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Posted: 6/6/2008 7:27:22 AM EDT
Enough coddling. Fire them.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:01:42 AM EDT
[#1]
They weren't doing anything anyway.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:02:52 AM EDT
[#2]

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They weren't doing anything anyway.


Yes..."Turtles" is back
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:05:26 AM EDT
[#3]
Uh...  It's early June.  School's out for summer.  Nobody will notice.

-Gator
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:19:08 AM EDT
[#4]
story?
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:22:46 AM EDT
[#5]
How can there even BE 30,000 teachers in Los Angeles?  If you figure maybe 20 to 30 teachers per school, that means there are over 1,000 schools just in the city of Los Angeles?  Jesus.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:23:48 AM EDT
[#6]
There is hope yet.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:24:12 AM EDT
[#7]

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Uh...  It's early June.  School's out for summer.  Nobody will notice.

-Gator


California does the crazy school calender where they only get one month of contiguous vacation in the summer.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:24:20 AM EDT
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How can there even BE 30,000 teachers in Los Angeles?  If you figure maybe 20 to 30 teachers per school, that means there are over 1,000 schools just in the city of Los Angeles?  Jesus.


20-30 teachers per school?  No.

WAY more then that.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:24:38 AM EDT
[#9]

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They weren't doing anything anyway.


Beaten to it.  I doubt anyone will notice a difference that they're gone.

_MaH
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:25:26 AM EDT
[#10]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Unified_School_District

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Unified_School_District

45.7k teachers total.


It's a BIG district.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:26:41 AM EDT
[#11]
Who cares?



Max
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:26:47 AM EDT
[#12]
But I thought they cared about the chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll­lllllldren?!?!
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:27:11 AM EDT
[#13]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Unified_School_District

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Unified_School_District

45.7k teachers total.


It's a BIG district.
........Correction...........It's BIG welfare system!!!!!
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:27:26 AM EDT
[#14]
Big city, lots of schools.

I think NYC has even more.  They have so many schools they don't even name them, just give them numbers.

I think.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:28:41 AM EDT
[#15]

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But I thought they cared about the chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll­lllllldren?!?!


That's the last thing Teachers care about. They care about working a part time job with full time pay.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:28:51 AM EDT
[#16]
Fuck 'em, it was their union that created this situation.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:31:47 AM EDT
[#17]
link?  I haven't kept up with any news for the last few days....  let alone LA news.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:32:01 AM EDT
[#18]
This guy will make everything alright.

Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:33:13 AM EDT
[#19]

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This guy will make everything alright.

www.collegenowlive.com/IMAGES/ImagesPEARL/StandandDeliverBWCrop.jpg


"How can I reach these kids?"
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:34:23 AM EDT
[#20]

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Uh...  It's early June.  School's out for summer.  Nobody will notice.

-Gator


California does the crazy school calender where they only get one month of contiguous vacation in the summer.


My sons go to public school here in NorCal.  They got out for the summer yesterday and do not start up for the new year until the end of August.  You must be thinking of the schools that run a year round schedule.  These schools are in the minority, being far outnumbered by the schools on a traditional schedule.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:34:50 AM EDT
[#21]

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They weren't doing anything anyway.


Exactly.

I wonder if the kids even noticed?
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:35:18 AM EDT
[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:
This guy will make everything alright.

www.collegenowlive.com/IMAGES/ImagesPEARL/StandandDeliverBWCrop.jpg


"How can I reach these kids?"


Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:36:20 AM EDT
[#23]

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link?  I haven't kept up with any news for the last few days....  let alone LA news.


news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=&q=Los+Angeles+teachers
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:39:33 AM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:

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But I thought they cared about the chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll­lllllldren?!?!


That's the last thing Teachers care about. They care about working a part time job with full time pay.


Negative, my wife is a teacher and she cares about the kids as do all the other teachers I've met. I don't know anything about CA teachers though.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:41:37 AM EDT
[#25]
Well I have sympathies for the teachers.  The schools K-12 have been cut so many times in the past, that they are barely functioning. True L.A Unified has wasted much of their money, and their super is a not an educator(Brewer was an USN admiral), and LAUSD has many systemic problems not related to money. My local school district in the San Gabriel Valley(10 miles east of Los Angeles) has assured the teachers that there won't be lay-offs in their ranks, but there were no such assurances for the rest of the staff.

The problem is that the Dems and Republican must meet each other half-way, the Dems must cut $10 billion dollars and the Repubs probably has to raise taxes $10 billion. One big problem is that the Dems philosophy of "taxing the rich" has failed them.  When the rich get poorer......

And on top of everything else, the Calif state lottery money that was meant for the schools, the state has cut back funding for every dollar contributed by the lottery in violation against state law.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:41:44 AM EDT
[#26]
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:42:40 AM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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But I thought they cared about the chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll­lllllldren?!?!


That's the last thing Teachers care about. They care about working a part time job with full time pay.


Negative, my wife is a teacher and she cares about the kids as do all the other teachers I've met. I don't know anything about CA teachers though.


My wife is the president of the PTA at our youngest sons elementary school.  Through her interactions with the teachers and administrators, I can say that they all care very much for the children.  Face it, nobody becomes a teacher to become rich.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:42:46 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

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But I thought they cared about the chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll­lllllldren?!?!


That's the last thing Teachers care about. They care about working a part time job with full time pay.


Teachers are only paid for the months they teach.  They have the option to have money taken out of their check every month and then given back to them over the summer.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:44:37 AM EDT
[#29]
I wonder if the drop out rate will drop while they are on walk out.  Heck, the functional literacy rate could actually go up too.

Of course, I wonder if the LAUSD administrators will get a raise while the teachers are out, making their budget issues even worse.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:44:48 AM EDT
[#30]

LOS ANGELES – Thousands of teachers in the nation's second-largest school district were expected to stage a job action in protest of state funding cuts after a judge Thursday refused to order a halt to the walkout.

More than 30,000 teachers across the Los Angeles Unified School District planned to picket at their schools for one hour Friday morning to protest $353 million in state budget cuts for the upcoming school year, said Joshua Pechthalt, vice president of 48,000-member United Teachers Los Angeles. Teachers will not be paid for that hour.

“We've been lobbying and making phone calls, but our most powerful weapon is when we withhold our labor,” he told a press conference.



Not Teachers, Leechers. Leftist Liberal Looters and Polluters!
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:46:06 AM EDT
[#31]

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LOS ANGELES – Thousands of teachers in the nation's second-largest school district were expected to stage a job action in protest of state funding cuts after a judge Thursday refused to order a halt to the walkout.

More than 30,000 teachers across the Los Angeles Unified School District planned to picket at their schools for one hour Friday morning to protest $353 million in state budget cuts for the upcoming school year, said Joshua Pechthalt, vice president of 48,000-member United Teachers Los Angeles. Teachers will not be paid for that hour.

“We've been lobbying and making phone calls, but our most powerful weapon is when we withhold our labor,” he told a press conference.



Not Teachers, Leechers. Leftist Liberal Looters and Polluters!


The most over coddled, over glorified profession American has ever seen.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:46:26 AM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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But I thought they cared about the chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll­lllllldren?!?!


That's the last thing Teachers care about. They care about working a part time job with full time pay.


Teachers are only paid for the months they teach.  They have the option to have money taken out of their check every month and then given back to them over the summer.


Teachers get paid year round here.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:46:38 AM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
Well I have sympathies for the teachers.  The schools K-12 have been cut so many times in the past, that they are barely functioning. True L.A Unified has wasted much of their money, and their super is a not an educator(Brewer was an USN admiral), and LAUSD has many systemic problems not related to money. My local school district in the San Gabriel Valley(10 miles east of Los Angeles) has assured the teachers that there won't be lay-offs in their ranks, but there were no such assurances for the rest of the staff.

The problem is that the Dems and Republican must meet each other half-way, the Dems must cut $10 billion dollars and the Repubs probably has to raise taxes $10 billion. One big problem is that the Dems philosophy of "taxing the rich" has failed them.  When the rich get poorer......

And on top of everything else, the Calif state lottery money that was meant for the schools, the state has cut back funding for every dollar contributed by the lottery in violation against state law.


So true.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:49:19 AM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:
How can there even BE 30,000 teachers in Los Angeles?  If you figure maybe 20 to 30 teachers per school, that means there are over 1,000 schools just in the city of Los Angeles?  Jesus.


Our local highschool has 8,000 students. There are a lot more than 20 to 30 teachers per school.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:51:14 AM EDT
[#35]

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Fuck 'em, it was their union that created this situation.



Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:51:50 AM EDT
[#36]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:

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But I thought they cared about the chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll­lllllldren?!?!


That's the last thing Teachers care about. They care about working a part time job with full time pay.


Negative, my wife is a teacher and she cares about the kids as do all the other teachers I've met. I don't know anything about CA teachers though.


My wife is the president of the PTA at our youngest sons elementary school.  Through her interactions with the teachers and administrators, I can say that they all care very much for the children.  Face it, nobody becomes a teacher to become rich.
I agree.  I work with the local H.S. band as volunteer in the San Gabriel Valley(10 mile east of Los Angeles), and we have 4 music teachers, they are so extremely dedicated that is incredible.  One teacher who was a former electrical engineer(he's an EE guy, he could easily double his salary working in industry, and he actually worked for General Dynamics in Fort Worth TX for 10 years) goes to each of the 3 local middle schools to teach percussion and works au gratis.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:51:54 AM EDT
[#37]
Having been a veteran of LAUSD, I can tell ya this much, it has it's mix of good and bad teachers.

I taught in East Los Angeles and I really had alot of fun with the kids.

Had some interesting kids from all over the world who were enthusiastic about learning. But I had some dirtbag scum kids who just didn't care.

Parents were no better.

Great school district if you have your head on right. Great school district to substitute also. The pay is not bad and you get benefits after 120 days I believe.

I left because of the administrators.

All a bunch of blow hard and asshats with the long stupid meetings that produced nothing.

So I taught from 7-3 and then had to stay from 4-8 sometimes 9-10 in the night listening to the bullshits from administrators.

Funny thing about my school was that I used to go blasting at Angeles shooting range on sundays for stress relief.

I went on a saturday sometime and then found out that almost half the staff at my school that are teachers were there. Turns out they all go every two weeks plinking with .22's and AK's.

Some interesting teachers there. My favorite was a teacher from Idaho. Her dad and brothers have NFA, and she has a SB23 registered AW's in her house in LA.
She has some interesting weapons. Sadly..I never hit it off with her
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:52:31 AM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:

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But I thought they cared about the chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll­lllllldren?!?!


That's the last thing Teachers care about. They care about working a part time job with full time pay.


You obviously don't have a clue how many hours a week a typical teacher works.

Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:53:47 AM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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But I thought they cared about the chillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll­lllllldren?!?!


That's the last thing Teachers care about. They care about working a part time job with full time pay.


You obviously don't have a clue how many hours a week a typical teacher works.



Oh cut me a fucking break already.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:58:33 AM EDT
[#40]
If they'd stop embracing the fricking teacher's union and join the rest of us to boot the fuckers at the admin level and in the school district, I'd get behind them.  I feel for them, but they need to take the people really responsible and tar and feather them.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:58:35 AM EDT
[#41]

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I left because of the administrators.

All a bunch of blow hard and asshats with the long stupid meetings that produced nothing.

So I taught from 7-3 and then had to stay from 4-8 sometimes 9-10 in the night listening to the bullshits from administrators.
I've had many former LAUSD teachers tell me the same thing.  Those folks aren't worth the money they are paying them, administrator at LAUSD are part of the problem.

Actually the biggest problem of LAUSD is the sheer size of the district.  My local  district has only one H.S., 3 middle schools, and 7 elementary schools, and it can be easily managed by the local school 5 member board.  But when you have hundreds of high schools like LAUSD, the district becomes unmanageable.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:59:43 AM EDT
[#42]
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 8:59:54 AM EDT
[#43]

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This guy will make everything alright.








How do I reach these kids?
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 9:00:30 AM EDT
[#44]
bastards only work 9 months out of a year, pension at 20 years, and people complain they aren't being paid enough?
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 9:00:48 AM EDT
[#45]
Yes I really don't think you know Patriot.

I sincerely doubt you ever will also.

Having taught for nearly 7 years now before joining the Army, I can tell ya...it's the opposite...You get part-time pay practically for double shift work.

I worked from 7-3 and then did my planning, correcting, teacher STUPID ASS SCUM OF THE EARTH parent conferences, meeting with cops, counselors, child shrinks, Juvie PO's, administrative meetings from 4-9.

Nearly half the teachers where I taught had no social life and nearly 1/3 were divorced or into 2nd and 3rd marriages.

Teaching is a stressful job dude.

After 5 years in Los Angeles and 2 years in Oregon..it's a eyeopener on what a inner city teacher does.

What I learned is that you can only go so far....the parents have to do their part and so does the community.

Link Posted: 6/6/2008 9:03:14 AM EDT
[#46]

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bastards only work 9 months out of a year, and people complain they aren't being paid enough?


In my kids district they have other kids grade papers, parent teacher conferences are now held in the middle of the school day, when parents are working and don't forget a week off in the spring, two weeks of in winter and off for every ridiculous holiday imaginable.
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 9:04:44 AM EDT
[#47]

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Yes I really don't think you know Patriot.

I sincerely doubt you ever will also.

Having taught for nearly 7 years now before joining the Army, I can tell ya...it's the opposite...You get part-time pay practically for double shift work.

I worked from 7-3 and then did my planning, correcting, teacher STUPID ASS SCUM OF THE EARTH parent conferences, meeting with cops, counselors, child shrinks, Juvie PO's, administrative meetings from 4-9.

Nearly half the teachers where I taught had no social life and nearly 1/3 were divorced or into 2nd and 3rd marriages.

Teaching is a stressful job dude.

After 5 years in Los Angeles and 2 years in Oregon..it's a eyeopener on what a inner city teacher does.

What I learned is that you can only go so far....the parents have to do their part and so does the community.



Not nearly as stressful or difficult as working in the real world with more job protection that any other industry in America.

Link Posted: 6/6/2008 9:08:24 AM EDT
[#48]
Throw the illegals out of tax payer funded schools and keep spending the same = huge per pupil spending INCREASE.  Last I heard these were 400,000 illegal aliens in L.A. school district.  Illegals are screwing the system.  
Link Posted: 6/6/2008 9:13:40 AM EDT
[#49]
There is no job protection, you ass hat. I can tell from your post you have issues with teachers.

In any school district, I had no protection. I had performance reviews and standards to live up to.

Test scores and other factors play into the equation. I will admit that for older teachers that in the system, that's the case but for the younger ones.

There is no such thing as tenure anymore in LAUSD or other districts I was in.

You're on your toes all the time as a teacher. I have seen and was ordered to testify against teachers with bad conduct and other issues.


And all those holidays and other stuff was used for teacher training and in district teacher only planning sessions.

But I digress, you're from Illinois, the land of FOID and socialist realism a la Obama and Daley, so I doubt I can get to your head that not all teachers are bad. Then again maybe that lifetime job security thingy only works in Illinois so I understand your bitterness. But from my experience in California, Maryland, Virginia, and Oregon. I have not seen this tenured bullshit for young teachers, only for old farts who have done 40-50 years into the system.

Those should have retired after 20 years because in the end from my experience, I inherited some of the worst kids from those old farts, who didn't care anymore.

Oh yeah...there wasn't a thing called overtime when I was teaching. We just accepted it that you have to work nearly double shifts to get the job done.

Having an average of 35-50 kids for 5 of the 6 classes I taught in the day, even with TA's it wasn't enough.



Link Posted: 6/6/2008 9:16:40 AM EDT
[#50]

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There is no job protection, you ass hat. I can tell from your post you have issues with teachers.

In any school district, I had no protection. I had performance reviews and standards to live up to.

Test scores and other factors play into the equation. I will admit that for older teachers that in the system, that's the case but for the younger ones.

There is no such thing as tenure anymore in LAUSD or other districts I was in.

You're on your toes all the time as a teacher. I have seen and was ordered to testify against teachers with bad conduct and other issues.


And all those holidays and other stuff was used for teacher training and in district teacher only planning sessions.

But I digress, you're from Illinois, the land of FOID and socialist realism a la Obama and Daley, so I doubt I can get to your head that not all teachers are bad. Then again maybe that lifetime job security thingy only works in Illinois so I understand your bitterness. But from my experience in California, Maryland, Virginia, and Oregon. I have not seen this tenured bullshit for young teachers, only for old farts who have done 40-50 years into the system.

Those should have retired after 20 years because in the end from my experience, I inherited some of the worst kids from those old farts, who didn't care anymore.

Oh yeah...there wasn't a thing called overtime when I was teaching. We just accepted it that you have to work nearly double shifts to get the job done.

Having an average of 35-50 kids for 5 of the 6 classes I taught in the day, even with TA's it wasn't enough.





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