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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:52:41 PM EDT
I'm thinking about an SBR intended for defensive situations under 100 feet.

With a barrel of 10" or so, would you rather be firing a 5.56 round or a .45? Reasons?
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 12:54:59 PM EDT
At 30 Meters (app 100 ft) - the .45

The 10 inches will not give the 5.56 the velocity it needs.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 12:57:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2013 12:58:04 PM EDT by TarletonRanger]
Originally Posted By Killbot:
At 30 Meters (app 100 ft) - the .45

The 10 inches will not give the 5.56 the velocity it needs.


Just don't tell that to Bin Laden

Link Posted: 1/20/2013 12:57:54 PM EDT
SBR in IL for home defense?

"Not Sure if Serious.JPG"

I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 12:59:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
SBR in IL for home defense?

"Not Sure if Serious.JPG"

I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item.


If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest...
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 12:59:44 PM EDT
I'd say both are adequate. A tommy gun is a pretty potent little thing too.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:02:30 PM EDT
for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:02:31 PM EDT
I will always take the rifle, if I can.

every time.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:02:42 PM EDT
Originally Posted By VBC:
I'd say both are adequate. A tommy gun is a pretty potent little thing too.


I just saw Gangster Squad last night, so Tommy guns are still fresh in my mind haha
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:02:51 PM EDT
Suppress the 5.56 if you go that route and work out the kinks.

Honestly though I prefer a GLOCK for home defense. For that close in you should be able to hit. Plus, less things to go wrong, no safetys to deal with, etc.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:03:02 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
SBR in IL for home defense?

"Not Sure if Serious.JPG"

I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item.


If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest...


Seems SBR's just became legal in IL. My apologies! I don't see what an SBR AR does that a 16" carbine with a collapsed stock doesn't.

Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:04:06 PM EDT
.22lr loaded with snake shot.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:04:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
SBR in IL for home defense?

"Not Sure if Serious.JPG"

I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item.


If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest...


Seems SBR's just became legal in IL. My apologies! I don't see what an SBR AR does that a 16" carbine with a collapsed stock doesn't.



Be half a foot shorter, I'm guessing.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:04:41 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fla556guy:
I will always take the rifle, if I can.

every time.


Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:05:35 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Originally Posted By fla556guy:
I will always take the rifle, if I can.

every time.


Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration.


.223

Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:06:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Originally Posted By fla556guy:
I will always take the rifle, if I can.

every time.


Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration.

In that case 5.56 no question
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:06:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
SBR in IL for home defense?

"Not Sure if Serious.JPG"

I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item.


If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest...


Seems SBR's just became legal in IL. My apologies! I don't see what an SBR AR does that a 16" carbine with a collapsed stock doesn't.



No worries
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:09:45 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MedicYeti:
for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56.


You should do some research.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:09:59 PM EDT
Suppressed AR pistol, frangible rounds. Come at me, bro.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:10:17 PM EDT
First, read this. Best Choice for Self Defense Ammo

Then pick a rifle round from the list. With good ammo a short rifle will perform very well.

Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:11:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Originally Posted By fla556guy:
I will always take the rifle, if I can.

every time.


Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration.


TDI KRISS. 45acp. Takes Glock mags.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:13:27 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
I'm thinking about an SBR intended for defensive situations under 100 feet.

With a barrel of 10" or so, would you rather be firing a 5.56 round or a .45? Reasons?


12 gauge.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:13:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:14:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
SBR in IL for home defense?

"Not Sure if Serious.JPG"

I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item.


So you pick one of your other 12 AR15s and say you used that one. :shrug:
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:15:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:15:33 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:15:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2013 1:16:38 PM EDT by blackh8552]
defensive situations under 100 feet try a handgun or 12ga.. search boxotruth and you will see how far a 5.56 round will penetrate

edit...
look who just posted above me!
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:16:14 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:20:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By MedicYeti:
for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56.


Lord have mercy.

Why don't people get educated about external ballistics.



It takes too much work, thought and discipline to do it.

I really appreciate the work you've done. It has dispelled a lot of myths for people.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:21:49 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:22:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:25:32 PM EDT
Rifle!!!
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:25:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:29:53 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
SBR in IL for home defense?

"Not Sure if Serious.JPG"

I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item.


If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest...


Seems SBR's just became legal in IL. My apologies! I don't see what an SBR AR does that a 16" carbine with a collapsed stock doesn't.



Well, my SBR is about 7" shorter than a standard carbine, lighter, and easier to maneuver. Would it suck to have my SBR sitting in some evidence locker for 2-3 years, yup it would suck donkey balls, but not even hold a candle to losing my kid, have her get hurt etc.

And for the people that think 12ga is some how better than 223 read through this: box of truth rifles, shotguns and walls BOTH 556 and most 12ga rounds went through 4 standard home walls.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:30:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By MedicYeti:
for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56.


Lord have mercy.

Why don't people get educated about external ballistics.


Because there is no where to find such info!
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:30:32 PM EDT
And A W A Y we go.

The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest — but the myth — persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. - John F. Kennedy

<--- Back in the 60's even the D's were pretty smart sometimes.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:31:36 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:32:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2013 1:33:21 PM EDT by Frosty451]
.45 from a Taurus Judge. Duh.




Jesus you guys are slipping.

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Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:33:19 PM EDT
I'd prefer the .45 over the SBR, unless the SBR was suppressed.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:33:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By Searcherfortruth:

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By MedicYeti:
for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56.


Lord have mercy.

Why don't people get educated about external ballistics.


Because there is no where to find such info!


I guess not.



Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:34:18 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Capt-Planet:
.22lr loaded with snake shot.


aka "blast it with piss!"
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:34:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Originally Posted By fla556guy:
I will always take the rifle, if I can.

every time.


Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration.

pistol rounds suck, except the .45 may be the single exception
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:34:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By CKxx:
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
SBR in IL for home defense?

"Not Sure if Serious.JPG"

I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item.


So you pick one of your other 12 AR15s and say you used that one. :shrug:


Lie to the investigators in a justified home shooting?

There's a great idea.



Barry: Would you like some Merlot? I make it in the toilet!

Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:35:33 PM EDT
Blackout.

Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:36:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Aimless:

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
Suppressed AR pistol, frangible rounds. Come at me, bro.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcsutton/Gunz/ARPistol.jpg

I thought frangible rounds were not good against people

Anything moving at 2900+ feet per second...remind me to duck (30 times).
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:37:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Killbot:
At 30 Meters (app 100 ft) - the .45

The 10 inches will not give the 5.56 the velocity it needs.


Ummmm..... your title is accurate.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:38:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DanishM1Garand:
SBR in IL for home defense?

"Not Sure if Serious.JPG"

I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item.


WTF is the point of having it if you won't use it?

Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:40:04 PM EDT
Old_Painless, you seem to know what you're talking about. What do you suggest?

Just some notes: 10" SBR, very short range uses, and due to the current laws in my state lets assume it can not be suppressed.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:46:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Old_Painless, you seem to know what you're talking about. What do you suggest?

Just some notes: 10" SBR, very short range uses, and due to the current laws in my state lets assume it can not be suppressed.


Then it's going to be loud as fuck and I would hate to be inside when it goes off.
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:52:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2013 1:53:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Originally Posted By NickydaGreat:
Old_Painless, you seem to know what you're talking about. What do you suggest?

Just some notes: 10" SBR, very short range uses, and due to the current laws in my state lets assume it can not be suppressed.


Read and study this.

What Is the Best Weapon for Home Defense

Then study this:

Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo

Then you will be ready to make a decision.



Thank You!
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