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Posted: 9/8/2010 6:18:26 AM EDT
40% of guns used in Mexico crimes originated in Texas
(4:28 a.m.)By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times Posted: 09/08/2010 04:32:00 AM MDT Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas, according to a report issued Tuesday by a coalition of U.S. mayors. The bipartisan advocacy group Mayors Against Illegal Guns reported that 2,076 guns recovered at crime scenes in Mexico were tracked to Texas by the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms and Explosives. Texas had the highest percentage of any state in the study. Another 36 percent of guns seized in Mexico were traced to sales in New Mexico, Arizona and California, according to the report by the coalition of 500 mayors. El Paso is not listed as part of the group. "Illegal guns and their accompanying violence devastate communities across our country. Now we know more about how guns purchased here have helped sustain violent drug wars in Mexico," New York City mayor and coalition co-chairman Michael R. Bloomberg said in a statement. The report titled, The Movement of Illegal Guns Across the U.S.-Mexico Border, was based on ATF data provided to the organization in March. The report mentioned "90 percent of guns recovered and traced from Mexican crime scenes originated from gun dealers in the United States." An El Paso Times investigation last year found that the "90 percent" figure, which was even quoted by President Barack Obama, refers to only the percentage of the guns submitted by Mexico to the ATF for tracing and not all guns seized in Mexico. A spokesman for the National Rifle Association declined to comment on the new report because he had yet to see it. Mayors Against Illegal Guns reported the ATF traced more than 5,000 guns from Mexico in 2009. The report showed the period from when a gun is purchased and then recovered in a crime in the U.S. is nearly 11 years, but the period was three years for guns in Mexico. A recent Mexican government report on the drug war stated more than 84,000 firearms have been seized in Mexico from December 2006 to July of this year. The Mexican government reported the current violence is due to seven wars among drug cartels in various regions of the country. There have been more than 28,000 murders in Mexico linked to organized crime since December 2006. In Juárez, about 2,000 people have been killed this year because of the war between the Juárez and Sinaloa drug cartels. The Sinaloa cartel is also called the Pacific cartel. Juárez Mayor Jose Reyes Ferriz is among voices asking the United States to do more to stop the flow of weaponry, including high-powered AK-47s and AR-15 rifles preferred by cartel gunmen. "A high percentage of weapons that come into Ciudad Juárez come from the United States, and Texas is the perfect corridor. It worries us a lot," Juárez city spokesman Jaime Torres said. Torres said the Juárez government is thankful for inspections by U.S. federal agents on the international bridges looking for firearms destined for Mexico. The ATF is attempting to keep weapons out of the hands of Mexican drug cartels by increasingly cooperating with Mexican authorities, working with U.S. gun dealers and placing a bigger emphasis on the border. ATF spokesman Special Agent Tom Crowley said a large number of firearms smuggled to Mexico historically come from Texas simply because of the huge Texas-Mexico border. "What's important to realize about weapons going into Mexico is that it's not only a border issue," Crowley said via telephone from Dallas. "In El Paso, we are real busy. Everyday we are working firearms cases. We got cases out here in Dallas, Oklahoma and - to be honest - all around the country we have cases." Crowley said cooperation between the ATF and gun sellers is needed to identify "straw buyers," or customers purchasing weapons for somebody else, including gun traffickers. Crowley said the ATF in the "near future" will be adding extra staff in El Paso, including firearm-trafficking investigators and agents gathering intelligence. Daniel Borunda may be reached at [email protected]; 546-6102. http://www.lcsun-news.com/las_cruces-news/ci_16017773 |
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Why is there a little voice screaming in the background that liars can figure and figures can lie?
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Few thousand guns vs tens of millions of illegals. Sounds like mehico is getting the better deal.
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Is the problem the guns, inflated percentages in the report, or the illegals that take the guns back to Mexico?
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Obviously they didn't include the RPGs, Assault Rifles, Grenades, 40mm Launchers etc all supplied to the cartels through corrupt military and .gov officials in Mexico.
ETA: I wonder how many of those guns were bought legally, then illegally transported over the border. If those facts were reported, it would probably show the real problem is border security, and not who legally purchases guns in the United States.
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Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas... Yeah, of those guns they chose to trace... Man, the antis are getting incredible mileage out of such a simple statistical trick. Of course they have little else to work with at the moment. |
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My thought is that a closed border with monitored crossings would solve this issue for our neighbors to the south...
Just sayin'... p |
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statistics lie quite well when you have an agenda. 40% that were traced. What percentage were given to the ATFf to trace (were the other 99% obviously from the US Gov, how about ones obviously from other foreign sources also given, or simply not handed over)? Did the ATF attempt to trace all guns given to them, or did they also cherry pick the sample? Of those they tried to trace, how many did they fail to trace?
I can say that 100% of the people I dated were female. That says nothing about the general population - it only denotes that I date women. |
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So you're meaning to tell me that a large percentage of guns made in the US come from the US?
No way! So you're telling me that most AR15s used in crimes come from the US? This is amazing! |
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And 80% of drugs used in Texas originated in Mexico. SEAL THE BORDER!
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IN OTHER WORDS....
Country that has no gun manufacturing receives their guns from countries that manufacture guns. This is the weakest argument the libs have ever hung onto to ban guns. If this is all they have to hold on to, we're on the right track. |
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I'm willing to bet well over 40% of violent crimes in Texas are perpetraded by individuals who originated in Mexico.
...so taking those doctored numbers at face value, let's just call it even, fuckers. I'm at a loss to understand why I should give a warm fuck about the guns going to Mexico to be used in crimes when nobody in the goddamn federal government gives a warm fuck about the Mexicans/Guatemalans/Salvidorians coming into our country to commit crimes. |
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its ALL in the wording. 40% of the guns TRACED by the ATF That could be 4 of them, out of the 10 they traced. I bet MANY guns were never sent to the ATFf for tracing. Besides, most of those problems end if they secure their northern border like they do their southern border. Never forget, the value of human life is much less in south and central america, thanks to socialism. TXL |
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In other news, 90% of crimes are caused by criminals (I allow lawyers and polititicians at least 10%).
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I bet MANY guns were never sent to the ATFf for tracing. Precisely. When you see pics of seized weapons it's generally a good bet that the M16's with M203's attached, RPGs, grenades, and similar weapons aren't sent to the BATFE for tracing purposes. Just the handguns and the like...which make up fuck all of the arsenal the cartels have. International drug dealers are not taking over Mexico based solely on handguns bought from unlicensed dealers at gunshows. That ain't where their muscle is coming from. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I bet MANY guns were never sent to the ATFf for tracing. Precisely. When you see pics of seized weapons it's generally a good bet that the M16's with M203's attached, RPGs, grenades, and similar weapons aren't sent to the BATFE for tracing purposes. Just the handguns and the like...which make up fuck all of the arsenal the cartels have. International drug dealers are not taking over Mexico based solely on handguns bought from unlicensed dealers at gunshows. That ain't where their muscle is coming from. And then , some of these guns are built up from 80% lowers or pressed AK kits, they're just assembling parts. Of course the media won't listen to evil gun owners. |
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My thought is that a closed border with monitored crossings would solve this issue for our neighbors to the south... Just sayin'... p Naw, gun control in the United States is a much better solution to this problem. |
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its ALL in the wording. 40% of the guns TRACED by the ATF That could be 4 of them, out of the 10 they traced. I bet MANY guns were never sent to the ATFf for tracing. Besides, most of those problems end if they secure their northern border like they do their southern border. Never forget, the value of human life is much less in south and central america, thanks to socialism. TXL If I were a betting man, I'd wager that the Mexican government does what it can to trace crime guns through their own resources first. When an origin fails to pop in their system, they call the BATFE. So of course the numbers of THOSE guns are going to trace high to US origin. |
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Good job Texas. Ruining it for the rest of us. Sheesh.
J/K Im sure it is biased somehow by a anti |
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Quoted: The D/FW gun shows suck. I never see any grenades. The guy in the back corner usually has a couple RPGs |
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(A) Headline: 40% of guns used in Mexico crimes originated in Texas
(B) Article: Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas A <> B |
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I just re-read it like twice..This has to be the most amazing convoluted nonsense ever written.
Yeah..seal it up ...fuckers! |
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It's outsourcing.
They're just carrying guns without a license that Texans can't. |
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40% of guns used in Mexico crimes originated in Texas (4:28 a.m.)By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times Posted: 09/08/2010 04:32:00 AM MDT Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas, according to a report issued Tuesday by a coalition of U.S. mayors. The headline and the first line of the story are two very different things. They are only equal if and only if the ATF traced 100% of all guns used in crimes in Mexico, which is certainly not the case. |
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Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year
If I wanted to achieve such a statistic, I would only send the ATF semi-auto AKs and ARs, and relatively common (in the U.S.) handguns for tracing. Just saying. |
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They admittedly have seven wars going on amongst drug cartels, seven wars! And all they can come up with is where forty percent of the guns came from
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so what 99.999 percent of drugs comes from meh heee coo like we should give a shit about their problems
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40% of guns used in Mexico crimes originated in Texas (4:28 a.m.)By Daniel Borunda / El Paso Times Posted: 09/08/2010 04:32:00 AM MDT Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas, according to a report issued Tuesday by a coalition of U.S. mayors. The headline and the first line of the story are two very different things. They are only equal if and only if the ATF traced 100% of all guns used in crimes in Mexico, which is certainly not the case. When they fed us the higher figure two years ago I think the actual number of guns ACTUALLY run through the ATF from Mehico was in the single digits. Something like 80-90%? |
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THEN BUILD THE DAMN WALL AND THIS WILL STOP. You know? For a bunch of overpaid Gov. policymakers, they just can't put 1 and 1 together, even if it meant their lives.
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I think your founding fathers would encourage more guns in Mexico.
The USA being on the defensive on this one is insane: A) The Mexican .gov is a corrupt cluster fuck and does not respect anything in the BOR. B) Gun ownership is a natural right of man, All Men Are Endowed By Their Creator With Certain Inalienable Rights etc. |
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Our border needs to be sealed, so we can get lulz for comparing TJ guns to Khyber pass guns.
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out of 10,000 guns seized, 10 were sent to the ATF. Of the 10, 4 came from Texas. 40% of all the guns sent to the ATF are from Texas. None of the 10 guns were Class III.
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Quoted: I'm willing to bet well over 40% of violent crimes in Texas are perpetraded by individuals who originated in Mexico. ...so taking those doctored numbers at face value, let's just call it even, fuckers. I'm at a loss to understand why I should give a warm fuck about the guns going to Mexico to be used in crimes when nobody in the goddamn federal government gives a warm fuck about the Mexicans/Guatemalans/Salvidorians coming into our country to commit crimes. We can blame plenty on the illegals but considering 11.5% of the Texas population contributes 44% of the prison population I don't think we can go that far. Texas prison population by race: Year Anglo Black Hispanic Other Texas racial make up 2006-2008 survey:
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"Illegal guns and their accompanying violence devastate communities across our country. Now we know more about how guns purchased here have helped sustain violent drug wars in Mexico," New York City mayor and coalition co-chairman Michael R. Bloomberg said in a statement. |
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I bet MANY guns were never sent to the ATFf for tracing. Precisely. When you see pics of seized weapons it's generally a good bet that the M16's with M203's attached, RPGs, grenades, and similar weapons aren't sent to the BATFE for tracing purposes. THough if they did they would find the M16s came from the US or Canada. |
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Well, some of them might have been purchased by Hispanics with valid drivers licenses.
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I guess they should do something about the illegals robbing fucking houses in Texas then huh
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I assume ALL media is corrupt. If something they say is precisely true, I consider it a fortunate coincidence.
TC |
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A few years back certain types of airgun were banned in the UK on the basis that the Metropolitan Police claimed that of all the illegal guns they recovered, 50% of them were a handgun model of this type, converted to fire live ammunition. As a result, any airgun using the same system, pistol or rifle, was banned. Shortly after, the Met admitted they had made a mistake, and it had actually only been 5%. The ban still stands......................
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My thought is that a closed border with monitored crossings would solve this issue for our neighbors to the south... Just sayin'... p + Quoted:
And 80% of drugs used in Texas originated in Mexico. SEAL THE BORDER! = too much common sense for this administration. |
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Why is there a little voice screaming in the background that liars can figure and figures can lie? The figures are probably correct, if you are only talking about the guns that were traced. These numbers do not include the guns sold by crooked Mexican cops, soldiers, and so on from the Mexican government stocks of weapons. Or guns supplied other South American crimes syndicates that were either bought from foreign arms dealers, governments, or other sources having jack to do with Texas gun shows. |
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Forty percent of Mexico gun crimes traced by the ATF last year used guns originally sold in Texas... Yeah, of those guns they chose to trace... Man, the antis are getting incredible mileage out of such a simple statistical trick. Of course they have little else to work with at the moment. 40% of the traceable guns originated in Texas. |
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