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Posted: 12/25/2006 9:36:09 PM EDT

I can't import videos onto iTunes. I'm normally very good with gadgets, but they are going out of their way to confuzle me.

Posted: 12/25/2006 9:40:46 PM EDT

[#1]

Same way you would a song?

Posted: 12/25/2006 9:42:44 PM EDT

[#2]

With videos I am not sure I only use mine for music.

Posted: 12/25/2006 9:43:05 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:
Same way you would a song?

You know, you'd think so, but here we are...

Posted: 12/25/2006 9:43:25 PM EDT

[#4]

I'll let you know as soon as I figure out how to use mine. Does yours still say "Do not disconnect."? Will it say that until it's fully charged?

Posted: 12/25/2006 9:48:12 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Same way you would a song?

You know, you'd think so, but here we are...

Tehehe....

Hmm...can you go into the Videos folder on Itunes and at least add videos? Cuz I could do that....

Posted: 12/25/2006 9:50:10 PM EDT

[#6]

Why the hell are those things so expensive? I was thinking of getting one with my christmas money but they are 250 bucks at best buy and I only got 270 for christmas. I need to buy mags for my 10/22 I got as well.

And no, i don't want to get a 2gig ipod nano, cause [Borat] Everyone knows IPod Nano is for girls [/borat]

Posted: 12/25/2006 9:59:12 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
Why the hell are those things so expensive? I was thinking of getting one with my christmas money but they are 250 bucks at best buy and I only got 270 for christmas. I need to buy mags for my 10/22 I got as well.

And no, i don't want to get a 2gig ipod nano, cause [Borat] Everyone knows IPod Nano is for girls [/borat]

Well for starters, the casing is made from pure Unobtanium...

Posted: 12/25/2006 10:05:10 PM EDT

[#8]

I picked up an 8GB nano this weekend for $199 at circuit city... and you still have nothing.

Posted: 12/25/2006 10:19:50 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:
I can't import videos onto iTunes. I'm normally very good with gadgets, but they are going out of their way to confuzle me.

Is it giving you any error mesage?

Posted: 12/25/2006 10:25:58 PM EDT

[#10]

Where's the best place to buy skins/cases for these? I'd prefer to not use ebay as I'm boycotting paypal.

Posted: 12/25/2006 10:26:51 PM EDT

[#11]

Quoted:
I'll let you know as soon as I figure out how to use mine. Does yours still say "Do not disconnect."? Will it say that until it's fully charged?

It will say that while the ipod is updating. It should take at most a few minutes. You can remove it prior to complete charge, just remember to 'stop' the usb port before phyically disconnecting the item.

To the OP, I received a 30GB ipod for my birthday in June and I have trouble with videos. I attempted to put them on but to no avail. Make certain the are in the proper format (quicktime, I believe).

I received 75 dollars worth of gift certificates, but I cannot create an account because my cc is fucked up

. One is on the way and I will have to wait.

Good luck.

Posted: 12/25/2006 10:32:03 PM EDT

[#12]

These are some of the nicest cases you can get, I love mine:
IFrogs Cases

As for the "Do no disconnect" message. It can depend on how the Ipod is set up but hit the eject icon in Itunes and the Ipod should revert to the normal screen... you can then disconnect it.

For movies, they need to be in MP4 or H.264 format. Some sites let you DL in MP4 and for DVD & such there are conversion utilities all over the place.

Check here: The Last iPod Video Guide You’ll Ever Need

Posted: 12/25/2006 10:38:51 PM EDT

[#13]

That's a lot of porn...

Posted: 12/26/2006 5:30:22 AM EDT

[#14]

Belt:

Your issue is in the format of your videos.

Do this:

1. www.google.com

2. Download a DVD ripper (if you're taking movies/episodes from DVD). These should be free and in good supply.

3. Download a program called Videora.

4. Utilize the DVD ripper program to take the video from your DVD's onto your computer. If the movies are already on your computer, simply drag the video file into your new Videora program.

5. Run Videora. This will convert your movies into a compatable form for use in your IPOD.

6. Videora will make a new folder for your newly converted videos. Now, simply open ITunes, drag your newly converted videos into ITunes. If compatable, they'll pop up in the video section of ITunes (left menu, videos)

7. Sync your IPOD.

8. Disconnect your IPOD.

9. Enjoy your movies.

Send me an email at [email protected] if you need help, I own the 30, 60 and 80GB IPOD videos and the above works well for me being a windows XP user.

Posted: 12/26/2006 5:36:45 AM EDT

[#15]

Dump the ipod and get a Zune.

I bought an ipod and hated that fucking thing. It's software is based on Apple's operating system, and if you a Windows user, you're going to have a real tough time figuring it out.

I bought the Zune (MicroSoft's version of the ipod, 30 Gb) and love it! Super easy to use, loading music is a snap!

Posted: 12/26/2006 5:55:46 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
if you a Windows user, you're going to have a real tough time figuring it out.

Yeah, dragging and dropping those songs where you want them to go is a real bitch.

Posted: 12/26/2006 5:59:09 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
Dump the ipod and get a Zune.

I bought an ipod and hated that fucking thing. It's software is based on Apple's operating system, and if you a Windows user, you're going to have a real tough time figuring it out.

I bought the Zune (MicroSoft's version of the ipod, 30 Gb) and love it! Super easy to use, loading music is a snap!

gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/08/zune.jpg

I agree with you on most of that

Id get a Creative Zen player over the Zune though.

Itunes adds an step of pain in the ass that could be avoided

Posted: 12/26/2006 5:59:58 AM EDT

[#18]

RETRO!!!!!!!!!

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:00:13 AM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:

Quoted:
if you a Windows user, you're going to have a real tough time figuring it out.

Yeah, dragging and dropping those songs where you want them to go is a real bitch.

It wouldn't be if the fucking ipod's apple program wouldn't selectively decide which songs, photos, and videos I could "drag and drop".

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:07:59 AM EDT

[#20]

IM me if you need detailed assistance. I jsut got one a month ago, and have since loaded over 15 videos on mine. Bottom line is they all need to be in .mp4, or you need to convert them to .mp4. There are a few free apps out there that do it all for you.

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:08:50 AM EDT

[#21]

Remember granny trying to figure out a VCR.
So when do we become the old farts that can't figure out gadgets

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:14:52 AM EDT

[#22]

I can get it functioning for you, but I need you to send it to me . . .

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:20:09 AM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
if you a Windows user, you're going to have a real tough time figuring it out.

Yeah, dragging and dropping those songs where you want them to go is a real bitch.

It wouldn't be if the fucking ipod's apple program wouldn't selectively decide which songs, photos, and videos I could "drag and drop".

You're doing something wrong. You sure you don't have your files protected or something?

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:22:49 AM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
if you a Windows user, you're going to have a real tough time figuring it out.

Yeah, dragging and dropping those songs where you want them to go is a real bitch.

It wouldn't be if the fucking ipod's apple program wouldn't selectively decide which songs, photos, and videos I could "drag and drop".

You're doing something wrong. You sure you don't have your files protected or something?

I couldn't tell you now. I got rid of it for the Zune. Once I got that it was a breeze to put the songs, videos, and pics on it. I'm sure you and Zakk_Wylde_470 are ipod enthusiasts and love it, but I'll stick to the Zune.

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:23:50 AM EDT

[#25]

Quoted:

Quoted:
if you a Windows user, you're going to have a real tough time figuring it out.

Yeah, dragging and dropping those songs where you want them to go is a real bitch.

It wouldn't be if the fucking ipod's apple program wouldn't selectively decide which songs, photos, and videos I could "drag and drop".

You're doing something wrong. You sure you don't have your files protected or something?

More likely they're in the wrong format. All songs/videos/pics/files that are in the right format will drag and drop.

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:24:16 AM EDT

[#26]

I'm glad you posted this thread before I did. Now I get to take advantage of the great
info here without feeling so dumb.

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:24:41 AM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
Where's the best place to buy skins/cases for these? I'd prefer to not use ebay as I'm boycotting paypal.

here you go:

www.speckproducts.com/

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:25:06 AM EDT

[#28]

Love my iPod, but I've never bothered with video (hell, I only got the video one after my earlier model was stolen).

Now that I have the capability, I'll see if I ever bother. I haven't even bothered doing my pics yet. To me it's a music player.

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:25:48 AM EDT

[#29]

I got my daughter the 80 GB version of it for Hanukkah. Since I have about 30,000 tracks ripped to my music server we sat down and picked out about 40 GB of music to put on it for her. That meant I needed to install iTunes on one of my computers.

For an experienced Windows user, iTunes is incredibly non-intuitive. Given that I can just drag and drop music onto my Dell or Creative music players, the iTunes interface seemed really klutzy to use. It took a lot longer to put music on the device than it should have.

Anyway, regarding putting movies on the iPod. I tried to get iTunes to recognize a couple of mpg files (movies, TV shows) so that I could put them on her iPod. No go. No error message, no resonse from the iTunes apps when I tried to drag and drop the files.

I rerendered the files as MP4 (Mpeg 4) and iTunes had no trouble with that format. This is clearly not a solution that will work for most people.

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:30:23 AM EDT

[#30]

Quoted:
For an experienced Windows user, iTunes is incredibly non-intuitive.

Windows is intuitive compared to iTunes?

Must be some strange new usage of the word "intuitive" I wasn't previously aware of.

I just had to go through my cousin's PC for a bit and I could not believe I used to have to slog through all that shit just to find the program I wanted, let alone run it.

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:31:05 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:
I got my daughter the 80 GB version of it for Hanukkah. Since I have about 30,000 tracks ripped to my music server we sat down and picked out about 40 GB of music to put on it for her. That meant I needed to install iTunes on one of my computers.

For an experienced Windows user, iTunes is incredibly non-intuitive. Given that I can just drag and drop music onto my Dell or Creative music players, the iTunes interface seemed really klutzy to use. It took a lot longer to put music on the device than it should have.

Anyway, regarding putting movies on the iPod. I tried to get iTunes to recognize a couple of mpg files (movies, TV shows) so that I could put them on her iPod. No go. No error message, no resonse from the iTunes apps when I tried to drag and drop the files.

I rerendered the files as MP4 (Mpeg 4) and iTunes had no trouble with that format. This is clearly not a solution that will work for most people.

Same problem I had makes it take unneeded steps to load things on it.

I saw return the Ipod and get something else

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:38:28 AM EDT

[#32]

Wow. How hard is it to drag and drop mp3 files onto the iTunes program?

<---lifelong (and very experienced) Windows user here. iTunes is incredibly simple.

Posted: 12/26/2006 6:51:23 AM EDT

[#33]

Quoted:
Wow. How hard is it to drag and drop mp3 files onto the iTunes program?

<---lifelong (and very experienced) Windows user here. iTunes is incredibly simple.

Very hard for some people, aparrantly.

Posted: 12/26/2006 10:27:46 AM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow. How hard is it to drag and drop mp3 files onto the iTunes program?

<---lifelong (and very experienced) Windows user here. iTunes is incredibly simple.

Very hard for some people, aparrantly.

Since all the other interfaces most people are familiar with let you just drag and drop files to the device, which iTunes does not, it would appear that you are the ones that don't get it.

Why shoud I have to create a playlist first? Why can't I manage content directly on the iPod from the software interface, placing the music I want on the iPod first.

Why does the iTunes interface not allow right-click context operations?

Why does the iTunes interface insist on performing operations such as gapless anaylsis in the foreground while you are trying to do other tasks?

Why are there no error messages if you attempt to move unsupported file formats using iTunes?

It took almost three hours to get 8000 files on my daughter's iPod. That's not simple drag and drop operation.

Perhaps if you've never made use of a player with a better software interface you would think what iTunes does is good. It's not. The hardware aspects of the iPod may be great; for my own personal needs they offer no benefit. But the iTunes software isn't very good. If it works for you, great; that doesn't change the reality of it. And since most iPod users are attracted to the hardware, it only matters for them when it doesn't work at all; otherwise they enjoy the kool-aid.

Posted: 12/26/2006 10:53:56 AM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:
Since all the other interfaces most people are familiar with let you just drag and drop files to the device, which iTunes does not, it would appear that you are the ones that don't get it.

iTunes is the interface for the iPod. However you can get software to allow you to just drag and drop onto the device, instead of dragging and dropping onto iTunes, then synching (or so I'm told). That being said, I just dragged and dropped 3 albums into iTunes. It added them all with no other actions on my part. Seems it works okay to me.

Why shoud I have to create a playlist first? Why can't I manage content directly on the iPod from the software interface, placing the music I want on the iPod first.

I didn't have to add a single playlist on my iPod. I had all my music organized by artist and album on my hard drive (before I bought an iPod), and just grabbed the "mp3" folder and dropped it onto my iTunes window. Pretty simple.

Why does the iTunes interface not allow right-click context operations?

Confused here. I right click on a song and get:

Get Info
Rating
Show in Windows Explorer
Reset Play Count
Reset Skip Count
Convert ID3 tags
Convert Selection to AAC
Play Next in Party Shuffle
Add to Party Shuffle
Uncheck Selection
Show in Playlist
Copy
Delete
Get Album Artwork

Why does the iTunes interface insist on performing operations such as gapless anaylsis in the foreground while you are trying to do other tasks?

You got me there. I have no idea, nor have I even seen this in iTunes.

Why are there no error messages if you attempt to move unsupported file formats using iTunes?

Another good one. But then again, I've never tried to put anything into iTunes except for mp3 files, and properly converted video files.

It took almost three hours to get 8000 files on my daughter's iPod. That's not simple drag and drop operation.

Again, all I had to do to add my 5000+ mp3 files to my iPod is:
1) Drag and drop into iTunes
2) Synch iPod with iTunes
I cant' recall exactly how long it took. Most of the waiting was for my iPod to synch. But it certainly didn't take almost 3 hours, or even 2.

Perhaps if you've never made use of a player with a better software interface you would think what iTunes does is good. It's not. The hardware aspects of the iPod may be great; for my own personal needs they offer no benefit. But the iTunes software isn't very good. If it works for you, great; that doesn't change the reality of it. And since most iPod users are attracted to the hardware, it only matters for them when it doesn't work at all; otherwise they enjoy the kool-aid.

No kool-aid here, and it's pretty ridiculous to imply that iTunes users drink it. I was a Winamp user previous to owning an iPod. I liked it okay. I installed iTunes when I bought my iPod. It works just as well. iTunes is a player/manager. Winamp was just a player for me. *shrug*

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:02:39 AM EDT

[#36]

I bought one of the 30gb video's for Allison, and its a total PITA to use (at least for me). I have a Creative 512mb and a RCA Lyra 4gb, and they are much easier to use and set up. I do not like having to go through iTunes, which seems to be an unnecessary step. For personal use, I can guarantee I won't buy another iPod!

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:05:10 AM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:
I bought one of the 30gb video's for Allison, and its a total PITA to use (at least for me). I have a Creative 512mb and a RCA Lyra 4gb, and they are much easier to use and set up. I do not like having to go through iTunes, which seems to be an unnecessary step. For personal use, I can guarantee I won't buy another iPod!

I tried out one, used it for about an hour getting stuff setup, it went back due the the hassle of loading it. Also others are cheaper

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:08:03 AM EDT

[#38]

Shit, for $200 I'd get a PSP... Friend's wife gave him one, they are pretty neat for the money.

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:15:42 AM EDT

[#39]

YAY! ITunes screwed up my computer! YAY!

I managed to convert some video clips into MPEG-4 format and transfer them onto my iPod, but not without a great deal of effort.

I have had other players that simply allow you to drop files onto the device (this includes my Ipaq PDA) and then use them. This iTunes business adds a stupid step to the process, and then requires that the files are in the proper format, rather than having software that recognizes a variety of filetypes. When I first installed iTunes, it searched my computer for media and then spent the next hour and a half converting the files for use on the iPod. Not necessary.

I know exactly why they do this, too. Without forcing you to use iTunes, they have no way of coaxing you to buy music and movies from them. All iTunes is is a focused advertizing opportunity for Apple, with iPod users as a captive audience. They make it necessary to use iTunes in order to use your iPod under the guise of being convenient. It is NOT convenient. It is an unnecessary step in a simple process.

So, anyhow, now when I open my video folder I get one of these guys:

This quits windows explorer and the whole desktop has to refresh for 10 seconds, and I can't access my videos. FUN!

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:17:06 AM EDT

[#40]

If you can't simply "click/highlight/drag and dump", I don't want it.

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:30:15 AM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow. How hard is it to drag and drop mp3 files onto the iTunes program?

<---lifelong (and very experienced) Windows user here. iTunes is incredibly simple.

Very hard for some people, aparrantly.

Since all the other interfaces most people are familiar with let you just drag and drop files to the device, which iTunes does not, It most certainly does it would appear that you are the ones that don't get it.

Why shoud I have to create a playlist first? You don't Why can't I manage content directly on the iPod from the software interface, placing the music I want on the iPod first. You can

Why does the iTunes interface not allow right-click context operations? ?

Why does the iTunes interface insist on performing operations such as gapless anaylsis in the foreground while you are trying to do other tasks? All you have to do is close that part with the little X in the display window at the top

Why are there no error messages if you attempt to move unsupported file formats using iTunes? Because 99% of people have a library already made up of mp3s or chose to buy the songs from the iTunes store

It took almost three hours to get 8000 files on my daughter's iPod. That's not simple drag and drop operation. You're fault, not the iPod's or iTunes

Perhaps if you've never made use of a player with a better software interface you would think what iTunes does is good. It's not. The hardware aspects of the iPod may be great; for my own personal needs they offer no benefit. But the iTunes software isn't very good. If it works for you, great; that doesn't change the reality of it. And since most iPod users are attracted to the hardware, it only matters for them when it doesn't work at all; otherwise they enjoy the kool-aid.

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:30:30 AM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:
Dump the ipod and get a Zune.

I bought an ipod and hated that fucking thing. It's software is based on Apple's operating system, and if you a Windows user, you're going to have a real tough time figuring it out.

I bought the Zune (MicroSoft's version of the ipod, 30 Gb) and love it! Super easy to use, loading music is a snap!

gizmodo.com/assets/resources/2006/08/zune.jpg

+87 on the Zune.

I've got one and I love it.

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:31:42 AM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:
YAY! ITunes screwed up my computer! YAY!

thats what its supposed to do

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:32:29 AM EDT

[#44]

You're welcome for the help.

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:38:46 AM EDT

[#45]

Sorry, but I've never had a problem. Not one.

I don't have playlists.

I right-click all the time.

Synching and other operations are done in the background while I do or listen to whatever I want.

Must be a Windows thing.

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:39:48 AM EDT

[#46]

Quoted:
Sorry, but I've never had a problem. Not one.

I don't have playlists.

I right-click all the time.

Synching and other operations are done in the background while I do or listen to whatever I want.

Must be a Windows thing.

Nope, my Windows notebook hasn't had one problem with iTunes, and I don't expect it to have any in the future.

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:51:40 AM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:
You're welcome for the help.

Actually, I figured it out myself before I read your post, but I do appreciate the help! It would have made things easier.

Posted: 12/26/2006 11:57:22 AM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow. How hard is it to drag and drop mp3 files onto the iTunes program?

<---lifelong (and very experienced) Windows user here. iTunes is incredibly simple.

Very hard for some people, aparrantly.

Since all the other interfaces most people are familiar with let you just drag and drop files to the device, which iTunes does not, It most certainly does it would appear that you are the ones that don't get it.

No. it let you drop the file sin iTunes, not onto the iPod; it's an unnecessary 2-step operation

Why shoud I have to create a playlist first? You don't Why can't I manage content directly on the iPod from the software interface, placing the music I want on the iPod first. You can

You can get music on the iPod without iTunes?

Why does the iTunes interface not allow right-click context operations? ?

Why does the iTunes interface insist on performing operations such as gapless anaylsis in the foreground while you are trying to do other tasks? All you have to do is close that part with the little X in the display window at the top

And it relaunches itself a few minutes later

Why are there no error messages if you attempt to move unsupported file formats using iTunes? Because 99% of people have a library already made up of mp3s or chose to buy the songs from the iTunes store

meaningless response, aside from the fact that it is simply untrue

It took almost three hours to get 8000 files on my daughter's iPod. That's not simple drag and drop operation. You're fault, not the iPod's or iTunes

No, it was iTunes issue; it took it almost an hour to scan the 30,000+ files available to it, a requirement since you cant just drop files on the device

Perhaps if you've never made use of a player with a better software interface you would think what iTunes does is good. It's not. The hardware aspects of the iPod may be great; for my own personal needs they offer no benefit. But the iTunes software isn't very good. If it works for you, great; that doesn't change the reality of it. And since most iPod users are attracted to the hardware, it only matters for them when it doesn't work at all; otherwise they enjoy the kool-aid.

Posted: 12/26/2006 12:02:21 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow. How hard is it to drag and drop mp3 files onto the iTunes program?

<---lifelong (and very experienced) Windows user here. iTunes is incredibly simple.

Very hard for some people, aparrantly.

Since all the other interfaces most people are familiar with let you just drag and drop files to the device, which iTunes does not, It most certainly does it would appear that you are the ones that don't get it.

No. it let you drop the file sin iTunes, not onto the iPod; it's an unnecessary 2-step operation

You can drop right onto your iPod in iTunes. I did it accidentally with a bunch of music I re-ripped this afternoon.

Why shoud I have to create a playlist first? You don't Why can't I manage content directly on the iPod from the software interface, placing the music I want on the iPod first. You can

You can get music on the iPod without iTunes?

No, but you don't need to create any playlists. Like I keep saying it's drag and drop to get music either onto iTunes or onto your iPod.

Why does the iTunes interface not allow right-click context operations? ?

Why does the iTunes interface insist on performing operations such as gapless anaylsis in the foreground while you are trying to do other tasks? All you have to do is close that part with the little X in the display window at the top

And it relaunches itself a few minutes later

Not on mine. Of course, it's not a big deal in the first place

Why are there no error messages if you attempt to move unsupported file formats using iTunes? Because 99% of people have a library already made up of mp3s or chose to buy the songs from the iTunes store

meaningless response, aside from the fact that it is simply untrue

This is the only place I ever hear about people having problems with putting the wrong format on their iPods

It took almost three hours to get 8000 files on my daughter's iPod. That's not simple drag and drop operation. You're fault, not the iPod's or iTunes

No, it was iTunes issue; it took it almost an hour to scan the 30,000+ files available to it, a requirement since you cant just drop files on the device

Again, yes you can

Perhaps if you've never made use of a player with a better software interface you would think what iTunes does is good. It's not. The hardware aspects of the iPod may be great; for my own personal needs they offer no benefit. But the iTunes software isn't very good. If it works for you, great; that doesn't change the reality of it. And since most iPod users are attracted to the hardware, it only matters for them when it doesn't work at all; otherwise they enjoy the kool-aid.

Posted: 12/26/2006 2:06:23 PM EDT

[#50]

Why does the iTunes interface not allow right-click context operations?

Because Mac mice have ONE GIANT BUTTON.

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