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Posted: 10/27/2013 1:44:26 PM EST
Would that be anout the minimum?
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:46:13 PM EST
Originally Posted By KampusKop:
Would that be anout the minimum?
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Should work for hunting but I would want something bigger for SD.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:51:35 PM EST
Didn't I just do this thread?

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:55:38 PM EST
Yeah, should be noisy enough to scare most bears away.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:56:37 PM EST
Rifle or Revolver?

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:21:23 PM EST
I'd sy you're fine against black bears if you want to kill it. If I wanted to stop the bear, I'd step up to .44. I have no science to back this up.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 2:23:26 PM EST
I'd think a 180 gr hard cast lead would penetrate better.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:07:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By GAcop:
I'd think a 180 gr hard cast lead would penetrate better.
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This.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:08:44 PM EST
Maybe for a headshot.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:09:59 PM EST
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't really have to worry about bears, but isn't penetration more of a concern than expansion when it comes to bears?
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:11:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2013 3:19:59 PM EST by Pullo1978]
Your doing it wrong! All you need is a small bag of garbage, throw it at the bear and problem solved, carry on about your business. They also like peanut butter and jelly sammiches. Friends foreva!

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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:12:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ElectricSheep556:
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I don't really have to worry about bears, but isn't penetration more of a concern than expansion when it comes to bears?
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This is my way of thinking, personally.

It can be a long trip through a bear to get to his vitals.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:13:48 PM EST
In before the people who have never been hunting a day in their life.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:15:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By slicknick:
I'd sy you're fine against black bears if you want to kill it. If I wanted to stop the bear, I'd step up to .44. I have no science to back this up.
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I've never shot a bear and have no desire to, but, yeah, this.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:16:38 PM EST
I would think that would be the bear minimum
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:17:39 PM EST
I dreamed the other night that I had to defend myself against an angry black bear with only my G17.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:18:22 PM EST
I had a book about handgun hunting written in the 70s when I was a kid and it seemed like .357 was the caliber of choice for black bear back then, .44mag was considered overkill.

Black bear usually aren't all that big. All that said I think I'd choose a .45colt if I thought it likely I'd have to shoot a black bear with a handgun that day, rather than .357.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:18:47 PM EST
173 gr Keith SWC hard cast is what you want. Better have a real 357 magnum with a 6"+ barrel to launch a full power load.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:19:40 PM EST
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Originally Posted By savageoneseven:
Yeah, should be noisy enough to scare most bears away.
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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:20:16 PM EST
Black bears here in southern AL go about 350lbs max. 357 Hardcast out of a rifle with 16 inch barrel wouldnt be to bad but would rather have a 44.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:22:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By patchouli:
Didn't I just do this thread?

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Someone did.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:23:07 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Bones45:


This.
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Originally Posted By Bones45:
Originally Posted By GAcop:
I'd think a 180 gr hard cast lead would penetrate better.


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Yep. Buffalo bore please.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 3:24:15 PM EST
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Originally Posted By montana278:


Yep. Buffalo bore please.
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Originally Posted By montana278:
Originally Posted By Bones45:
Originally Posted By GAcop:
I'd think a 180 gr hard cast lead would penetrate better.


This.


Yep. Buffalo bore please.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:23:11 PM EST
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Originally Posted By patchouli:
Didn't I just do this thread?

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No, yours was on stopping an attacking black bear. This is on hunting them, which is completely different. Personally, I hunt black bears with a bow. This is in the Northern part of Manitoba though, where black bears get 500+ pounds. To the guys that are saying penetration is better, these are black bears not brown bears. They have fairly thin skin compared to their bigger cousins and a .357 should work just fine. On a brown bear I want something a little bigger, say .44 or better yet a rifle or bow.
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 6:47:04 PM EST
Got some looks in NE Pa when I showed up with a Ruger Redhawk in 44 Magnum. Backup rifle was a Marlin 1984 in 44 Mag. State record was around 690 pounds, so maybe the other guy who pumped 3 rounds of 7-08 into "my" bear did me a favor.

Paladin
Link Posted: 10/28/2013 6:50:33 PM EST
For average black bears a .357 with some heavy buffalo bore loads should work out fine. If in doubt upgrade to one of the BIG N SCARY revolvers like a 44mag or a .454 casull.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:35:07 AM EST
everybody knows its 22 for grizzly. shot placement


http://www.angelfire.com/on2/LandOwner/misc/Grizley1.html
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 2:43:54 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Poop3rscoop3r:
No, yours was on stopping an attacking black bear. This is on hunting them, which is completely different. Personally, I hunt black bears with a bow. This is in the Northern part of Manitoba though, where black bears get 500+ pounds. To the guys that are saying penetration is better, these are black bears not brown bears. They have fairly thin skin compared to their bigger cousins and a .357 should work just fine. On a brown bear I want something a little bigger, say .44 or better yet a rifle or bow.
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Originally Posted By Poop3rscoop3r:
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Didn't I just do this thread?

No, yours was on stopping an attacking black bear. This is on hunting them, which is completely different. Personally, I hunt black bears with a bow. This is in the Northern part of Manitoba though, where black bears get 500+ pounds. To the guys that are saying penetration is better, these are black bears not brown bears. They have fairly thin skin compared to their bigger cousins and a .357 should work just fine. On a brown bear I want something a little bigger, say .44 or better yet a rifle or bow.


Manitoba so it's a rifle then? You will be fine. Black bears are not that tough to kill. Blood trial usually sucks though.
Link Posted: 10/29/2013 8:15:52 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dcormier1:
everybody knows its 22 for grizzly. shot placement


http://www.angelfire.com/on2/LandOwner/misc/Grizley1.html
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Yep. Just forward of the ear.

Your ear.
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