiped the 'religion' off the face of the earth?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:48:16 PM EDT
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Weak minded people have always sought some sort of controlling influence.  Too bad what they usually find is brainwashing.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:52:43 PM EDT
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Muslim Invasion of France in 732 A.D.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 7:54:30 PM EDT
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Kinda sad that Tours has been forgotten in France........... even worse that the world totally forgot the battle that really halted Muslim expansion in western Europe....... the battle of Toulouse in 721 AD........... Duke Odo (Eudes) of Aquitaine defeated a force of 100,000 Muslims while they laid siege to Toulouse and inflicted 80,000 casualties....... Muslim historians inflate the number to 375,000, lol........ anyways they muzzles called the place "Balat Al Shuhada" (plateau of the martyrs) for centuries afterwards...
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:09:42 PM EDT
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Kinda sad that Tours has been forgotten in France........... even worse that the world totally forgot the battle that really halted Muslim expansion in western Europe....... the battle of Toulouse in 721 AD........... Duke Odo (Eudes) of Aquitaine defeated a force of 100,000 Muslims while they laid siege to Toulouse and inflicted 80,000 casualties....... Muslim historians inflate the number to 375,000, lol........ anyways they muzzles called the place "Balat Al Shuhada" (plateau of the martyrs) for centuries afterwards...
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It seems like even more recent battles, against invading Muslim armies (although not France) have also been forgotten. Just 100 years before England recognized the independence of the United States.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:10:36 PM EDT
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Muslims invented the welfare state. What exactly did you think the EU was? 
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:14:58 PM EDT
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Cancer
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:21:39 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:26:15 PM EDT
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These things happen when you encourage hedonism. People grow up in it  and find out it's very empty, so they turn to something that provides rules order structure and stability to their lives. Since they've grown up being told Christianity is a scourge, Islam is a logical alternative.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:36:05 PM EDT
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Indeed - the original 9/11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEU9u5VvFkc
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Even U.S. history has been forgotten "Mellimelli's request for "concubines" as a part of his accommodations was left to Secretary of State James Madison" "the Tunisian was surprised at the social freedom women enjoyed" https://www.monticello.org/site/research-and-collections/tunisian-envoy
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:46:08 PM EDT
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These things happen when you encourage hedonism. People grow up in it  and find out it's very empty, so they turn to something that provides rules order structure and stability to their lives. Since they've grown up being told Christianity is a scourge, Islam is a logical alternative.
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Yep.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:47:27 PM EDT
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is that the one that almost/could have wiped the 'religion' off the face of the earth?
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No, it stopped the expansion of Islam into France and the rest of central Europe.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:50:26 PM EDT
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Its the smell. Smells like home.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:50:51 PM EDT
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The West is empty. That can't last.

Not long ago we found out that 25% of high school students in France are now Muslim. The cure for that, according to European members here, is assimilation.

How is that assimilation going? Who is assimilating who?

At first glance, the freedom and wealth of the West seems like it would win, hands down. Is it?
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 8:53:23 PM EDT
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These things happen when you encourage hedonism. People grow up in it  and find out it's very empty, so they turn to something that provides rules order structure and stability to their lives. Since they've grown up being told Christianity is a scourge, Islam is a logical alternative.
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Exactly!
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:02:35 PM EDT
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Those jihadi boys are probably more masculine than your typical effeminate Frenchmen.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 9:56:20 PM EDT
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They won't enjoy there last days on earth
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:51:54 PM EDT
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These things happen when you encourage hedonism. People grow up in it  and find out it's very empty, so they turn to something that provides rules order structure and stability to their lives. Since they've grown up being told Christianity is a scourge, Islam is a logical alternative.
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Appropriate screen name is appropriate.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 10:57:50 PM EDT
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"Bomb me like one of your French girls"
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:06:29 PM EDT
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Those jihadi boys are probably more masculine than your typical effeminate Frenchmen.
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Eggzactaly what i was thinking.. They are looking for bad boys, they find bad boys and get treated like shit and are happy.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:15:12 PM EDT
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These things happen when you encourage hedonism. People grow up in it  and find out it's very empty, so they turn to something that provides rules order structure and stability to their lives. Since they've grown up being told Christianity is a scourge, Islam is a logical alternative.
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Freedom is having an internal locus of control slavery external controllers.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:22:09 PM EDT
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Europe better have a Charles Martel amongst them...because I am beginning to not care anymore.  My field of F's is empty.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:36:06 PM EDT
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These things happen when you encourage hedonism. People grow up in it  and find out it's very empty, so they turn to something that provides rules order structure and stability to their lives. Since they've grown up being told Christianity is a scourge, Islam is a logical alternative.
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I have been saying this for years.  Europe is much further down the road of secularism but we are heading in the same direction. They are currently seeing more of it but it is coming here too.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:53:00 PM EDT
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The West is empty. That can't last.

Not long ago we found out that 25% of high school students in France are now Muslim. The cure for that, according to European members here, is assimilation.

How is that assimilation going? Who is assimilating who?

At first glance, the freedom and wealth of the West seems like it would win, hands down. Is it?
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Europe is lost, they just don't realize it yet.
Link Posted: 12/16/2016 11:57:07 PM EDT
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You should see the Battle of Lepanto.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 12:54:19 AM EDT
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Except on Thursdays.  

Link Posted: 12/17/2016 12:56:36 AM EDT
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"Draw me like one of your French BOOM
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:15:48 AM EDT
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Cancer spreads, it doesn't just stay put.  Multiculturalism and self loathing liberalism help it spread.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:17:03 AM EDT
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Drone don't care.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:24:18 AM EDT
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teenagers in general can talk themselves into nearly anything.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:24:19 AM EDT
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I personally I think this will lead to some sort of genocide against Muslims/mass deportation or they will be overrun and Europe will be lost and America will be the last bastion of freedom and western civilization.

I am leaning towards the latter.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:26:15 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:26:23 AM EDT
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These young girls want Father figures. Even the Lashings and rapings will probably feel appropriate for awhile for kids with Low self esteem.

Then one day they will wake up, assuming they dont blow themselves up before that, and wonder what in hell they got themselves into. Or they might actually fall in love with a boy and end up getting stoned for cheating on Long Beard.

I dont know WTF these Europeans are thinking. How can they think this is a good idea?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 10:26:40 AM EDT
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No, it stopped the expansion of Islam into France and the rest of central Europe.
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Then which one could have ended it? I remember watching a show on history or other channel that mentioned a battle/war that came close to finishing it before it really started.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 11:43:02 AM EDT
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The global caliphate will turn the minds of the young to it's control and breed the Infidel out of existence. Once Europe is under control, they will venture Westward until all the world is under Islam. They will not use armies as in the past. The strategy has changed but the end game is still clear. The caliphate will evolve to meet the goal. We are seeing this in real time. The caliphate never stopped. The Crusades did however. Now is the time to fight, push back and bring forth the Kingdom of Heaven by the edge of the sword. A new Crusade is indeed needed.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 2:50:48 PM EDT
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Never heard of PJmedia but saw this today https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/12/15/shocking-video-muslim-immigrants-ban-women-from-entire-neighborhoods-in-france/ Shocking Video: Muslim Immigrants Ban Women from Entire Neighborhoods in France

BY MICHAEL VAN DER GALIEN DECEMBER 15, 2016

"A documentary produced by French news channel France 2 has caused a major controversy in the land of the Eiffel Tower and the Louvre. The reason? The news channel sent a couple of female undercover journalists to neighborhoods and cities in France with large Muslim populations to see with their own eyes how women were treated in them. The results were downright shocking.

The women were told that they were not welcome in just about every single shop or café they visited in Saint-Denis. They were told to go home... and stay there. Of course, they were allowed to go outside, but then only if they were wearing a burqa."
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 2:52:38 PM EDT
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Fake  "news".
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This woman is British but she gives her explanation http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/01/05/article-1343954-0CA576FB000005DC-440_468x334.jpg
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That can't be real. 
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 3:11:03 PM EDT
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That can't be real. 
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Confirmed at the end of an article on Tony Blair's sister in law converting to Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1324039/Like-Lauren-Booth-ARE-modern-British-career-women-converting-Islam.html Former mTV host Kristiane Backer was also mentioned in the article
Link Posted: 12/18/2016 2:44:11 PM EDT
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Jihadists adapting their TTPs        New York Times By ADAM NOSSITER

DECEMBER 14, 2016

STRASBOURG, France — "One was a well-liked elementary school assistant. Another was a hard-working cargo handler. The third was a friendly grocer. They were longtime friends in their quiet suburban neighborhood, and they joked with teenagers and greeted children with a smile.

Yet in the early hours of Nov. 20 agents from France’s internal security agency swooped down, plucking the three and one other from their apartments, charging them with plotting a terrorist attack, and locking them up in a prison outside Paris.

Here was a new type of terrorism arrest: decently paid men in their 30s giving no warning signs of radicalization — no beards, no robes, no proselytizing.

And unlike many troubled youths in Paris and Brussels who have latched onto the Islamic State, they did not live on the margins. They had stable jobs and no previous brushes with drugs or crime.

It is their sheer normalcy that has had a thoroughly unsettling effect on the authorities and residents alike."
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