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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:54:59 PM EDT
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At 30 Meters (app 100 ft) - the .45
The 10 inches will not give the 5.56 the velocity it needs. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:57:52 PM EDT
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At 30 Meters (app 100 ft) - the .45 The 10 inches will not give the 5.56 the velocity it needs. Just don't tell that to Bin Laden 
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:57:54 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense?
"Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:59:27 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense? "Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest... |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 12:59:44 PM EDT
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I'd say both are adequate. A tommy gun is a pretty potent little thing too.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:02:30 PM EDT
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for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:02:31 PM EDT
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I will always take the rifle, if I can.
every time. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:02:42 PM EDT
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I'd say both are adequate. A tommy gun is a pretty potent little thing too. I just saw Gangster Squad last night, so Tommy guns are still fresh in my mind haha |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:02:51 PM EDT
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Suppress the 5.56 if you go that route and work out the kinks.
Honestly though I prefer a GLOCK for home defense. For that close in you should be able to hit. Plus, less things to go wrong, no safetys to deal with, etc. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:03:02 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense? "Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest... Seems SBR's just became legal in IL. My apologies! I don't see what an SBR AR does that a 16" carbine with a collapsed stock doesn't. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:04:06 PM EDT
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.22lr loaded with snake shot.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:04:38 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense? "Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest... Seems SBR's just became legal in IL. My apologies! I don't see what an SBR AR does that a 16" carbine with a collapsed stock doesn't. Be half a foot shorter, I'm guessing. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:04:41 PM EDT
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I will always take the rifle, if I can. every time. Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:05:35 PM EDT
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I will always take the rifle, if I can. every time. Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration. .223 |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:06:22 PM EDT
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I will always take the rifle, if I can. every time. Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration. In that case 5.56 no question |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:06:50 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense? "Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest... Seems SBR's just became legal in IL. My apologies! I don't see what an SBR AR does that a 16" carbine with a collapsed stock doesn't. No worries |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:09:45 PM EDT
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for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56. You should do some research. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:09:59 PM EDT
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Suppressed AR pistol, frangible rounds. Come at me, bro.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:10:17 PM EDT
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First, read this. Best Choice for Self Defense Ammo
Then pick a rifle round from the list. With good ammo a short rifle will perform very well. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:11:31 PM EDT
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I will always take the rifle, if I can. every time. Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration. TDI KRISS. 45acp. Takes Glock mags. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:13:27 PM EDT
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I'm thinking about an SBR intended for defensive situations under 100 feet. With a barrel of 10" or so, would you rather be firing a 5.56 round or a .45? Reasons? 12 gauge. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:13:45 PM EDT
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for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56. Lord have mercy. 
Why don't people get educated about external ballistics. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:14:32 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense? "Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. So you pick one of your other 12 AR15s and say you used that one. :shrug: |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:15:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: At 30 Meters (app 100 ft) - the .45 The 10 inches will not give the 5.56 the velocity it needs. The guys at backwater laughed when I asked about that |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:15:33 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense? "Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. So you pick one of your other 12 AR15s and say you used that one. :shrug: Lie to the investigators in a justified home shooting? There's a great idea. 
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:15:59 PM EDT
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defensive situations under 100 feet try a handgun or 12ga.. search boxotruth and you will see how far a 5.56 round will penetrate
edit... look who just posted above me! |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:16:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: Suppressed AR pistol, frangible rounds. Come at me, bro. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcsutton/Gunz/ARPistol.jpg I thought frangible rounds were not good against people |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:20:17 PM EDT
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for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56. Lord have mercy.
Why don't people get educated about external ballistics. It takes too much work, thought and discipline to do it. I really appreciate the work you've done. It has dispelled a lot of myths for people. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:21:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:22:18 PM EDT
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defensive situations under 100 feet try a handgun or 12ga.. search boxotruth and you will see how far a 5.56 round will penetrate edit... look who just posted above me! And you need to read it again. The 5.56 does not penetrate any more or less than any other major defense round. Any round that will Stop a bad guy, will penetrate several walls. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:25:32 PM EDT
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Rifle!!!
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:25:34 PM EDT
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for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56. Lord have mercy.
Why don't people get educated about external ballistics. It takes too much work, thought and discipline to do it. I really appreciate the work you've done. It has dispelled a lot of myths for people. Many thanks. But I still see almost daily foolishness posted here on Arfcom, so it didn't dispell all of them.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:29:53 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense? "Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. If it helps me save my life or the lives of others, I don't give a shit to be honest... Seems SBR's just became legal in IL. My apologies! I don't see what an SBR AR does that a 16" carbine with a collapsed stock doesn't. Well, my SBR is about 7" shorter than a standard carbine, lighter, and easier to maneuver. Would it suck to have my SBR sitting in some evidence locker for 2-3 years, yup it would suck donkey balls, but not even hold a candle to losing my kid, have her get hurt etc. And for the people that think 12ga is some how better than 223 read through this: box of truth rifles, shotguns and walls BOTH 556 and most 12ga rounds went through 4 standard home walls. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:30:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56. Lord have mercy. Why don't people get educated about external ballistics. Because there is no where to find such info!  |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:30:32 PM EDT
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And A W A Y we go.
The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate, contrived and dishonest — but the myth — persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic. - John F. Kennedy <--- Back in the 60's even the D's were pretty smart sometimes. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:31:36 PM EDT
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for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56. Lord have mercy.
Why don't people get educated about external ballistics. Because there is no where to find such info! I guess not. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:32:50 PM EDT
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.45 from a Taurus Judge. Duh.
Jesus you guys are slipping. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:33:19 PM EDT
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I'd prefer the .45 over the SBR, unless the SBR was suppressed.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:33:38 PM EDT
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for me: 45 and 12ga. I'm too close to my neighbors and if I miss with a 5.56 the round will end in a neighbors house. If we were not so close together, I'd look toward a 5.56. Lord have mercy.
Why don't people get educated about external ballistics. Because there is no where to find such info! I guess not. 
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:34:18 PM EDT
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.22lr loaded with snake shot. aka "blast it with piss!" |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:34:42 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: I will always take the rifle, if I can. every time. Its going to be a rifle either way, I'm asking about having it either in 5.56 or .45 configuration. pistol rounds suck, except the .45 may be the single exception |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:34:49 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense? "Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. So you pick one of your other 12 AR15s and say you used that one. :shrug: Lie to the investigators in a justified home shooting? There's a great idea.
Barry: Would you like some Merlot? I make it in the toilet! |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:35:33 PM EDT
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Blackout.
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:36:15 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Suppressed AR pistol, frangible rounds. Come at me, bro. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v732/pcsutton/Gunz/ARPistol.jpg I thought frangible rounds were not good against people Anything moving at 2900+ feet per second...remind me to duck (30 times). |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:37:40 PM EDT
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At 30 Meters (app 100 ft) - the .45 The 10 inches will not give the 5.56 the velocity it needs. Ummmm..... your title is accurate. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:38:17 PM EDT
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SBR in IL for home defense? "Not Sure if Serious.JPG" I would NEVER use an NFA item for HD. You will likely lose it to the evidence room for some time and IDK if that many PD's would give back an NFA item. WTF is the point of having it if you won't use it? |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:40:04 PM EDT
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Old_Painless, you seem to know what you're talking about. What do you suggest?
Just some notes: 10" SBR, very short range uses, and due to the current laws in my state lets assume it can not be suppressed. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:46:34 PM EDT
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Old_Painless, you seem to know what you're talking about. What do you suggest? Just some notes: 10" SBR, very short range uses, and due to the current laws in my state lets assume it can not be suppressed. Then it's going to be loud as fuck and I would hate to be inside when it goes off. |
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:52:25 PM EDT
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Old_Painless, you seem to know what you're talking about. What do you suggest? Just some notes: 10" SBR, very short range uses, and due to the current laws in my state lets assume it can not be suppressed. Read and study this. What Is the Best Weapon for Home Defense Then study this: Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo Then you will be ready to make a decision. 
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Posted: 1/20/2013 1:53:44 PM EDT
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Old_Painless, you seem to know what you're talking about. What do you suggest? Just some notes: 10" SBR, very short range uses, and due to the current laws in my state lets assume it can not be suppressed. Read and study this. What Is the Best Weapon for Home Defense Then study this: Best Choices for Self Defense Ammo Then you will be ready to make a decision.
Thank You! |
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