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Posted: 9/25/2005 5:14:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:21:26 PM EDT
its not my auction by the way and it only has 30 mins left!!
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:39:45 PM EDT
any opinions on price of these things?
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:45:24 PM EDT
Wouldn't this still be considered a destructive device?

Who has a 40mm launcher anyway? I know you can get the 37mm ones but . . .
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:52:06 PM EDT
Well, I put a bid on it. Hopefully I win. It would be a good show piece.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:54:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:
Well, I put a bid on it. Hopefully I win. It would be a good show piece.



Holy shit! $45 shipping!

J/K
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:55:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Roland_O_Gilead:
Wouldn't this still be considered a destructive device?

Who has a 40mm launcher anyway? I know you can get the 37mm ones but . . .



The chalk rounds are just plastic projectiles that shatter upon impact, no explosives in the projectile - no DD. And there are a number of people who own real, working M203s.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:56:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Roland_O_Gilead:
Wouldn't this still be considered a destructive device?

Who has a 40mm launcher anyway? I know you can get the 37mm ones but . . .



several folks have 40mm here, you can do the proper paper worka nd get one if ya wnat ot spend major dough
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:56:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SJSAMPLE:

Originally Posted By Roland_O_Gilead:
Wouldn't this still be considered a destructive device?

Who has a 40mm launcher anyway? I know you can get the 37mm ones but . . .



The chalk rounds are just plastic projectiles that shatter upon impact, no explosives in the projectile - no DD. And there are a number of people who own real, working M203s.



Yes, but the real M203's are considered DD's and must be registered.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:04:50 PM EDT
Yay!! I win! I win!! I will be the owner of a chalk rocket!
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:12:14 PM EDT
Now you need 5 more and and a bandoleer to keep them in.
I can help you with that.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:29:51 PM EDT
No, Destructive Devices, Machine Guns, etc. don't have to be "Registered"--they have to have a TRANSFER TAX paid to posess them.

Technically, the MG (DD, SBR, SBS, AOW, etc.) is listed in the NATIONAL FIREARMS TRANSFER REGISTRY (actually a tax log).

Still one of the most screwed up things the Gov.org came up with--for you to get an NFA item, you have to submit paperwork, get fingerprints, a CLEO signoff --just to be sure you are eligiable to pay the tax.

And, they set the $200 tax ($5 for AOW, if only because one Legislator of the time had the balls to stand up for something) at the value (at the time) of a Thompson SMG.

The idea was that 'gangsters' used them, so if they doubled the price, the gangsters wouldn't get them--so, the average joe now couldn't afford them, however the rum runners (and Irish Whiskey smugglers--you know how your family got their money, don't you Ted Kennedy!!) had plenty of $$ and had no trouble buying the guns.

It is also my understanding that live (Explosive) 40mm shells are individual destructive devices and need to have a $200 transfer tax paid on EACH shell (Damn expensive shooting).

AFARR
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 6:41:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AFARR:
No, Destructive Devices, Machine Guns, etc. don't have to be "Registered"--they have to have a TRANSFER TAX paid to posess them.

Technically, the MG (DD, SBR, SBS, AOW, etc.) is listed in the NATIONAL FIREARMS TRANSFER REGISTRY (actually a tax log).

Still one of the most screwed up things the Gov.org came up with--for you to get an NFA item, you have to submit paperwork, get fingerprints, a CLEO signoff --just to be sure you are eligiable to pay the tax.

And, they set the $200 tax ($5 for AOW, if only because one Legislator of the time had the balls to stand up for something) at the value (at the time) of a Thompson SMG.

The idea was that 'gangsters' used them, so if they doubled the price, the gangsters wouldn't get them--so, the average joe now couldn't afford them, however the rum runners (and Irish Whiskey smugglers--you know how your family got their money, don't you Ted Kennedy!!) had plenty of $$ and had no trouble buying the guns.

It is also my understanding that live (Explosive) 40mm shells are individual destructive devices and need to have a $200 transfer tax paid on EACH shell (Damn expensive shooting).

AFARR



Well In CO the STATE considers any ammo over .50 cal to be DD ammo and requires you to have a "Storage permit". Even for chalk rounds... Trust me on this.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 7:29:37 PM EDT
Hmmm.. I am pretty sure that a 40mm tube requires a stamp.

Please correct me if I am wrong.
CH
off to look thru the atf faq
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 6:54:19 PM EDT
Yes, the tube is a DD.

Individual explosive cartridges for it are also separate DDs

Chalk, etc. are not.

AFARR
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 6:56:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By shop_rat45:
Yay!! I win! I win!! I will be the owner of a chalk rocket!



Hate to burst your bubble, but I don't think DDs are legal in MI.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:05:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:05:33 PM EDT
In 1960 the NRA got congress to pass a law that lowered the transfer tax on AOWs to five dollars.

Some AOWs also got taken off the registery.

CRC
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:07:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mjrowley:
look here



Nice.

I want the smoke rounds.

Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:17:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
In 1960 the NRA got congress to pass a law that lowered the transfer tax on AOWs to five dollars.

Some AOWs also got taken off the registery.

CRC



So what are all the AOW's out there? All I can thinkof are the "Pen Guns" and short barrell shotguns.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 8:02:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
In 1960 the NRA got congress to pass a law that lowered the transfer tax on AOWs to five dollars.

Some AOWs also got taken off the registery.

CRC



So what are all the AOW's out there? All I can thinkof are the "Pen Guns" and short barrell shotguns.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 8:09:11 PM EDT
Shotgun with a forward grip (Serbu Super Shorty).

Link Posted: 9/26/2005 8:15:31 PM EDT
suitcase guns, cane guns, smoothbore pistols,

Forget the whole definition
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 9:19:20 PM EDT
Shit, I've got a case of 25 chalk rounds I'd love to sell for $13 each! Any takers?

They can be had for much cheaper than that...........
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 9:22:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Scollins:
Shit, I've got a case of 25 chalk rounds I'd love to sell for $13 each! Any takers?

They can be had for much cheaper than that...........



where can you find them cheaper?
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 9:28:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/26/2005 9:29:24 PM EDT by Scollins]

Originally Posted By AROKIE:

Originally Posted By Scollins:
Shit, I've got a case of 25 chalk rounds I'd love to sell for $13 each! Any takers?

They can be had for much cheaper than that...........



where can you find them cheaper?



I paid $400 for 100 rounds from a subguns.com ad a few months ago. They are classed "seconds" so there have been a few duds (100 foot flight or less.) I've had less than 10% of the rounds fail to fire properly though. That still works out to less than $4.50 each.

www.bigskysurplus.com was the seller. He is now listing them at $175/25 on his website ($7 each.) If you buy two cases (200 rounds) the price drops to $4.95 ($990 for 200.) He doesn't say they are seconds, so these should be first quality. I saw him at the local fun show a month or two ago, and he still had some seconds for $125/25. I should have bought more.....
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 9:38:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
suitcase guns, cane guns, smoothbore pistols,

Forget the whole definition



smoothbore pistols, why would that be special?

I want a 37mm now....
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