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Posted: 4/20/2017 2:05:54 PM EST
Assault weapons ban was still in place as well as numerous other gun control measures.  Didn't mean a damn thing. 
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:08:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Assault weapons ban was still in place as well as numerous other gun control measures.  Didn't mean a damn thing. 
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Neither did the Brady law.

Today Eric Harris's writings and actions (along with Klebold) have been used as a model for many other school shootings including Virginia Tech and Newton and even the knifing that occurred in Murrysville, PA in 2014.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:08:47 PM EST
It would have been a real shame if those two jackasses would have just blown themselves up/away while playing in the woods.

Wonder how many others since them have been at least partially inspired by those two idiots?
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There was some internet rumor going around that a gal that was a freshman during Columbine was a senior during Virginia Tech.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:11:57 PM EST
Hell of a week for shit going down in US history isn't it?
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:13:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mopseydocks6014:
There was some internet rumor going around that a gal that was a freshman during Columbine was a senior during Virginia Tech.
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I'm pretty sure this guy is the most famous Columbine survivor.

Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:14:06 PM EST
I have always wondered, did they shoot the people who actually bullied them?

Please don't read anything into that. They are scumbags. they stated they were bullied so, i wonder if they actually got revenge or just shot randoms.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:15:37 PM EST
I still never got how hard the ball was dropped on that one, complete with mom and dad not noticing the bomb factory and the magazine order phone call.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:17:16 PM EST
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Fucking Marilyn Manson man!

I remember after this, a lot of the 'outcast' kids started wearing trench coats. We would tell them "your barrel is showing" when they walked by. I guess that was in poor taste, but humor at that age usually is.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:18:57 PM EST
What criminals don't obey laws? What next crazy people do crazy things?
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
I have always wondered, did they shoot the people who actually bullied them?

Please don't read anything into that. They are scumbags. they stated they were bullied so, i wonder if they actually got revenge or just shot randoms.
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They kneecapped them
They also waited until the muzzles got hot and burned people with them


Fucking scumbags
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:19:54 PM EST
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I remember it like it was yesterday, then 5/20/99 it happened to me . Heritage high school, Conyers,GA. The end of my 10th grade year.

Wasn't near as bad as what those kids went through but the shit still sucked to have to witness.
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Originally Posted By buckshot_jim:
I have always wondered, did they shoot the people who actually bullied them?

Please don't read anything into that. They are scumbags. they stated they were bullied so, i wonder if they actually got revenge or just shot randoms.
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They really were not bullied; no worse than anyone else.  Their targets were random.

Harris stated in his journal that he hated bullies and then would say he deserved what was said to him as it was provoked by his own actions.

Both parties stated no one was to blame for their actions but themselves.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:23:04 PM EST
They weren't bullied, they were just losers that didn't have friends.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:23:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AKengineer:
I still never got how hard the ball was dropped on that one, complete with mom and dad not noticing the bomb factory and the magazine order phone call.
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Dad owned guns and had recently bought something from the dealer so he made an assumption orders got mixed up.  None of dad's guns were used.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:24:06 PM EST
Just be thankfull those asshats couldn't rig together a proper timing device for their propane bombs.

I remember seeing reports conducted with similarly constructed devices and the consensus is it would have killed a whole lot of people, possibly even partially collapsed the cafeteria
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:26:54 PM EST
I'm glad those bombs didn't work...
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Originally Posted By wgjhsafT:
Dad owned guns and had recently bought something from the dealer so he made an assumption orders got mixed up.  None of dad's guns were used.
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Without writing a ten page post outlining everything there was some severe ball dropping on the part of the police and parents. The writings that the police were already aware of basically spelled out what was coming. Additionally the kids had a criminal past. Plus the time Eric's mother saw him leaving with a shotgun in a bag and did not think anything of it.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:27:42 PM EST
Some one posted this in a different thread, worth the watch


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Originally Posted By DangerJ:
They weren't bullied, they were just losers that didn't have friends.
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Partially right. They did have friends but both had mental issues preventing them from having more or at least more closer friends. They worked with a bunch of other kids at a pizza place, Eric had played soccer (making him a jock to a certain degree), and they participated in some clubs. They did not understand social constructs and people's motivations and intentions for different reasons. Eric led (most of the time) and Dylan followed (most of the time). They had lots of groups they associated with and people they were friendly with but maybe none of them were "mainstream" enough for Eric's liking.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:29:04 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JBski:


I'm pretty sure this guy is the most famous Columbine survivor.

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Never knew that.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:29:27 PM EST
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Without writing a ten page post outlining everything there was some severe ball dropping on the part of the police and parents. The writings that the police were already aware of basically spelled out what was coming. Additionally the kids had a criminal past.
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Don't forget the officers who forgot to follow through on those complaints. Lots of small fuck ups/over sights let those two get away with shit for far to long.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:32:02 PM EST
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Without writing a ten page post outlining everything there was some severe ball dropping on the part of the police and parents. The writings that the police were already aware of basically spelled out what was coming. Additionally the kids had a criminal past.
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Yes, 100%. The webpage Harris put up was enough to get the Sheriff's dept. interested until they weren't (Harris took it down) and the Sheriff's department attempted to hide that they didn't act post incident. Both Harris and Klebold stole from a guy's van (and Harris justified it in every wrong way) and were caught. it was felony theft but being minors they went into a diversion program and did so well they were let out of it months early.

Harris apparently was always a little fire/bomb bug and his parents, finding some of the items he had and was building, simply shrugged it off as the kid was always tinkering with things. Klebold wasn't as ambitious but was living in the shadow of his own brother and didn't have the motivation to do a lot of the things on his own.
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This one has the cute Asian girl.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:37:57 PM EST
Originally Posted By saigamanTX:
Assault weapons ban was still in place as well as numerous other gun control measures.  Didn't mean a damn thing
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No, it meant a lot.

The scars of Columbine traumatized a lot of children going forward. Old people today have little clue what it is like growing up in a post-Columbine, post 9/11 world.
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Originally Posted By Buzz69:
Never knew that.
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Originally Posted By JBski:


I'm pretty sure this guy is the most famous Columbine survivor.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/incredulous.gif
Never knew that.
Guy survives Columbine only to move to J-ville and become a Jags fan, poor bastard.

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Originally Posted By TX_Metal:
Just be thankfull those asshats couldn't rig together a proper timing device for their propane bombs.

I remember seeing reports conducted with similarly constructed devices and the consensus is it would have killed a whole lot of people, possibly even partially collapsed the cafeteria
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I read a report about that, not sure if it was credible. I saw the document a few months after the shooting, then it was gone 6 months later.

In the document I saw, they had tested their bombs using mechanical clocks which worked well. The bombs built for use at the school used a slightly cheaper clock, the cheaper clocks used plastic bushings instead of the brass in the more expensive clocks. The circuit wasn't completed because of the plastic bushing.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:40:28 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 10mm_:
I'm glad those bombs didn't work...
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The original plan was to A) bomb a remote area to distract FD and LE B) utilize large bombs to demo the cafeteria and cause as much carnage as possible C) shoot those who fled D) shoot it out with police/die and E) bombs in their cars would explode killed first responders after they were already dead.

Most of the bombs did not go off or if they did explode only did so with little damage and out of sequence. Most of the explosions were caused by their CO2 cartridge bombs they lit and threw at people/things but almost all injuries and all deaths ended up being from gun shot wounds.
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I read a report about that, not sure if it was credible. I saw the document a few months after the shooting, then it was gone 6 months later.

In the document I saw, they had tested their bombs using mechanical clocks which worked well. The bombs built for use at the school used a slightly cheaper clock, the cheaper clocks used plastic bushings instead of the brass in the more expensive clocks. The circuit wasn't completed because of the plastic bushing.
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I want to say that there was enough force to shatter the glass and potentially bring some structural members from the library above down into the cafeteria which held, at that time, 488 students. Had they worked it would have been really bad. None of the students nor any faculty even noticed the placement of the bombs which were in large duffle bags.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:46:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By BobP:


I read a report about that, not sure if it was credible. I saw the document a few months after the shooting, then it was gone 6 months later.

In the document I saw, they had tested their bombs using mechanical clocks which worked well. The bombs built for use at the school used a slightly cheaper clock, the cheaper clocks used plastic bushings instead of the brass in the more expensive clocks. The circuit wasn't completed because of the plastic bushing.
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Lucky break

Between that and the fact that they wanted Calico M950's, things could have been way worse.

Shit, the guy who sold them the AB-10 had a Mini-30, thankfully they didn't buy that off of him.
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Originally Posted By wgjhsafT:


I want to say that there was enough force to shatter the glass and potentially bring some structural members from the library above down into the cafeteria which held, at that time, 488 students. Had they worked it would have been really bad. None of the students nor any faculty even noticed the placement of the bombs which were in large duffle bags.
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I see someone else has spent some time reading up on this as well. You are absolutely correct.
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Originally Posted By JBski:
Guy survives Columbine only to move to J-ville and become a Jags fan, poor bastard.

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Originally Posted By Buzz69:
Originally Posted By JBski:


I'm pretty sure this guy is the most famous Columbine survivor.

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/02/incredulous.gif
Never knew that.
Guy survives Columbine only to move to J-ville and become a Jags fan, poor bastard.

Haha!

Too bad though, I really like Khan.
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Originally Posted By wgjhsafT:
The original plan was to A) bomb a remote area to distract FD and LE B) utilize large bombs to demo the cafeteria and cause as much carnage as possible C) shoot those who fled D) shoot it out with police/die and E) bombs in their cars would explode killed first responders after they were already dead.

Most of the bombs did not go off or if they did explode only did so with little damage and out of sequence. Most of the explosions were caused by their CO2 cartridge bombs they lit and threw at people/things but almost all injuries and all deaths ended up being from gun shot wounds.
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Originally Posted By 10mm_:
I'm glad those bombs didn't work...
The original plan was to A) bomb a remote area to distract FD and LE B) utilize large bombs to demo the cafeteria and cause as much carnage as possible C) shoot those who fled D) shoot it out with police/die and E) bombs in their cars would explode killed first responders after they were already dead.

Most of the bombs did not go off or if they did explode only did so with little damage and out of sequence. Most of the explosions were caused by their CO2 cartridge bombs they lit and threw at people/things but almost all injuries and all deaths ended up being from gun shot wounds.
The full plan was to get away if they could, hijack a plane and crash it (NYC?) But if they were cornered, then shoot it out.
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Originally Posted By GAshooter11:
I remember it like it was yesterday, then 5/20/99 it happened to me . Heritage high school, Conyers,GA. The end of my 10th grade year.

Wasn't near as bad as what those kids went through but the shit still sucked to have to witness.
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Dude, that's horrible. I remember that happening and obviously Columbine. Hope all is well with you. 
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 2:58:58 PM EST
Yeah I remember that very well, I started highschool in Colorado that year. Columbine would have a far reaching impact in terms of no tolerance ( no common sense ) policies.
Fights that used to get you a 2 day suspension would get you expelled in just a couple year time period. I remember kids would call in fake bomb threats all at my highschool to get
days off. That changed within a couple years to felon for life. Now most kids don't even get to go out for lunch anymore I hear :/
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Originally Posted By TX_Metal:


I see someone else has spent some time reading up on this as well. You are absolutely correct.
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Yes, two major reasons. Know thy enemy and also to dispel the liberal mantra about evil gunz and bullies and all that other crap. When I hear zero tolerance I want to shove the Secret Service's report down their throat which says security theater and zero tolerance don't do anything and...profiling does.
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The full plan was to get away if they could, hijack a plane and crash it (NYC?) But if they were cornered, then shoot it out.
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Yes. They were basically planning their own 9/11.
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Originally Posted By monte84:
Yeah I remember that very well, I started highschool in Colorado that year. Columbine would have a far reaching impact in terms of no tolerance ( no common sense ) policies.
Fights that used to get you a 2 day suspension would get you expelled in just a couple year time period. I remember kids would call in fake bomb threats all at my highschool to get
days off. That changed within a couple years to felon for life. Now most kids don't even get to go out for lunch anymore I hear :/
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Yeah, it was a pretty rough time to go through High School.

Got to see 9/11 happen live appropriately enough in my Sophomore US History class.
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Originally Posted By wgjhsafT:


Yes. They were basically planning their own 9/11.
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Thankfully, despite all of their planning, their actual attack went horribly wrong. Can't imagine the results of they had been able to piece everything together correctly, get more/better weapons, ect.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 3:11:14 PM EST
Was a serious buzz kill. I got a call that afternoon. We had almost worked out a deal for state wide Concealed carry. That event killed all our progress and set us back years.

People involved after the fact tried to milk the event for all it was worth, so much so that certain prosecutors, judges and private attorneys engaged in hundreds of actions that each of which were grounds for dis-barrment and criminal prosecution. However none of or state DA's or Attorney general would even consider looking into the issue for fear of public opinion.

Oh - and I think the responding LEO's were a bunch of chicken shits for not going in immediately.
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Was a serious buzz kill. I got a call that afternoon. We had almost worked out a deal for state wide Concealed carry. That event killed all our progress and set us back years.

People involved after the fact tried to milk the event for all it was worth, so much so that certain prosecutors, judges and private attorneys engaged in hundreds of actions that each of which were grounds for dis-barrment and criminal prosecution. However none of or state DA's or Attorney general would even consider looking into the issue for fear of public opinion.

Oh - and I think the responding LEO's were a bunch of chicken shits for not going in immediately.
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Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't department policy at the time not to enter and wait for back up?

Not saying they were right or wrong as I wasn't there to make that judgement call, just asking a factual question.
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Some one posted this in a different thread, worth the watch


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That was good. Thanks for posting
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Originally Posted By TX_Metal:
Just be thankfull those asshats couldn't rig together a proper timing device for their propane bombs.

I remember seeing reports conducted with similarly constructed devices and the consensus is it would have killed a whole lot of people, possibly even partially collapsed the cafeteria
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One of my wife's friends at the time had a younger sister that survived Columbine, I commented that it was a good thing those kids didn't know what they were doing or there would have been a whole lot more kids killed that day.

She was not amused and started in with the normal gun banning talking points, no one needs an assault rifle, no one needs high capacity magazines, etc... A few weeks later, after she calmed down a little, we had a discussion about the lies being told by the media and showed her examples. I doubt she ever became a gun owner, but she did realize that the media and politicians were pushing crap on the nightly news.
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Originally Posted By wgjhsafT:
I want to say that there was enough force to shatter the glass and potentially bring some structural members from the library above down into the cafeteria which held, at that time, 488 students. Had they worked it would have been really bad. None of the students nor any faculty even noticed the placement of the bombs which were in large duffle bags.
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Originally Posted By BobP:


I read a report about that, not sure if it was credible. I saw the document a few months after the shooting, then it was gone 6 months later.

In the document I saw, they had tested their bombs using mechanical clocks which worked well. The bombs built for use at the school used a slightly cheaper clock, the cheaper clocks used plastic bushings instead of the brass in the more expensive clocks. The circuit wasn't completed because of the plastic bushing.
I want to say that there was enough force to shatter the glass and potentially bring some structural members from the library above down into the cafeteria which held, at that time, 488 students. Had they worked it would have been really bad. None of the students nor any faculty even noticed the placement of the bombs which were in large duffle bags.
I think the estimate was there would have been around 250 dead if the bombs went off.
Link Posted: 4/20/2017 4:25:41 PM EST
What is it about 20? 7/20/2012
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I remember it happening like it was yesterday. I was a junior in high school, and watched it happen on the news in the planetarium.
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Originally Posted By TX_Metal:

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't department policy at the time not to enter and wait for back up?

Not saying they were right or wrong as I wasn't there to make that judgement call, just asking a factual question.
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Policy or not. (That would just be a CYA excuse.)

Fact is they had the place surrounded, then waited hours before finally entering. Mean while a few victims bled out that need not have died.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:22:05 PM EST
That was the day I decided to not be a victim and arm myself. Had to wait a while though, being nine years old.
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I'm glad those bombs didn't work...
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