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Posted: 8/14/2007 3:38:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 3:40:56 PM EDT
Haha!
Ownage!
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 3:48:40 PM EDT
Stacked deck.

Power to weight ratio equates to the majority of crotch rockets (even small displacement ones) will easily eat lunch on a heavy muscle car.

Cool vid, however.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 3:55:32 PM EDT
'68 R/T

I will never forget when my best friend's dad, who were also neighbors, bought one in 1970. A blue one with a 440. He was not afraid to test her out either.

That is when I realised I loved the smell of burning rubber and asphalt.

Link Posted: 8/14/2007 3:55:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wildearp:
Stacked deck.

Power to weight ratio equates to the majority of crotch rockets (even small displacement ones) will easily eat lunch on a heavy muscle car.

Cool vid, however.


Excuses, excuses.

500lb crotch rocket vs a 2 ton muscle car = Rape.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 4:36:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2007 4:37:35 PM EDT by KirkP]
Dude, you're reaching. Far.

Stupid stuff like that will continue to be posted on the internet for as long as there are motorcycle owners who can't ride. A drag race car that runs mid 10s is no threat on the strip, and it's a joke anywhere else.

But the truth is, there isn't a 1000cc Japanese sport bike made since the new millenium that won't roll right off the showroom floor and put that thing right back on the trailer that it arrived on. And unlike the cage, they don't need slicks, race gas, open headers, or to be geared for a 125 mph top speed. They stop hard, corner hard, top 180 mph, run on pump gas, start every time, don't leak, don't blow up, have a full factory warranty (that you'll never use), get 40 mpg, and cost a fraction of what it cost to put that cage together.

Here are numbers right off of Sport Rider's web site:

HONDA:
CBR1000RR ('04) 10.16 @ 142.1
CBR1000RR ('05) 9.95 @ 144.1
CBR1000RR ('06) 9.898 @ 146.47

KAWASAKI:
ZX-9R ('00) 10.06 @ 138.96
ZX-9R ('02) 10.19 @ 137.90
ZX-10R ('04) 9.92 @ 147.4
ZX-10R ('05) 9.78 @ 148.5
ZX-10R ('06) 9.764 @ 149.08

SUZUKI:
GSX-R1000 ('01) 10.10 @ 141.70
GSX-R1000 ('02) 9.92 @ 144.96
GSX-R1000 ('03) 10.09 @ 141.45
GSX-R1000 ('04) 9.96 @ 144.7
GSX-R1000 ('05) 9.79 @ 148.4
GSX-R1000 ('06) 9.774 @ 148.69

YAMAHA:
YZF-R1 ('00) 10.26 @ 135.3
YZF-R1 ('02) 10.10 @ 141.75
YZF-R1 ('04) 9.93 @ 147.4
YZF-R1 ('05) 9.92 @ 149.3
YZF-R1 ('06) 9.772 @ 147.79
YZF-R1 ('07) 9.86 @ 147.0

And keep in mind, this is as slow as showroom stock bikes get. Modified street bikes compteting in AMA Prostar that have been in the low 7's at over 200 mph for several years now, on DOT tires and gasoline. License plates, registrations, and insurance. No slicks, no wheelie bars, and no slider clutches.




Link Posted: 8/14/2007 4:37:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KirkP:
Dude, you're reaching. Far.

Stupid stuff like that will continue to be posted on the internet for as long as there are motorcycle owners who can't ride. A drag race car that runs mid 10s is no threat on the strip, and it's a joke anywhere else.

But the truth is, there isn't a 1000cc Japanese sport bike made since the new millenium that won't roll right off the showroom floor and put that thing right back on the trailer that it arrived on. And unlike the cage, they don't need slicks, race gas, open headers, or to be geared for a 125 mph top speed. They stop hard, corner hard, run on pump gas, start every time, don't leak, don't blow up, have a full factory warranty (that you'll never use), get 40 mpg, and cost a fraction of what it cost to put that cage together.

Here are numbers right off of Sport Rider's web site:


HONDA:
CBR1000RR ('04) 10.16 @ 142.1
CBR1000RR ('05) 9.95 @ 144.1
CBR1000RR ('06) 9.898 @ 146.47

KAWASAKI:
ZX-9R ('00) 10.06 @ 138.96
ZX-9R ('02) 10.19 @ 137.90
ZX-10R ('04) 9.92 @ 147.4
ZX-10R ('05) 9.78 @ 148.5
ZX-10R ('06) 9.764 @ 149.08

SUZUKI:
GSX-R1000 ('01) 10.10 @ 141.70
GSX-R1000 ('02) 9.92 @ 144.96
GSX-R1000 ('03) 10.09 @ 141.45
GSX-R1000 ('04) 9.96 @ 144.7
GSX-R1000 ('05) 9.79 @ 148.4
GSX-R1000 ('06) 9.774 @ 148.69

YAMAHA:
YZF-R1 ('00) 10.26 @ 135.3
YZF-R1 ('02) 10.10 @ 141.75
YZF-R1 ('04) 9.93 @ 147.4
YZF-R1 ('05) 9.92 @ 149.3
YZF-R1 ('06) 9.772 @ 147.79
YZF-R1 ('07) 9.86 @ 147.0

And keep in mind, this is as slow as showroom stock bikes get. Modified street bikes compteting in AMA Prostar that have been in the low 7's at over 200 mph for several years now, on DOT tires and gasoline. License plates, registrations, and insurance. No slicks, no wheelie bars, and no slider clutches.






lol, man once again.

TWO WHEEL, SINGLE PASSENGER LIGHT WEIGHT BIKE

VS.

FOUR WHEEL, 2 TON, TANK

I don't give a shit about statistics, that's fucking embarrassing.

Bragging about bikes beating cars, is retarded.

Laughing when a car beats a bike, is hilarious.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 4:40:32 PM EDT
You tell 'em,Kirk!
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 5:13:14 PM EDT
Here's another dose of reality:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifrk6JeCafo

Ever seen a cage do that?
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 5:30:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2007 5:32:41 PM EDT by KirkP]
Go-Ped vs. Nitrous Oxide-injected WS6 Ram-Air Trans-Am:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dag8EVyqW34
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 5:39:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KirkP:
Here's another dose of reality:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifrk6JeCafo

Ever seen a cage do that?


HOLY MOTHER OF JESUS!!!

That makes my (former) '86 GSXR1100R look like a Spree...

WOW!


Mark.

Link Posted: 8/14/2007 5:55:21 PM EDT
I have:

Link Posted: 8/14/2007 5:57:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KirkP:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
Anyone could...blah, blah, blah... and go 200+ mph.



Really.

You throw that around like going 200 mph is a little thing. Have you ever done it?


I have wrapped around past 170 on my ex bandit.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:32:02 PM EDT
7.15 @ 195 mph from a normally-aspirated gasoline-burning street bike on DOT tires. No wheelie bar, no slick, and no turbo:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M-9jt-lRyc

Kind of like Wile E. Coyote on the ACME rocket with handlebars.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:38:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KirkP:
CSM-

"Cool" is subjective. Don't give yourself a hernia pursuing it.


You get it, but you probably are the stereotype.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:46:09 PM EDT
If you put a crappy rider on a fast bike....any decently fast car will beat the bike off of the line until the bike catches up.

If you put a crappy rider on a fast bike....and race a car from a rolling stop, most of the skill that is needed to launch a bike from a dead stop is not needed.....so it's more of a bike vs. car than a rider vs. driver.

Also....bikes are not very aerodynamic over about 100mph or so....that's why you see a bunch of modded twin-turbo cars (and other mods) cathing up to bikes around the triple digit mark.

It's hard to argue that bikes are not fast......most stock 1000's will run high 9's with a good rider....it's hard to beat that on the street if you are racing from a rolling start.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:47:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KirkP:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
Anyone could...blah, blah, blah... and go 200+ mph.



Really.

You throw that around like going 200 mph is a little thing. Have you ever done it?


Actually I have, and it wasn't in a plastic canoe with two wheels and an engine.

I've taken TT Vipers into 240+, looks like your bike is lacking.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:51:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:

Originally Posted By KirkP:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
Anyone could...blah, blah, blah... and go 200+ mph.



Really.

You throw that around like going 200 mph is a little thing. Have you ever done it?


Actually I have, and it wasn't in a plastic canoe with two wheels and an engine.

I've taken TT Vipers into 240+, looks like your bike is lacking.



Only problem is that a TT Viper probably costs 10+ x's more than a bike that can run 200mph
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:52:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CSM:

Originally Posted By KirkP:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
Anyone could...blah, blah, blah... and go 200+ mph.



Really.

You throw that around like going 200 mph is a little thing. Have you ever done it?


I have.

That 68 Charger is a pretty good car. The bike is fair as bikes go. The track is shitty as hell. The Charger beat the bike out of the hole, and might have beat the bike to the finish line. What is the big deal?

I think the deal is that we have a bike vs car argument. Joe Blow has 12,000 and buys a bike, and usually acts like an inflamed asshole and kills himself. This is what we all see. The bike took no work to get, no skill to blast around for a while, and it was annoying while he was alive. The car on the other hand, took years of work, sounds fucking bad ass, and is almost never abused on the street.

I was at bandimere last weekend helping a friend in the pits. There were two drag bikes that ran in the 8s. There were cars that ran in the 8s. Guess which were cooler to the majority of the audience and racers? Bikes just don't have that cool factor that cars have to most people. We love to see you guys lose because we don't like your stereotype. You may be a great guy, but on the internet, we still laugh at "that biker dude."


Rice Rocket riders are usually the most smug douche bags in existence. (Unlike Harley/Chopper/Cruiser riders)

They gloat about them as if I couldn't put a 1.6 liter engine on my Barbecue Grill and run the 1/4 mile in 9 seconds.

Bikes are cool, but a biker racing a car then going "LOLOL IM SO SUPER FAST", is about as cool as a retard.

On the other hand tuning, and powering a 3,850 lb four wheel car that can beat a wheelchair with an engine, is impressive and happens quite often.

I have to find the video I posted here when I first joined of the Chevy Nova destroying a GSXR.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:53:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By imq707s:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:

Originally Posted By KirkP:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
Anyone could...blah, blah, blah... and go 200+ mph.



Really.

You throw that around like going 200 mph is a little thing. Have you ever done it?


Actually I have, and it wasn't in a plastic canoe with two wheels and an engine.

I've taken TT Vipers into 240+, looks like your bike is lacking.



Only problem is that a TT Viper probably costs 10+ x's more than a bike that can run 200mph


Right but no one is debating that bikes aren't cool.

I'm just debating, that it takes skill to turn a 2 ton'er into hell on wheels that can destroy bikes and it doesn't take any skill AT ALL to get a bike to beat a car.

This is where Kirk is confused.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:56:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:

Originally Posted By imq707s:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:

Originally Posted By KirkP:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
Anyone could...blah, blah, blah... and go 200+ mph.



Really.

You throw that around like going 200 mph is a little thing. Have you ever done it?


Actually I have, and it wasn't in a plastic canoe with two wheels and an engine.

I've taken TT Vipers into 240+, looks like your bike is lacking.



Only problem is that a TT Viper probably costs 10+ x's more than a bike that can run 200mph


Right but no one is debating that bikes aren't cool.

I'm just debating, that it takes skill to turn a 2 ton'er into hell on wheels that can destroy bikes and it doesn't take any skill AT ALL to get a bike to beat a car.

This is where Kirk is confused.



Yes, I will agree with you there. You can put any moron on a 9-second bike, and even if they can't ride worth a darn, then will still be able to run high 10's....and that will spank about any car you will ever see on the street (not taking into account street/strip or ProStreet cars).

Link Posted: 8/14/2007 6:59:14 PM EDT
Just think of it this way......

A 400lb bike with 170hp is like a 3000lb car with 1275hp. Kind of hard to compete with that.......even if the guy on the bike has no skill at all. With that much of a power to weight advantage, it's hard not to win.

Link Posted: 8/14/2007 7:00:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
I've taken TT Vipers into 240+


Playstations don't count.

Link Posted: 8/14/2007 7:01:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By imq707s:
Just think of it this way......

A 400lb bike with 170hp is like a 3000lb car with 1275hp. Kind of hard to compete with that.......even if the guy on the bike has no skill at all. With that much of a power to weight advantage, it's hard not to win.



Exactly thats why it's hilarious when cars beat a bike, but vice versa it's just normal and lame, unless of course challenged by some moron in a Civic.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 7:07:51 PM EDT
Actually, it takes some skill to ride well. Anybody can stick a car in drive and stand on the gas.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 7:09:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KirkP:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
I've taken TT Vipers into 240+


Playstations don't count.



Is someone upset, his 2,000$ Fart can couldn't top out as much as I did.

Don't cry little baby.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 7:10:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KirkP:
Actually, it takes some skill to ride well. Anybody can stick a car in drive and stand on the gas.


Yes, because it takes years of experience to learn how to balance and twist a throttle. We learn that when we ride bikes with training wheels.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 7:12:01 PM EDT
Mr. Cuda, you seem to have an unhealthy emotional involvement to this debate.

Just to be clear, I do not think that you are any less of a man just because of your opinion. You do not need to feel threatened by the fundamentals of physics.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 7:12:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 7:15:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KirkP:
Mr. Cuda, you seem to have an unhealthy emotional involvement to this debate.

Just to be clear, I do not think that you are any less of a man just because of your opinion. You do not need to feel threatened by the fundamentals of physics.


Not at all, notice who intervened in this thread throwing a shit fit?

I'm merely debating my side, which is fact.

My 572ci Chevelle could have topped out higher than your bike did with 3.73 gears.
Link Posted: 8/14/2007 8:13:34 PM EDT
Yawn.

You can get a purpose built drag racing car to beat a showroom stock bike, is this news to anyone? Hell, if you throw enough money, you can even get a race car to beat a race bike, so what?

Give me a road race course over a drag strip any day, and yes, I know you can get cars to run faster through a road race course than a bike also.

Racing different types of vehicles is retarded. Racing is supposed to be about skill of the racers, not the inherent differences between vehicles.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 12:57:56 AM EDT
bikes are for poor people that can't afford cars
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 4:35:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sirbordsalot311:
bikes are for poor people that can't afford cars

I nominate you for the most intelligent post of the day award. Thank you for your brilliant contribution to this thread.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 4:41:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By jeremy223:

Originally Posted By sirbordsalot311:
bikes are for poor people that can't afford cars

I nominate you for the most intelligent post of the day award. Thank you for your brilliant contribution to this thread.

+10

Link Posted: 8/15/2007 4:51:36 AM EDT
HAD a '68 Charger,.... VIN was XS29J8B
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 5:01:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By imq707s:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:

Originally Posted By KirkP:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
Anyone could...blah, blah, blah... and go 200+ mph.



Really.

You throw that around like going 200 mph is a little thing. Have you ever done it?


Actually I have, and it wasn't in a plastic canoe with two wheels and an engine.

I've taken TT Vipers into 240+, looks like your bike is lacking.



Only problem is that a TT Viper probably costs 10+ x's more than a bike that can run 200mph


Yeah, but if starts raining I'd be dry and you'd be soaking wet

Link Posted: 8/15/2007 7:36:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 7:36:44 AM EDT by 00_buckshot]
Cars are so impersonal. There is no sense of being in harmony with the machine. I could give a shit which is faster. I'll take the bike any day.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 7:39:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 00_buckshot:
Cars are so impersonal. There is no sense of being in harmony with the machine. I could give a shit which is faster. I'll take the bike any day.


Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:00:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 8:29:08 AM EDT by gus]
I'd rather own a 1968 Charger with a blown up 318 and rusty quarter panels than just about any motorcycle. Back in my racing days (and probably still) when the bike classes came up during eliminations, everyone left the grandstands to go look at the cars. It even happens at National Events like at Englishtown and Pomona - motorcycle classes equals a mad dash for the bathroom/concession stand/pits.

Nobody really cares if bikes are faster.

JMHO.

ETA: And for the record, bikes are not always faster - let me know when a bike can run the quarter mile in 4.5 seconds.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 12:31:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jeremy223:

Originally Posted By sirbordsalot311:
bikes are for poor people that can't afford cars

I nominate you for the most intelligent post of the day award. Thank you for your brilliant contribution to this thread.

thanks!
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 12:50:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 12:51:17 PM EDT by KM598]

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:

Originally Posted By KirkP:
Actually, it takes some skill to ride well. Anybody can stick a car in drive and stand on the gas.


Yes, because it takes years of experience to learn how to balance and twist a throttle. We learn that when we ride bikes with training wheels.


Well, I wasn't going to jump in here, but I will.

Yes, it's cheaper and easier to make a bike go like hell, and a guy on a sport bike shouldn't get excited about whuppin a car.

Cars are faster in a straight line, and around corners, if you have the $$$.

To drive a car like that Cuda fast in a straight line takes far less skill than it does to launch that sport bike and get the most out of it you can. After a few runs you should be able to figure out hom much gas you can give the Cuda off the line w/o breaking loose. It'll take you more than a few runs to figure out how to launch a bike like that. The front wheel comes off the ground, you have to keep it straight, you have to feather the clutch to keep the RPMs in the power band without sending the front wheel over your head.

Riding a motorcycle fast and doing it well takes serious skill.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 12:53:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jeremy223:
Yawn.

You can get a purpose built drag racing car to beat a showroom stock bike, is this news to anyone? Hell, if you throw enough money, you can even get a race car to beat a race bike, so what?

Give me a road race course over a drag strip any day, and yes, I know you can get cars to run faster through a road race course than a bike also.

Racing different types of vehicles is retarded. Racing is supposed to be about skill of the racers, not the inherent differences between vehicles.


Exactly. And the form of racing chosen is purely based on personal preference. I used to drag race cars. I didn't care about anything else at the time, and now I don't even care to race cars any more (WAY too expensive for the racing that interests me).
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 12:53:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jeremy223:
Yawn.

You can get a purpose built drag racing car to beat a showroom stock bike, is this news to anyone? Hell, if you throw enough money, you can even get a race car to beat a race bike, so what?

Give me a road race course over a drag strip any day, and yes, I know you can get cars to run faster through a road race course than a bike also.

Racing different types of vehicles is retarded. Racing is supposed to be about skill of the racers, not the inherent differences between vehicles.


Somebody figured it out!!
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 6:48:45 PM EDT
well.....I've been 99mph in my Canyon. I could have gone 100 but the governer shut it down. And I'be been about 85 in my K5....
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 7:15:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KM598:

To drive a car like that Cuda fast in a straight line takes far less skill than it does to launch that sport bike and get the most out of it you can. After a few runs you should be able to figure out hom much gas you can give the Cuda off the line w/o breaking loose. It'll take you more than a few runs to figure out how to launch a bike like that. The front wheel comes off the ground, you have to keep it straight, you have to feather the clutch to keep the RPMs in the power band without sending the front wheel over your head.


Right but it is the same argument that foreign car drivers use.

They forget about the whole, their car sucks part and start discussing aesthetics on driver skill and "TWIZTIEZZALOLOL," which has nothing to do for the most part with comparing car vs car, or bike vs car.

I'm not saying bikes suck, but you're exactly right a sport bike rider getting excited about beating a car needs a girlfriend, but when you fine tune a car to beat motorcycles, then you have every right to brag.

It's like putting an F-22 Raptor against a C-130, and the C-130 winning. As if we're going to sit here and go OH MY GOD THE F22 WON, HOW?!?

I'm not saying it doesn't require skill to ride a very fast bike, it does but it's not has of a science as KirkP is trying to explain it as.

With a motorcycle wheelie you can still peak ahead of you, when a muscle car lifts its front end off the ground, you can't see shit but the sun.

Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:26:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KirkP:
Here's another dose of reality:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifrk6JeCafo

Ever seen a cage do that?


Vid's a fake amigo. Check around the 11 second mark. He is NOT doing 40mph, or even 40kph.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:35:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:

Originally Posted By KirkP:
Here's another dose of reality:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifrk6JeCafo

Ever seen a cage do that?


Vid's a fake amigo. Check around the 11 second mark. He is NOT doing 40mph, or even 40kph.


I'm not seein' it. Explain please.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:41:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2007 8:42:42 PM EDT by MisterWilson]
No problem. At about the 11 second mark, as he's taking off, his speedo is registering that he's going upwards of 40+ mph, but when you look at both the lane stripes and the ground to the left of the street, you can obviously tell he's doing nowhere near that.

The speedo's been fuxxor'd with.

ETA: And while I don't contest that the Hayabusa is fast, it isn't THAT fast.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:42:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MisterWilson:

Originally Posted By KirkP:
Here's another dose of reality:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifrk6JeCafo

Ever seen a cage do that?


Vid's a fake amigo. Check around the 11 second mark. He is NOT doing 40mph, or even 40kph.


I'm not much of a skeptic, but wait till the end when he's doing 100 mph. Not even close to 100 mph, to me.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 8:53:23 PM EDT
Not impressed, big deal a non stock 10.6 built car vs a stock 600 Kawasaki ZX6....woohoo

Throw a couple corners in there and lets see the results.
Link Posted: 8/15/2007 9:10:11 PM EDT
J= 426 Hemi in 68! Too bad its gone. Its worth a mint now if its still alive.
Kinda like the BS23R 0 on my 70 Cuda.

Originally Posted By BulletBait:
HAD a '68 Charger,.... VIN was XS29J8B
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