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Posted: 4/30/2015 7:12:42 PM EDT
Found this to be quite interesting if accurate,  according to the numbers the US has 20 aircraft carriers, with an impressive naval force to compliment them, why is it that others major super powers do not?

What good is a military if you can't move it off your continent  and why don't countries such as Russia and China put more emphases in this department? On paper the US would own the seas in the event of a major war.

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This.

Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:21:18 PM EDT
Wow, China has over a billion more people than the U.S.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:22:01 PM EDT
20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:23:10 PM EDT
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there are no other super powers.
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:
20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types.
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They are.

They're lumping in the escorts with the supercarriers
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they almost certainly are. Have you seen what the rest of the world counts as an "aircraft carrier"?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:26:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Found this to be quite interesting if accurate,  according to the numbers the US has 20 aircraft carriers, with an impressive naval force to compliment them, why is it that others major super powers do not?

What good is a military if you can't move it off your continent  and why don't countries such as Russia and China put more emphases in this department? On paper the US would own the seas in the event of a major war.

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The US already owns the seas.  We have since 1945, not that we meant to.  

Why doesn't Russia put more emphasis on sea power?  Ever looked at Russia's geogrpahy?  It blows.  They have almost no access to the seas.
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The US already owns the seas.  We have since 1945, not that we meant to.  

Why doesn't Russia put more emphasis on sea power?  Ever looked at Russia's geogrpahy?  It blows.  They have almost no access to the seas.
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Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Found this to be quite interesting if accurate,  according to the numbers the US has 20 aircraft carriers, with an impressive naval force to compliment them, why is it that others major super powers do not?

What good is a military if you can't move it off your continent  and why don't countries such as Russia and China put more emphases in this department? On paper the US would own the seas in the event of a major war.

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The US already owns the seas.  We have since 1945, not that we meant to.  

Why doesn't Russia put more emphasis on sea power?  Ever looked at Russia's geogrpahy?  It blows.  They have almost no access to the seas.


And the few ports they do own in the Black Sea are practically worthless since the Bosporus is controlled by Turkey, our "ally".
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they almost certainly are. Have you seen what the rest of the world counts as an "aircraft carrier"?
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Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:
Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:
20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types.

they almost certainly are. Have you seen what the rest of the world counts as an "aircraft carrier"?

Ha. Yeah I have a pretty good idea.....I also don't consider those aircraft carriers. Semantics I guess. There is Nimitz class aircraft carriers and there are ships that sometimes have a few mediocre aircraft onboard. That'll change with the F-35.
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Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Found this to be quite interesting if accurate,  according to the numbers the US has 20 aircraft carriers, with an impressive naval force to compliment them, why is it that others major super powers do not?

What good is a military if you can't move it off your continent  and why don't countries such as Russia and China put more emphases in this department? On paper the US would own the seas in the event of a major war.

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True that other navies are not as big as ours but there is a fundamental difference in naval doctrine. The Soviet Union started this trend but many countries still use it. Basically they believe in cruise missiles over aircraft when it comes to naval warfare. If you look at the Russian navy for instance you can see almost all of there ships are equipped with long range ship to ship missiles.  Also of note is the large emphasis on submarines which are also equipped with ship to ship missiles that can be fired with out surfacing. Whether this is a good strategy or not is up to debate but they might think it makes up for the lack of aircraft carriers.

Edit: Also of note almost all of our combat ships have some sort of anti missile defense system. You can thank the Soviet Union for that
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Originally Posted By Headless_Ned:


This.

Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet.
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Originally Posted By Smuckateli:
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This.

Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet.


"One of?"

Our economy is over twice the size of any other single country.
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This.



Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet.
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Yeah, we're basically a trust fund baby with a spending problem right now.  



 
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:42:47 PM EDT
The Chinese are worried about our Navy, they have been developin this.  Old article.  I bet we can counter them.

http://m.usni.org/news-and-features/chinese-kill-weapon

I dont know how many different ASCM China has developed

We have our counter missle in the works already.

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-navys-smart-new-stealth-anti-ship-missile-can-plan-1666079462
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:42:51 PM EDT
Aircraft Carriers (10):
The Enterprise was decommissioned in 2012, leaving us with the 10 Nimitz-class carriers, of which one (the Abraham Lincoln currently) is always undergoing 3-4 year "refueling and complex overhaul". The Gerald R. Ford is scheduled to be commissioned next year.

Amphibious Assault Ships (9):
They just decomissioned the Peleliu last month, the last of the Tarawa-class LHA's. That leaves us with 8 Wasp-class LHD's and the America.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:47:26 PM EDT
Honestly? The US is so far beyond any other country it's rediculious. Only a few decades ago we provided the military defense for half of Europe while still engaging in a few major wars elsewhere.



The US will remain the worlds foremost superpower for quite some time, even on autopilot. Even China will need to do some serious overhaul to enter the same league we were in 50 years ago.
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:
20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types.
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They are ..
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Originally Posted By THR-Thumper:
"One of?"



Our economy is over twice the size of any other single country.

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Originally Posted By Headless_Ned:


Originally Posted By Smuckateli:

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This.



Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet.




"One of?"



Our economy is over twice the size of any other single country.

CA alone would be in the top 5 GDP if it were a country.



 
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:52:07 PM EDT
Other countries don't have huge naval forces because they are smart enough not to be going all over the world getting fights that are not theirs.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:55:08 PM EDT
I would think about the only way a foreign power could stop the Navy would be through use of Nuclear force. But that would lead to full scale nuclear retaliation
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:56:27 PM EDT
Because they have different ambitions, the US keeps the sea lanes pretty safe and they just do not feel the need to bring freedom to muslims worldwide but prefer to focus mostly on defending their own territory instead of invasions on other continents.
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Originally Posted By BillSouthCarolina:
Because they have different ambitions, the US keeps the sea lanes pretty safe and they just do not feel the need to bring freedom to muslims worldwide but prefer to focus mostly on defending their own territory instead of invasions on other continents.
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Ahhh, the Ukrainian strategy
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:07:29 PM EDT
Russia has the following ports listed as container ports, but traffic is very minimal with the ones other than the big ports that appear first on the list.  They have only a handful of active ports that have heavy traffic throughout the year.

North Sea-frozen most of the year, not many trade partners sending freight into the Arctic Ocean
Archangelsk

Gulf of Finland (at mercy of Finland, Sweden, Denmark, etc.)
Sainkt Petersburg

Kaliningrad Exclave between Poland and Lithuania, not bordered with Russia
Baltyisk
Kaliningrad

Black Sea (at mercy of Turkey)
Taganrog
Novorossiysk
Sochi

The following are 9-10 time zones away from Moscow
Sea of Japan (mercy of Japan)
Vladivostok hub:
Posyet
Vladivostok
Nakhodka
Vastochny

Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk Island (former Japanese territory)
Kholmsk
Korsakov

Sea of Okhotsk
Magadan

Kamchatka Peninsula
Petropavlosk-Kamchatsky

Chukotsky Avtonomyy Okrug (Near Alaska)
Anadyr

Sea Ports of Russia
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Ahhh, the Ukrainian strategy
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Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:
Originally Posted By BillSouthCarolina:
Because they have different ambitions, the US keeps the sea lanes pretty safe and they just do not feel the need to bring freedom to muslims worldwide but prefer to focus mostly on defending their own territory instead of invasions on other continents.

Ahhh, the Ukrainian strategy


Invading the neighbors doesn't require all that much, I've advocated adding Canada to our collective for some time
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:19:50 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Rosenrot:
Found this to be quite interesting if accurate,  according to the numbers the US has 20 aircraft carriers, with an impressive naval force to compliment them, why is it that others major super powers do not?

What good is a military if you can't move it off your continent  and why don't countries such as Russia and China put more emphases in this department? On paper the US would own the seas in the event of a major war.

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Helicopter assault ships are not aircraft carriers.
The U.S. has 10 aircraft carriers.
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at mercy of Finland, Sweden, Denmark
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that made me chuckle
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They are ..
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Originally Posted By FlyNavy75:
20 aircraft carriers? That's wrong. It's 10 (or 11, I forget) unless they are counting the flat deck Amphib types.


They are ..



NIMITZ
STENNIS
VINSON
WASHINGTON
LINCOLN
TRUMAN
ROOSEVELT
EISENHOWER
REAGAN
BUSH


And LINCOLN is in refueling for another 2 years or so).
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You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past.
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Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:

You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past.
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Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Helicopter assault ships are not aircraft carriers.

You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past.



How many can they carry?
What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD?
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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:



How many can they carry?
What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD?
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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Helicopter assault ships are not aircraft carriers.

You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past.



How many can they carry?
What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD?

20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers.
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Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:

20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers.
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Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Helicopter assault ships are not aircraft carriers.

You're right, but with F-35B's and "KV-22"s they'll be closer than at any time in the past.



How many can they carry?
What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD?

20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers.


That's more than I thought.  
Is that with no helos?
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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:


That's more than I thought.  
Is that with no helos?
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Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
How many can they carry?
What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD?

20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers.


That's more than I thought.  
Is that with no helos?

Yes, that's a full load of F-35B's and nothing else (maybe a TRAP bird or two). Typical configuration will be more like 6 F-35's. There's an article somewhere, but I can't find it right now.
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Originally Posted By Headless_Ned:


This.

Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet.
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Originally Posted By Smuckateli:
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This.

Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet.


and a 18 Trillion credit card tab buys a lot of shit
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:


and a 18 Trillion credit card tab buys a lot of shit
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
Originally Posted By Headless_Ned:
Originally Posted By Smuckateli:
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This.

Despite the current shitshow we find ourselves in now, we are still one of the richest nations on this planet.


and a 18 Trillion credit card tab buys a lot of shit



The US being the worlds largest creditor, the the linchpin of just about every economy on earth, and having the worlds largest HIGH TECH military, leaves us with a UNLIMITED amount of credit, as no one can face us.  For now.
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China (and India) have more college graduates than we have people.
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China (and India) have more college graduates than we have people.
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Originally Posted By FuriousYachtsman:
Wow, China has over a billion more people than the U.S.


China (and India) have more college graduates than we have people.


No shortage of targets then.
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Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:

Yes, that's a full load of F-35B's and nothing else (maybe a TRAP bird or two). Typical configuration will be more like 6 F-35's. There's an article somewhere, but I can't find it right now.
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Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
Originally Posted By Not_Yet_Begun2Fight:
Originally Posted By Desert_AIP:
How many can they carry?
What does an Alpha Strike look like from an LHD?

20 F-35Bs I think. That's got to be pretty comparable to what China, Russia, France, Italy, India, etc could launch from their aircraft carriers.


That's more than I thought.  
Is that with no helos?

Yes, that's a full load of F-35B's and nothing else (maybe a TRAP bird or two). Typical configuration will be more like 6 F-35's. There's an article somewhere, but I can't find it right now.



That's more along the lines of what I was thinking.
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