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Posted: 8/18/2004 2:07:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 2:48:18 PM EST by chapperjoe]
I'm interested in a platform for the 308 at the range......

Here's what I know about FAL's:
They hit hard, they hit long, and the mags are dirt cheap.
They use a tilting bolt, which looks like a great idea IMO!!!!
They are the most popular rifle on the planet with licensed manufacturing taking place pretty much everywhere except here (though the T48 concept was a FAL, right?).

But before I get into another platform, I have a few FAL questions:

Is it possible to get an FN FAL?
Is it possible to get a genuine L1A1 SLR?
Is the Austrian Steyr model easier to get for a reason?
Where do Imbel's rate?
and obviously, is DSA better than all of them or just decent?

And WTF is up with this metric vs. Inch bullshit?


Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:18:12 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:26:08 PM EST
so DSA would be top-o-the-line?
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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:32:00 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 2:33:04 PM EST by Evil_Ed]
Imbel is FN-licensed (or was...can't remember if that went away or not). Basically, an Imbel receiver is as close as one will come to a real FN receiver, barring DSA (which bought the tooling for FN receivers, if I recall correctly.)

DSA makes great rifles.

You can find pre-ban kit guns (I have a pre-ban Entreprise Arms L1A1; L1A1 parts kit (57 dated barrel and gas block, 58 dated lower) on an Entreprise Arms inch receiver), as well as pre-ban FN FAL's. (I also have an FN 50.41) They're out there, but they WILL cost you more than a new DSA-made one. If you really want a FAL but don't want to pay pre-ban prices, wait until September and order one from DSA. It'll be about as original and correct as you can get.

Steyr SA58's seem plentiful because a ton of kits came in within the last 5 or so years. Rumor has it a ton of Aussie L1A1 kits will be hitting the shores soon...too bad there's no really good US made inch reciever to mate them up with!

The main differences between metric and inch are magazines, pistol grips, safetys, cocking handles...there's probably more, but that's all that springs to mind at the moment. Inch guns were measured ..well, using the Imperial (inches, feet, etc) system, whereas metric guns were done using the metric system. Most of the important parts will interchange, and most of the rest will interchange given some fitting work.

Edited to add: On the falfiles site, click on the "forums" link at the top of the page.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:38:05 PM EST
DSA is excellent, as are rifles built by Arizona Response Systems. (I have an Arizona Response Systems...built on a DSA reciever.)
www.arizonaresponsesystems.com

I have also heard good things about Azex Arms, but have never held one of their rifles.


If I were you...I would either buy one from DSA, or have one built by ARS, or AZEX on a DSA, or IMBEL reciever.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:43:17 PM EST
for the money, what's the favorite 308 here... a FAL clone, G3 clone, AR 308????
We're talkin' 4-800 here.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:45:58 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:54:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 2:55:20 PM EST by SteyrAUG]
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 2:58:23 PM EST
Stoner SR-25

Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:00:58 PM EST
sr-25 riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. After my barrett
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:02:30 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:02:39 PM EST
Sub $800.00

Kinda' limits your choices. A lot.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:07:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 3:08:44 PM EST by MT_Pockets]
I like most of them...but I had a DSA SA58-STD go through this week and for a basic battle rifle it is sweet. Not a messy toss together. Very nice purpose built piece of equipment.

The DSA Manual has FN on it.

MT
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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:19:55 PM EST
PTR-91
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:29:16 PM EST

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
for the money, what's the favorite 308 here... a FAL clone, G3 clone, AR 308????
We're talkin' 4-800 here.



I am sure you can find someone to order you a DSA for cost plus and that would put you in the $800.00 range. You can keep your eyes open and get a used one for less.

The Century guns (if they run right) would be in the $500.00 range.

The difference between the two would be finish and resale value. They would be about the same difference between an Armalite/Bushmaster/Colt and that of a Olympic plinker.

One of the fine rifles from ARS would be a nice choice also but they will be $800-$1000 even used.

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:36:06 PM EST
PTR-91 and SAR 8 are G3 clones right??

These seem to be at the 7-800 dollar level .

Are they made on G3 tooling?
Are they made on imported receivers?
Are they legal in NJ?
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:36:19 PM EST
Another vote for DSA STG-58s. About 2k through it and not a failure of any kind.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:49:32 PM EST
Just to throw a wrench in here.... how about the Savage 10FPLE1 Tactical..........
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:51:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:53:41 PM EST
It's cheap, accurate, tactical (it's black!!!).
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:56:25 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 3:59:39 PM EST
For the budget minded individual and CAMPY, you can get 2 CIA CETMEs and have money left over for ammo and spare magazines.

MT
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:00:31 PM EST
Do I sound like a post whore to you, or someone who wants a 308 but is clueless as to the platform.

I want a G**amned 308. I have about 800 to spend. Help a guy out.

The reason I brought up a bolt, is that this guy has a savage fp10Le1 for 450 on the EE.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:01:38 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:08:12 PM EST
Find you a good ploy m14 and never look back they kick ass for the money and can be had for around 600.00 to 750.00 buck and mags are out there for 15.00 also. take care Fred
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:10:13 PM EST

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Originally Posted By BigDozer66:


I am sure you can find someone to order you a DSA for cost plus and that would put you in the $800.00 range. You can keep your eyes open and get a used one for less.
BigDozer66
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A DSA FAL with s/h at DEALER COST is more than $800.00.

I'd think you'd know that.




Only by $15.00

MT
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:13:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
for the money, what's the favorite 308 here... a FAL clone, G3 clone, AR 308????
We're talkin' 4-800 here.




LOL. I think you better stick with ARs. The only .308s in that price range are garbage. Most quality .308s are about $1,000+.

Campy will try and tell you CAI clones are just as good as DSA but my experience and that of my gunsmith says otherwise.




The DSA STG-58 can be had for ~$800 brand new and is NOT garbage.

Mine shoots 2 MOA all day long and the fit and finish is top notch.

My buddy's $1500 SA-58 isn't really any nicer.

Shop around. But stick with DSA.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:15:50 PM EST
Find you a good ploy m14 and never look back they kick ass for the money and can be had for around 600.00 to 750.00 buck and mags are out there for 15.00 also. take care Fred
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:20:10 PM EST
I have a AR10t carbine. I love the thing.


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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:27:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By shotar:
Greek Rack grade garand from CMP. $295. Trip to fulton armory for rebarrel to .308 $299, With shipping right around $650. The sound of Chiiiiiing when the last round is fired, Priceless.



that is so beautiful....
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:32:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By bonehead-fred:
Find you a good ploy m14 and never look back they kick ass for the money and can be had for around 600.00 to 750.00 buck and mags are out there for 15.00 also. take care Fred



Don't bother.

Get the DSA STG-58. It's turnkey, at the price you want, and DSA WILL make it right if it's fucked up (but it won't be).
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 4:33:25 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 4:34:11 PM EST by SteyrAUG]
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 6:30:53 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 6:32:05 PM EST by MT_Pockets]
Wasn't trying to step on your toes ..But DSA offers the STG58 for not much more than his budget...I was just giving him an option of saving up a few more greens and getting a high quality yet less expensive rifle.

Note: the STG58A does not have a new chrome-moly barrel.

MT


your shipping is high
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 6:32:31 PM EST

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
for the money, what's the favorite 308 here... a FAL clone, G3 clone, AR 308????
We're talkin' 4-800 here.



LOL. I think you better stick with ARs. The only .308s in that price range are garbage. Most quality .308s are about $1,000+.

Campy will try and tell you CAI clones are just as good as DSA but my experience and that of my gunsmith says otherwise.



Maybe I just got lucky, but I really, really like
my CAI CETME. Fit and finish are great.

Link Posted: 8/18/2004 6:37:22 PM EST
I'd say M1A is at the top of the list, but you put a limit of $800.... so I'll have to say FAL


I've got both, the M1A outperforms the FAL, period!


get the M1A if you can!
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 6:39:45 PM EST
Love my cheap ass CETME for plinkin


- BUCC_Guy
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 6:44:52 PM EST
DSA FN/FAL
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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 7:05:07 PM EST
DSA FAL also.
Wait a little and spend the extra cash or borrow the difference. It would be well worth it.

You might get an SAR-8 for a little over a grand.
Same for the M1A which you'd also like.
Both are excellent and not too far out of reach.

Cetme--definitely a bottom end rifle. Mine is nice for the price and shoots well but you'll be shooting another .308 next year and it will sit in a safe. They're just not that nice.

You might try www.ohiorapidfire.com for other G3 clones. They are supposed to make a nice clone. Price is better than a HK-91 for damn sure.

I got a NIB M1A preban for $1300. All mil parts except rec and preban. Really nice.

You might want to consider a used rifle or at least previously owned.

Think hard about the DSA FAL though....

Link Posted: 8/18/2004 7:10:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 8:12:51 PM EST by M4-CQBR]
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Link Posted: 8/18/2004 8:31:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 8:32:33 PM EST by magnum_99]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By MT_Pockets:
Wasn't trying to step on your toes ..But DSA offers the STG58 for not much more than his budget...I was just giving him an option of saving up a few more greens and getting a high quality yet less expensive rifle.

Note: the STG58A does not have a new chrome-moly barrel.

MT


your shipping is high



I don't live next door to DSA.

My point was the Stg58 retails for $995. Most dealers will not give you one for the FFL price.



Find a friendly FFL. DSA will let you pay them directly with the FFL's permission. Cost of STG-58 is $700. Then, just pay the transfer fee.

Or, go here:
www.gunsnstuff.net/FAC/006.asp

Link Posted: 8/18/2004 9:52:22 PM EST
I just traded a bushy 20" for a perfect FAL refinished by rich saunders at CGW and the thing kicks ass. Just incase you didnt know if you want to add a scope all you have to do is swap out the dust cover for one with a rail on top. Best deal i ever did. Stay away from centruy just to be safe.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 9:55:51 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 12:40:25 AM EST
In that guns n stuff link, is there any problem with that DSA for 800 bucks?????

my FFL has no problem transferring me stuff like that.
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