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Posted: 9/20/2009 2:54:33 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 7:32:48 AM EST by agillig]
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime/elderly-victim-shoots-would-be-robber-24-police-say-307806.html


DAYTON — A 24-year-old man who allegedly got out of his car and tried to rob an elderly man at gunpoint was shot by the would-be victim, who was licensed to carry a concealed weapon and fired to defend himself, police said.

The younger man was shot twice on Saturday, Sept. 19, and was taken to Miami Valley Hospital, where he was under guard, Dayton police Sgt. Damon Castor said. The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening, Castor said.

“Apparently he was trying to rob the older gentleman of something,” Castor said of the younger man. “He picked on the wrong person.”

The would-be victim, in his 70s, was not injured, Castor said. The confrontation took place at West Third Street and Brooklyn Avenue in west Dayton, police said.

It was not clear whether the alleged attacker was trying to steal the older man’s car or money, Castor said.

No charges had been filed Saturday. Police are investigating.




UPDATE- Apparently the victim shot the suspect at least 3 times, landing hits to the suspect's chest. He used a .40 Beretta.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 2:56:23 AM EST
Originally Posted By agillig:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/crime/elderly-victim-shoots-would-be-robber-24-police-say-307806.html


DAYTON — A 24-year-old man who allegedly got out of his car and tried to rob an elderly man at gunpoint was shot by the would-be victim, who was licensed to carry a concealed weapon and fired to defend himself, police said.

The younger man was shot twice on Saturday, Sept. 19, and was taken to Miami Valley Hospital, where he was under guard, Dayton police Sgt. Damon Castor said. The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening, Castor said.

“Apparently he was trying to rob the older gentleman of something,” Castor said of the younger man. “He picked on the wrong person.”

The would-be victim, in his 70s, was not injured, Castor said. The confrontation took place at West Third Street and Brooklyn Avenue in west Dayton, police said.

It was not clear whether the alleged attacker was trying to steal the older man’s car or money, Castor said.

No charges had been filed Saturday. Police are investigating.



Good shoot IMO.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:10:17 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 3:10:47 AM EST by Thom101]
Originally Posted By DesuDurDesu:

Good shoot IMO.


I disagree

The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:20:19 AM EST
BOOOOOOOOOOOO ! The dirtbag lived
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:21:25 AM EST
"allegedly" my ass.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:24:05 AM EST
Damned good shoot.

Lets hope AK's and AR's are not the new trend for these shitbag's weapons of choice.


We really need to much tougher on criminals theses days.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:25:38 AM EST
Originally Posted By Thom101:
Originally Posted By DesuDurDesu:

Good shoot IMO.


I disagree

The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening


He took on someone with a carbine and won. He got off two shots that disabled the attacker. BG went down without firing a shot.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:25:48 AM EST
Were you goofing on the media's tendency to call anything from a Lorcin to a Barrett an "AK," or was one actually used in the robbery?
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:28:02 AM EST
Originally Posted By wganz:
Originally Posted By Thom101:
Originally Posted By DesuDurDesu:

Good shoot IMO.


I disagree

The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening


He took on someone with a carbine and won. He got off two shots that disabled the attacker. BG went down without firing a shot.


True, but it would have been much better if the jackass didnt live...
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:31:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By TheGrayMan:
Were you goofing on the media's tendency to call anything from a Lorcin to a Barrett an "AK," or was one actually used in the robbery?


The media doesn't make mention of it, but the suspect did use an AK.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:36:31 AM EST
Originally Posted By Thom101:
Originally Posted By DesuDurDesu:

Good shoot IMO.


I disagree

The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening


Shoulda killed him
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:38:04 AM EST

Originally Posted By Storm6436:
Originally Posted By Thom101:
Originally Posted By DesuDurDesu:

Good shoot IMO.


I disagree

The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening


Shoulda killed him


Its that kind of behavior that turns a good shoot into prison time.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:38:55 AM EST
Originally Posted By Thom101:
Originally Posted By DesuDurDesu:

Good shoot IMO.


I disagree

The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening


The criminal lived, still the victim lived protecting his life, and property.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:47:47 AM EST
Originally Posted By Thom101:
Originally Posted By DesuDurDesu:

Good shoot IMO.


I disagree

The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening


Link Posted: 9/20/2009 4:02:03 AM EST

Its that kind of behavior that turns a good shoot into prison time.


How so ?

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Link Posted: 9/20/2009 4:03:46 AM EST
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:09:51 AM EST
All comes down to what Wyatt Earp called "determination". Speed does not win gunfights, but determination does. Robber was using the AK more as a prop to get what he wanted. Would be victim used his pistol to protect his life. More motivation and more determination. When the victim did not act as expected, the robber had no quick answer for the situation he found himself in.

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:11:56 AM EST
Mr Pulaski FTMFW!!!! Go Gramps!
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:14:52 AM EST
Good Shoot.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:16:11 AM EST
That's the trouble with the paramedics. They take these dirtbags to the hospital to be saved. He should have been left there to bleed out.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:19:17 AM EST
Originally Posted By 4v50:
That's the trouble with the paramedics. They take these dirtbags to the hospital to be saved. He should have been left there to bleed out.


I agree, they should have taken much time and care to make sure the older gentleman was OK and checked all his vitals several times.

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:19:32 AM EST


I can't believe it took this long.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:20:06 AM EST



beat me to it
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:24:48 AM EST
Agillig, you are an LEO, right?


What kind of handgun did the defender use?
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:31:15 AM EST
How, exactly, do we know it was an AK?
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:33:17 AM EST
Wow, that takes some balls to take on a person with a semi-auto rifle with a handgun. Good shoot.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:35:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 6:36:40 AM EST by jbombelli]
When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk.

It looks like one of those two people was prepared to use his firearm, and the other one wasn't.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:36:01 AM EST
A solid piece of work!
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:50:19 AM EST
I love hearing of older folks able to defend them selves from the thugs out there.

My mom is in her mid 70s, is in great health and physical condition (never guess she was in her 70s)About 10 years ago she stopped a guy from snatching her purse by pulling back on the purse and punching him in the face with her keys between her fingers. I have tried to get her to get her CCH but have had no luck so far. She is more worried about some one coming in the house on her. Took her out and taught her to load and shoot my SLR106FR and she really took to it. Left it with her with six 30 rnd mags full of 75Gr TAP. If they can get past the reinforced door and frame and dead bolt, they got a world of shit waiting for them on the other side.

AK-So easy, even a caveman Old Lady can use it!
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:05:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By DLoken:
Wow, that takes some balls to take on a person with a semi-auto rifle with a handgun. Good shoot.


"You are only 'outgunned' if you miss." Jeff Cooper

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:12:05 AM EST


This link just says it was an "assault rifle"

http://www.whiotv.com/news/21012459/detail.html
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:17:15 AM EST
i hope he blew his balls off so that POS will never breed
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:20:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
Damned good shoot.

Lets hope AK's and AR's are not the new trend for these shitbag's weapons of choice.


We really need to much tougher on criminals theses days.

(Cue media weapons recognition chart)

Probably a mini-14 or an SKS...

Wood stock + not a bolt action = AK to most reporters....
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:20:56 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 7:21:20 AM EST by Dave_A]
....
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:23:03 AM EST
Old man probably used a .45
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:34:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By 4v50:
That's the trouble with the paramedics. They take these dirtbags to the hospital to be saved. He should have been left there to bleed out.


He was picked up by his brother who "just happened to be 1 block over".
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:36:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Agillig, you are an LEO, right?


What kind of handgun did the defender use?


.40SW Beretta. Scored some pretty good hits too. I guess you could say this proves how anemic the .40 is, but I think it just proves that "stopping power" is a myth, especially in handguns.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:37:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 7:44:01 AM EST by agillig]

Originally Posted By rcsoar4fun:


This link just says it was an "assault rifle"

http://www.whiotv.com/news/21012459/detail.html



Do I seriously have to draw you guys a picture?

Ok, I'll cut the sarcasm. I KNOW for a fact it was an AK, I know where the guy got shot, and I know what gun the victim used. I'm not the old man in the story, or the guy who got shot.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:38:00 AM EST
Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By 4v50:
That's the trouble with the paramedics. They take these dirtbags to the hospital to be saved. He should have been left there to bleed out.


He was picked up by his brother who "just happened to be 1 block over".
What a lucky coincidence, huh?



Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:40:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Agillig, you are an LEO, right?


What kind of handgun did the defender use?


.40SW Beretta. Scored some pretty good hits too. I guess you could say this proves how anemic the .40 is, but I think it just proves that "stopping power" is a myth, especially in handguns.

Yep...

In situations not involving a shot-timer & steel plates, you cannot count on a supposed '1 hit wonder' round...

Nor can you expect to make the perfect shot placement on the first shot...

More holes is better...


Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:43:24 AM EST
This link just says it was an "assault rifle"

Probably used an SKS with one of those crappy 30-round mags.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:48:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By rcsoar4fun:


This link just says it was an "assault rifle"

http://www.whiotv.com/news/21012459/detail.html



Do I seriously have to draw you guys a picture?

Ok, I'll cut the sarcasm. I KNOW for a fact it was an AK, I know where the guy got shot, and I know what gun the victim used. I'm not the old man in the story, or the guy who got shot.


Yeah, I pretty much had that figured out pretty quick. Correct me if I am wrong, but seeing as you seem to have first hand knowledge of this event and are neither the shooter nor the shootie, I will go with responding officer for 100 Alex.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:53:31 AM EST


...like cordwood.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:54:43 AM EST
Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By rcsoar4fun:


This link just says it was an "assault rifle"

http://www.whiotv.com/news/21012459/detail.html



Do I seriously have to draw you guys a picture?

Ok, I'll cut the sarcasm. I KNOW for a fact it was an AK, I know where the guy got shot, and I know what gun the victim used. I'm not the old man in the story, or the guy who got shot.


Hopefully your boot print is on the thugs throat too

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:55:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By Thom101:
Originally Posted By DesuDurDesu:

Good shoot IMO.


I disagree

The gunshot injuries were not believed to be life-threatening

This. The victim needed more training.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:56:39 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 7:57:27 AM EST by doggscube]
Originally Posted By OhioEd:

Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By rcsoar4fun:


This link just says it was an "assault rifle"

http://www.whiotv.com/news/21012459/detail.html



Do I seriously have to draw you guys a picture?

Ok, I'll cut the sarcasm. I KNOW for a fact it was an AK, I know where the guy got shot, and I know what gun the victim used. I'm not the old man in the story, or the guy who got shot.


Yeah, I pretty much had that figured out pretty quick. Correct me if I am wrong, but seeing as you seem to have first hand knowledge of this event and are neither the shooter nor the shootie, I will go with responding officer for 100 Alex.


At least in the dept., and probably on duty at the time.

The DDN would definitely say it was an AK was involved if this wasn't a self-defense incident with a CCW holder being the victim. I don't normally get into "omg the media are liberal" but that's just absurd.

Under Ohio's castle doctrine, the victim should be immune from criminal or civil proceedings.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:57:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Agillig, you are an LEO, right?


What kind of handgun did the defender use?


.40SW Beretta. Scored some pretty good hits too. I guess you could say this proves how anemic the .40 is, but I think it just proves that "stopping power" is a myth, especially in handguns.


Depends on whether the older gentleman was using something like WWB or something in the HST class.

(same would apply for anything from 9 to 45)
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 10:31:58 AM EST
Originally Posted By agillig:

Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Agillig, you are an LEO, right?


What kind of handgun did the defender use?


.40SW Beretta. Scored some pretty good hits too. I guess you could say this proves how anemic the .40 is, but I think it just proves that "stopping power" is a myth, especially in handguns.


I have to respectfully disagree due to the terms being used. The BG was 'stopped' from causing harm/injury/death to the older gentlemen. The handgun bullet was not 'lethal' enough to cause the demise of the goblin.

The splitting of semantic hairs here.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 10:38:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 10:38:59 AM EST by metalsaber]
Keep shooting until the threat stops. Reload and repeat as necessary.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 10:59:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By DLoken:
Wow, that takes some balls to take on a person with a semi-auto rifle with a handgun. Good shoot.

The older you get, the more you may understand.......


Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:02:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By osprey21:

Originally Posted By DLoken:
Wow, that takes some balls to take on a person with a semi-auto rifle with a handgun. Good shoot.

The older you get, the more you may understand.......




Yep. Some old folks know that there are worse things to lose than your life, like dignity. I really don't think the thug in this case even considered the possibility that the old man would resist. The look on his face would have been priceless.
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