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Posted: 4/21/2017 3:21:34 PM EST
Ya know what?......

fuck it.....I'm out......

If he actually sells it for that, I'm ditching every NFA weapon I have and never looking back....

http://www.subguns.com/classifieds/index.cgi?db=nfafirearms&website=&language=&session_key=&search_and_display_db_button=on&results_format=long&db_id=28718&query=retrieval

Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:22:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/21/2017 3:22:50 PM EST by Cole2534]
That's about .50$ in aluminum.  
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:23:00 PM EST
Fuck that
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:23:22 PM EST
Geeze, 10 minutes with the mill and I can sell it for 37K, I am in the wrong business..



I know, I can't legally do that anymore, but wow!

Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:23:56 PM EST
Bumpfire stock.

Lots of ammo.

Have fun.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:26:13 PM EST
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
Bumpfire stock.

Lots of ammo.

Have fun.
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I own FA guns, but because they are so damn expensive these days, the bumpfire gets shot way more!
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:27:09 PM EST
What a joke
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:29:49 PM EST
I hope the devil fucks Charlie Rangel in the ass with a flaming aids cactus. 
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:32:47 PM EST
but the HPA will pass
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:33:16 PM EST
Is it illegal to clone this but not for putting in a firearm but more for a Xmas tree ornament?
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:33:29 PM EST
Remember, it is a capitalist supply and demand.

I believe there ain't going be a Dan for that one
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:35:13 PM EST
Guess the breakdown in cost is:

Material: $0.58
Labor: $10.00
Not going to jail: $36,989.42
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:37:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DaveP1:
Geeze, 10 minutes with the mill and I can sell it for 37K, I am in the wrong business..



I know, I can't legally do that anymore, but wow!

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I wonder how many thousands of them suppress-on sold for > $100. Over the years.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:41:01 PM EST
Is the material it's made from a matter of record on the transfer forms? Not that it'd be legal, but if a duplicate were to be made from steel, and the aluminum one destroyed, would anyone really know?
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:41:35 PM EST
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Originally Posted By KingRollo:
Is it illegal to clone this but not for putting in a firearm but more for a Xmas tree ornament?
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I thin k the standard has been set.  As Long as you did not intend to use it as a sear then you should be good right?
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:42:37 PM EST
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
Bumpfire stock.

Lots of ammo.

Have fun.
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I figure the effect is similar...let's assume we're going top-of-the-line here with a Fostech DefendAR-15 for like $400...that leaves $36,600 for ammunition. At 30c/round of Wolf Gold, that gives us 122,200 rounds to shoot before we hit the cost of an RDIAS. Not counting parts wear and replacement, obviously

The choice is clear.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:55:25 PM EST
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Originally Posted By redfish86:
Bumpfire stock.

Lots of ammo.

Have fun.
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Fostech Echo!
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:56:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/21/2017 3:56:39 PM EST by 1Andy2]
Piece of aluminum square stock, 3 milling operations (only 2 setups) and 1 drilling operation. Wow. That looks easy as hell to make.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:57:29 PM EST
Are they not normally aluminum? I thought they went for like 15k.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:58:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DetrhoytMAK:
Is the material it's made from a matter of record on the transfer forms? Not that it'd be legal, but if a duplicate were to be made from steel, and the aluminum one destroyed, would anyone really know?
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The BATF is fairly well educated as to what types of materials DIAS manufacturers used pre-'86....and how they were machined, and how they were marked....

21st Century laser engraving on a steel DIAS body that should have been made from aluminum and engraved with an electro-pencil will get you busted......
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:59:44 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Piece of aluminum square stock, 3 milling operations (only 2 setups) and 1 drilling operation. Wow. That looks easy as hell to make.
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Making the sear can be the tricky part with timing ECT. Also there are two hoes and one is threaded on the rdias body, one to hold onto the rear takedown lug on the upper.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 3:59:56 PM EST
Inb4 DIAS necklace guy
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:01:09 PM EST
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Originally Posted By JimEb:
Guess the breakdown in cost is:

Material: $0.58
Labor: $10.00
Not going to jail: $36,989.42
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This. Still you would think a rig job like a DIAS would cost less than a from the factory FA.

Anyway $36k is wishful thinking anyway. I know where there's a vintage Colt FA (not sure M-16 or AR-15) but it has collector value along with it's NFA value. Don't remember what they were asking I think $20k something but it damn sure wasn't $36k.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:03:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By brandon_:
Are they not normally aluminum? I thought they went for like 15k.
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Lightning link is about 12-15k
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:05:20 PM EST
When I bought my Mac, I said I would sell when it had doubled in price. It took 2 years. Now I miss it.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:06:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By AR18:
Remember, it is a capitalist supply and demand.
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Yup...
It's a perfect example of what happens when there's government manipulation of the free market.
What should be sold in a 3-pack for $9.95 on late night TV is instead priced at $37,000 due to government manipulation of the supply.

There is a lesson to be learned here but most people are far too stupid to understand it.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:06:29 PM EST
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Originally Posted By dinmax82:


Lightning link is about 12-15k
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Lightning link is a real piece of crap too...
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:09:59 PM EST
Hk sears also.

I would be fine with losing the value of mines if it goes away.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:10:43 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 1Andy2:
Piece of aluminum square stock, 3 milling operations (only 2 setups) and 1 drilling operation. Wow. That looks easy as hell to make.
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They are really easy to make... or so I was told by a guy who knows a guy

Seriously I would just get a echo trigger, When the day comes I need a machine gun I will have bigger things to worry about than if I have a piece of paper saying it's legal.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:14:43 PM EST
Ain't that some shit.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:15:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By POINTMAN380:
I thin k the standard has been set.  As Long as you did not intend to use it as a sear then you should be good right?
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Would make a good bottle opener too
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:20:17 PM EST
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Originally Posted By POINTMAN380:
I thin k the standard has been set.  As Long as you did not intend to use it as a sear then you should be good right?
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Give that a shot and see how that works out


I'll get some popcorn ready
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:23:51 PM EST
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Originally Posted By wildearp:


Fostech Echo!
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Makes the $450 of one of those or a Digitrigger or a Franklin look like a bargain by comparison.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:27:38 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Use_the_2nd:
Inb4 DIAS necklace guy
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Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:31:46 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:42:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/21/2017 4:45:09 PM EST by agb104983]
That necklace picture is the Fleming guy and those are Fleming HK Sears. I think specifically that picture is the son that now runs the place. I know they have a bunch of transferable Sears that they have held onto all these years so those are all transferable. If you look closely, those are serial numbers 1 through 15. They sold one of their low serial number sears or at least had it up for sale maybe a couple years ago but it was a much higher serial number so who knows how many they really have
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:55:44 PM EST
This is about the same price as their steel counterparts no?
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 4:57:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By POINTMAN380:
I thin k the standard has been set.  As Long as you did not intend to use it as a sear then you should be good right?
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Originally Posted By POINTMAN380:
Originally Posted By KingRollo:
Is it illegal to clone this but not for putting in a firearm but more for a Xmas tree ornament?
I thin k the standard has been set.  As Long as you did not intend to use it as a sear then you should be good right?
I approve!
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 5:02:19 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 5:07:08 PM EST
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Originally Posted By 300blkfan:


Making the sear can be the tricky part with timing ECT. Also there are two hoes and one is threaded on the rdias body, one to hold onto the rear takedown lug on the upper.
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Very few done with the set screw; none of the ones I've owned or examined had a set screw, and I've owned and examined a number of them (RPB, JCB, Whitman, Broadhead, Wilson, and a couple others). I think that was mostly something people did after they got them, not something any manufacturer did when they were making them.
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 5:12:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DetrhoytMAK:
Is the material it's made from a matter of record on the transfer forms? Not that it'd be legal, but if a duplicate were to be made from steel, and the aluminum one destroyed, would anyone really know?
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The material isn't on record, but at least for the bigger names, BATFE pretty much knows what manufacturer's DIAS's were made of what materials. JCB used steel and was pretty nicely finished compared to most, RPB was steel, but rougher finish, Broadhead was aluminum...
Link Posted: 4/21/2017 5:20:18 PM EST
Had no idea they were up to those prices. I prefer the third hole approach myself but I guess there is some value in being able to move it around between guns. If I was going to drop a bunch of coin on one I'd go for the steel body for sure. As much as my M16 lower is worth, I almost wish it was made of steel.
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