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Posted: 6/19/2014 9:27:32 AM EDT
I am just starting to fill out a trust. First time I am thinking of getting an sbr, would like one in a caliber I already have and settled on 308. I have an FAL, but open to other ideas. Looking for suggestions or experience from anyone who has owned one.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:35:13 AM EDT
Never owned one, but damn that's got to be loud. Tag for responses.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:36:37 AM EDT
Yes, I expect so...stamp #2 will have be a suppressor

Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:37:09 AM EDT
My vote: PWS MK212. I have a MK214 and at some point will get a MK212.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:38:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:
Never owned one, but damn that's got to be loud. Tag for responses.
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Really not that bad. At least, 12.5" isn't.

Don't care to own one of those pistol PTR-91's with a 9" or so barrel though.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:38:31 AM EDT
Why bother with a .308 SBR if you plan on suppressing it? Why not go .300 BLK instead?

I don't own either, it just seems to me like a bit of a strange purchase.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:39:42 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By J-Pat:
Why bother with a .308 SBR if you plan on suppressing it? Why not go .300 BLK instead?

I don't own either, it just seems to me like a bit of a strange purchase.
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You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:40:40 AM EDT
I had an FAL OSW, man THAT was a blaster !
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:41:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Psyber:

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.
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Originally Posted By Psyber:
Originally Posted By J-Pat:
Why bother with a .308 SBR if you plan on suppressing it? Why not go .300 BLK instead?

I don't own either, it just seems to me like a bit of a strange purchase.

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.



Lol. And take advantage of that 51mm case instead of that 35mm case...
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:41:30 AM EDT
I'm going to go with get a 300 over a 308 sbr

I guess handloading you could use a powder that will burn fully in such a short barreled 308 but basically you are using all that extra weight and case capacity to make a big fireball.

300 is designed to get full burn in short barrels.

Of course I'm no expert and likely entirely wrong.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:41:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Psyber:

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.
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Originally Posted By Psyber:
Originally Posted By J-Pat:
Why bother with a .308 SBR if you plan on suppressing it? Why not go .300 BLK instead?

I don't own either, it just seems to me like a bit of a strange purchase.

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.


Um, handload?

300BLK is not a cartridge for people who don't have an SBR lower, a .30 suppressor, and a reloading press.

If you do have all those things, then it's foolish to not get an 8" upper because the cartridge really is a lot of fun.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:42:37 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Obo2:
I'm going to go with get a 300 over a 308 sbr

I guess handloading you could use a powder that will burn fully in such a short barreled 308 but basically you are using all that extra weight and case capacity to make a big fireball.

300 is designed to get full burn in short barrels.

Of course I'm no expert and likely entirely wrong.
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You are entirely right.

300 BLK all the way.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:42:42 AM EDT
Do it....... 12.5 inch .308 AR......... Thatd be tits.

Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:43:07 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By J-Pat:
Why bother with a .308 SBR if you plan on suppressing it? Why not go .300 BLK instead?

I don't own either, it just seems to me like a bit of a strange purchase.
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Exactly.

I have a 308 AR. From my reading, it takes a little bit of tweaking to get it to cycle right when you go that short. It would likely cause the .308 to become a dedicated SBR rather than being able to switch barrel lengths.

Considering the loss of velocity, It seems to make a lot more sense to put together a 300BLK upper for an AR than doing a .308 SBR. I am considering doing that very thing with one of my ARs.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:44:21 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:


Um, handload?

300BLK is not a cartridge for people who don't have an SBR lower, a .30 suppressor, and a reloading press.

If you do have all those things, then it's foolish to not get an 8" upper because the cartridge really is a lot of fun.
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Originally Posted By Psyber:
Originally Posted By J-Pat:
Why bother with a .308 SBR if you plan on suppressing it? Why not go .300 BLK instead?

I don't own either, it just seems to me like a bit of a strange purchase.

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.


Um, handload?

300BLK is not a cartridge for people who don't have an SBR lower, a .30 suppressor, and a reloading press.

If you do have all those things, then it's foolish to not get an 8" upper because the cartridge really is a lot of fun.

Bro everyone can SBR a lower now. Sig arm brace and a "pistol" lower.

Ammo is an issue if you don't reload. But its not like factory 308 is cheap.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:44:32 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Obo2:
I'm going to go with get a 300 over a 308 sbr

I guess handloading you could use a powder that will burn fully in such a short barreled 308 but basically you are using all that extra weight and case capacity to make a big fireball.

300 is designed to get full burn in short barrels.

Of course I'm no expert and likely entirely wrong.
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You're avatar just gave me a seizure.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:44:32 AM EDT
If they make a 7.5" pistol length .308 barrel, get that one and put a muzzle brake on it. They might even ban you from the range.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:47:28 AM EDT
I have 308 already, and reload.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:49:29 AM EDT
SBR'ing a 5.56 AR lower still makes more sense IMHO. You could do a 5.56 upper, .300BLK upper, get a magblock and do a 9mm upper....

Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:54:03 AM EDT
I once shot a POF 308 10'' barreled SBR with a compensator at an ARFCOM industry gathering at an indoor range once. It was very pleasant to shoot, but was extremely unpleasant to be around when others were shooting it.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:56:39 AM EDT
My copy of the Noveske Leonidas... With the brake and no suppressor, it will rattle your fillings...It is, however, an assload of fun to shoot...


Link Posted: 6/19/2014 9:57:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/19/2014 9:59:25 AM EDT by Smurf10161]
Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
SBR'ing a 5.56 AR lower still makes more sense IMHO. You could do a 5.56 upper, .300BLK upper, get a magblock and do a 9mm upper....

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That actually sounds pretty awesome...sorry I kept thinking 300bk required an 30cal lower, figured it was simpler to stick with what I have
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:09:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:09:26 AM EDT
300 Blackout




I was thinking about doing a compact .308 next. Either 16" or SBR. .308 is a man's round.

Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:10:47 AM EDT
Not mine but pretty much the same setup I have. Just waiting on the form 1 to come back to do a chop to 13.

Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:13:18 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Psyber:

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.
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Originally Posted By Psyber:
Originally Posted By J-Pat:
Why bother with a .308 SBR if you plan on suppressing it? Why not go .300 BLK instead?

I don't own either, it just seems to me like a bit of a strange purchase.

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.


Yeah, because a guy preparing to drop $400 on tax stamps, $1000 on a suppressor and $??? on a .308 caliber rifle has got to watch his pennies, yo.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:16:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By FrankDrebin:
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WHAT?
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:19:07 AM EDT
All these responses and 4 pictures? and no I don't have one
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:24:52 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Psyber:

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.
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Originally Posted By Psyber:
Originally Posted By J-Pat:
Why bother with a .308 SBR if you plan on suppressing it? Why not go .300 BLK instead?

I don't own either, it just seems to me like a bit of a strange purchase.

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.


That's why all the smart kids reload. We get to shoot both for about the same price.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:28:28 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By HardShell:



I tend to watch my pennies, FWIW, and try to stick to a core group of common and proven calibers/chamberings (all of which I keep plenty on hand) for all of my guns.


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Originally Posted By HardShell:
Originally Posted By recoiljunky:
Originally Posted By Psyber:
Originally Posted By J-Pat:
Why bother with a .308 SBR if you plan on suppressing it? Why not go .300 BLK instead?

I don't own either, it just seems to me like a bit of a strange purchase.

You might be able to afford to shoot your .308 is why.


Yeah, because a guy preparing to drop $400 on tax stamps, $1000 on a suppressor and $??? on a .308 caliber rifle has got to watch his pennies, yo.



I tend to watch my pennies, FWIW, and try to stick to a core group of common and proven calibers/chamberings (all of which I keep plenty on hand) for all of my guns.




Watching pennies and NFA are mutually exclusive terms in my book, but I get what you're saying about the common cartridges. I'd switch hobbies to bream fishing before I let cartridge price steer me from 300BLK to .308WIN in this scenario.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:28:50 AM EDT
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All these responses and 4 pictures? and no I don't have one
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Hey, I did my part...
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:33:00 AM EDT
Only Old surplus for this

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Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:43:18 AM EDT
Loud is an understatement. But fun It has a Noveske KX3 on it now.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:43:51 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 10:48:50 AM EDT
tag
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very curious what kind of velocities you see out of that thing it may function more as a flame thrower than a pistol
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 11:26:26 AM EDT
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My thread about .308 pistols.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/644515_Ar308_pistol_builds_.html

ETA: screwed up the link on my phone.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 11:29:52 AM EDT
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My thread about .308 pistols.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/644515_Ar308_pistol_builds_.html
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web page not available
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 11:32:39 AM EDT
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That thing is a monstrosity of a gun. What's the range report on it?


Link Posted: 6/19/2014 11:37:13 AM EDT
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Said that for me too.
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Originally Posted By shrikefan:
Originally Posted By NWRed:
My thread about .308 pistols.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_122/644515_Ar308_pistol_builds_.html


web page not available

Said that for me too.



This one
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 11:39:04 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SaturationTech:
My copy of the Noveske Leonidas... With the brake and no suppressor, it will rattle your fillings...It is, however, an assload of fun to shoot...

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I want that.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 12:29:11 PM EDT
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That actually sounds pretty awesome...sorry I kept thinking 300bk required an 30cal lower, figured it was simpler to stick with what I have
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Originally Posted By DeltaElite777:
SBR'ing a 5.56 AR lower still makes more sense IMHO. You could do a 5.56 upper, .300BLK upper, get a magblock and do a 9mm upper....



That actually sounds pretty awesome...sorry I kept thinking 300bk required an 30cal lower, figured it was simpler to stick with what I have


Link Posted: 6/19/2014 12:30:36 PM EDT
I remember a guy at the hun farm had one. HK with full auto trigger pack.

That thing shot a fireball longer than the overall length of the gun, I think.

Great fun.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 12:54:36 PM EDT
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I've never enjoyed fishing much.

300BLK was still relatively new/untested when I made the decision to SBR my AP4 and I don't reload, so 300BLK wasn't very appealing to me.

I am now considering it, in spite of it being outside of my "canonical" cartridges (a pretty big deal for me, if you happen to remember my years-long and angst-ridden effort to streamline my extensive collection to a managaeble and stockpile-friendly list of chamberings ), and am about to get my first 300BLK upper (I have several standard SBR'd AR lowers). I find it a bit more appealing now because (1) it has been tested more and done well, (2) more factory ammo is out there for it now, (3) I plan to take up reloading when the kids are a little older and I retire, both getting closer every day, and (4) besides my SD6, I can use my Octane 45HD with the subsonic loads.

I may eventually embrace 300BLK fully, but I don't think I'll ever regret SBRing the .308. Time will tell...



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I got as far as buying a 9" 300BLK barrel before I realized I should probably just get a cane pole and a basket of crickets.

I've got a suppressed 5.56 AR15 SBR that I don't get out and shoot much, and I really can't justify a 7.62 can right now.
Link Posted: 6/19/2014 1:00:49 PM EDT
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