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Posted: 1/28/2006 7:01:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 7:04:22 PM EDT by Schwoogie]
I found that my local fun store is selling the "LAPD SWAT" model Kimber 1911s with night sights for $725.

I've never owned a 1911 before so this would be a first. I've heard a lot of stories both ways, either they suck or they are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

SO how is the Kimber LAPD SWAT model 1911? Reliable and accurate?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:03:25 PM EDT
Like most 1911's you'll probably (but not all the time) hae to make a trip or 2 to the gun smith with it to make it work right. I've owned 2 Kimbers and neither of them were reliable.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:07:13 PM EDT
Do it
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:10:39 PM EDT
I know nothing about the particular Kimber you are talking about, but I do own a SA 1911A1. My advice is to get one if you think want one and can afford it. I say this not on the basis of any droll argument about stopping power, self-defense, etc. My argument is simply that they are great fun to shoot, period. If you cannot have fun shooting a 1911, then IMO, you pretty much are incapable of having fun. While I enjoy shooting many different models of guns, my 1911 has and always will be one of my favorites to shoot...
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:14:06 PM EDT
1911? Meh. Get a CPO Sig 220, and spend the savings on ammo and magazines.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:15:27 PM EDT
Do it and prove all the "it won't be as reliable as a Glock out of the box" guys wrong.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:17:17 PM EDT
1911 ofcourse, everything else is Inferior.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:22:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
1911? Meh. Get a CPO Sig 220, and spend the savings on ammo and magazines.

I already have a new 220.

Wow, you guys are going both ways just like the other stuff I heard.

Is the Kimber SWAT model a good one? Can you all agree or disagree? I like the style and color of that model, and the price is certainly right.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:24:42 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:26:39 PM EDT
Love my Kimber!! Never had a problem of any kind! Do it!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:26:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By macman37:
Do it and prove all the "it won't be as reliable as a Glock out of the box" guys wrong.

Of course there are a lot of us that have owned both Glocks and 1911's and know for a FACT that it's true.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:29:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SGB:
If it has an external extractor pass on it.

Internal extractor snatch that bad boy up.

The exact model is a TLE II and it does have an internal extractor AFAIK.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:38:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By macman37:
Do it and prove all the "it won't be as reliable as a Glock out of the box" guys wrong.

Of course there are a lot of us that have owned both Glocks and 1911's and know for a FACT that it's true.




There are those of us who have owned both and the glock had a catastrophic failure whereas the 1911 keeps trucking along.


Also as the owner of a new P220 let alone a CPO I can tell you the sig will never be as good a shooter as a good 1911.

Yes I do drink the koolaid, I own "modern" semi auto pistols as well and they just dont measure up to even my cheapo springer GI.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:40:37 PM EDT
In a word, YES!!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:42:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
In a word, YES!!

Do any of you guys own the particular model I am looking at?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:42:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
Like most 1911's you'll probably (but not all the time) hae to make a trip or 2 to the gun smith with it to make it work right. I've owned 2 Kimbers and neither of them were reliable.




Of the 4 I have owned, I have yet to obtain an unreliable one.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:43:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
Also as the owner of a new P220 let alone a CPO I can tell you the sig will never be as good a shooter as a good 1911.



And therein lies the trick: Finding a good 1911.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:43:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
In a word, YES!!




no household is complete without at least 1 1911 or 1911a1,

you will either love it or hate it,, (I have 4)

Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:45:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Schwoogie:
1911? Should I do it??




DUH!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:47:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
Love my Kimber!! Never had a problem of any kind! Do it!





Same here, four years and no problems at all.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:49:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 7:49:08 AM EDT by lincolndz]

Originally Posted By Schwoogie:

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
In a word, YES!!

Do any of you guys own the particular model I am looking at?



I use a TLE RL II for a carry/IDPA gun; I've had zero problems with it.

I love Kimbers, and as you may already know, there was some talk about problems with the external extractor. However, Kimber has decided to go back to the internal extractor, so all the new production models are being shipped so equipped.

$725 is a very good price for that pistol - do it.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:52:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lincolndz:

Originally Posted By Schwoogie:

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
In a word, YES!!

Do any of you guys own the particular model I am looking at?



I'm a Kimber dealer, and I use a TLE RL II for a carry/IDPA gun; I've had zero problems with it.

I've sold two of the TLE II model to the same guy in the last year. He bought one for himself and then came back and got another one for his dad.

I love Kimbers, and as you may already know, there was some talk about problems with the external extractor. However, Kimber has decided to go back to the internal extractor, so all the new production models are being shipped so equipped.

$725 is a very good price for that pistol - do it.

Great news?

What does the "RL" mean?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:53:55 PM EDT
BUY IT ALREADY!


I own 3 Kimbers, haven't had a problem with any of them yet.
I had a TLE/RL Pro (4"model) with an external and didn't have any problems with it either.
BUT once you buy it, you will succumb to the 1911 disease.
1911's are like Doritos, you can't have just one.
Oh, and don't forget to post pics!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:57:37 PM EDT
Personally, I think everyone should own a 1911. I love all of my 1911's, and even though I have a lot of different handguns, the only one I shoot regularly are the 1911's. So based on that alone, I'd say "buy it"

That said, I don't know much about the Kimbers and the high-priced 1911's, but you do occasionally hear that some of the fancy expensive ones do require a bit more fine-tuning to get just right.


I have heard that the regular Colt 1991A1 is really good quality these days, so if I was looking to buy a NEW 1911-type gun, that's what I woudl get.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:00:48 PM EDT
I have a TLE and after the 250 round break in, it has been 100% with Wilson Mags.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:01:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
I have a TLE and after the 250 round break in, it has been 100% with Wilson Mags.

How about the mags that came with it?

Also, how about those USGI mags you find all over the place? I'm a total newb to this stuff.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:04:04 PM EDT
What Maxx said. I have a TLE II, external extractor and all. A few hundred break in, the thing has been reliable over a few K worth of rounds.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:05:09 PM EDT
I've had 13 or 14 from cheap variants to match grades...they are fun, something to tinker with...the problem I found with 1911's is, even if you spend $2000. for a match grade ther is always something more you have to do to it...plus they can be finicky with magazines...I usually wound up buying 15 mags before I found 7-8 that worked well...I had an STI once that wouldn't even take Chip McCormick mags...
I like a gun that I don't have to "do something" to for it to work reliably..yet, I will probably buy another when I run into one I haven't had...similar to old shoes...even if they have problems, they seem to fit pretty well...l
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:05:22 PM EDT
Do it.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:07:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Schwoogie:

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
I have a TLE and after the 250 round break in, it has been 100% with Wilson Mags.

How about the mags that came with it?

Also, how about those USGI mags you find all over the place? I'm a total newb to this stuff.



I use Wilson 47D's.
I think Chip McCormick makes the mags for Kimber.
They work for some, but I haven't had good luck with them, so I use the Wilsons.
YMMV
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:13:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 8:14:57 PM EDT by Ralph]
As far as USGI mags go.. I have 2 of 'em they work in my Kimber and in my S.A. Milspec, I've never had a jam using them. I don't know how many rounds I used in these mags but it's a bunch, mine were bought NIW at a local gunshow about 4 years ago. I wish I'd bought more, YMMV
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:22:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 8:24:34 PM EDT by Mr45auto]

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
Also as the owner of a new P220 let alone a CPO I can tell you the sig will never be as good a shooter as a good 1911.



And therein lies the trick: Finding a good 1911.



Both of my springfields have been good right out of the box ( the GI has remained stock and over 2500 rounds from new with ZERO malfs of any sort)

My Colt Commander on the other hand took alot of break in to run well but it's stainless and more issues seem to occur with stainless guns not to mention Colt's QC during the production of the "enhanced" models. ( still working to remove all the "enhancements" on that one)


And Dusty, Glocks dont last more than 52 rounds from the box before Kbooming. I know this for a FACT because my G22 did it. ( factory win silvertips, new in box gun)

Yes the statement is ridiculous, but so is yours regarding your "fact"
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 9:17:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By macman37:
Do it and prove all the "it won't be as reliable as a Glock out of the box" guys wrong.

Of course there are a lot of us that have owned both Glocks and 1911's and know for a FACT that it's true.



Of course, there's guys like me who has two Glocks that can't go a range visit without some type of malfunction and whose 1911 has been literally 100% reliable out of the box.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 9:18:14 PM EDT


Do it.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 9:19:13 PM EDT
Fuck kind of question is "should I buy a 1911?" It shouldve been the first gun you ever bought, and the one you wear on your side sleeping and taking a shower. You my friend, deserve a hadji slap!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 10:20:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Schwoogie:

Originally Posted By Maxxx:
I have a TLE and after the 250 round break in, it has been 100% with Wilson Mags.

How about the mags that came with it?

Also, how about those USGI mags you find all over the place? I'm a total newb to this stuff.



The mag that came with it was a POS. The feed lips were bent almost to the end of the top. I could barly get the rounds into or out of the mag so the fact the the pistol only had 1 FTF malfuntion in every 50 rounds was pretty good. Wilson mags IMHO are the best mags for 1911's and I will never buy or use anything else.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 11:29:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Fuck kind of question is "should I buy a 1911?" It shouldve been the first gun you ever bought, and the one you wear on your side sleeping and taking a shower. You my friend, deserve a hadji slap!



+1

Is there another type of handgun?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 11:34:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By macman37:
Do it and prove all the "it won't be as reliable as a Glock out of the box" guys wrong.

Of course there are a lot of us that have owned both Glocks and 1911's and know for a FACT that it's true.



Of course, there's guys like me who has two Glocks that can't go a range visit without some type of malfunction and whose 1911 has been literally 100% reliable out of the box.



+1, I can stovepipe the shit out of my daddys 92' built G17 using wallyworld WWB in any weight. Been doing it since 92'...
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 3:53:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By nf9648:
Fuck kind of question is "should I buy a 1911?" It shouldve been the first gun you ever bought, and the one you wear on your side sleeping and taking a shower. You my friend, deserve a hadji slap!
img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/nf9648/hadji_slap.jpg

Not enough round capacity, my HK USP .45 will be my go-to gun. As for being on my side, I can't carry in this state

The 1911 would just be a fun gun.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:28:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 7:47:52 AM EDT by lincolndz]

Originally Posted By Schwoogie:

Originally Posted By lincolndz:

Originally Posted By Schwoogie:

Originally Posted By GUNGUY1911:
In a word, YES!!

Do any of you guys own the particular model I am looking at?



I use a TLE RL II for a carry/IDPA gun; I've had zero problems with it.

I love Kimbers, and as you may already know, there was some talk about problems with the external extractor. However, Kimber has decided to go back to the internal extractor, so all the new production models are being shipped so equipped.

$725 is a very good price for that pistol - do it.

Great news?

What does the "RL" mean?



"RL" means that pistol has a rail on the bottom of the dust cover. Like this:



Here's the standard TLE II:

Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:38:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 6:41:11 AM EDT by M4arc]
Nevermind. I didn't realize this was in the GD forum.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 8:08:36 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 8:11:37 AM EDT by Mr45auto]

Originally Posted By Schwoogie:
Not enough round capacity, my HK USP .45 will be my go-to gun. As for being on my side, I can't carry in this state

The 1911 would just be a fun gun.




That would change about 5 minutes after you shoot it. The HK will be for sale and you'll be looking for another 1911.

I used to carry DA autos and thought the 1911 was obsolete, then I bought one and only carry something else when I have to. It may not be the pistol for everyone but for some it's an epiphany.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 8:24:13 AM EDT
Buy the gun. If it's still in the shop, that's a pretty good price.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 8:39:04 AM EDT
My Springfield is dead accurate and reliable. I have never taken to a smith at all. What I have is straight from SA. I love 1911s.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 9:49:08 AM EDT
My kimber series I has been 100%.

I use wilson and cmc power mags. Never even tried the mag that came with it.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 2:56:54 PM EDT
I've been trough at least 8 1911s and they all ran great. The most unreliable gun I ever owned with a Glock.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 3:11:33 PM EDT
My father has had his Colt Mark IV Series 70 Gold Cup for 30 years. I have had my SA 9132L 1911A1 for about a year. Neither have had any problems what-so-ever. As for automatics, 1911's are all I will buy from now on. As to the TLEII (Tactical Law Enforcement) by Kimber, I don't know the reliability of that particular handgun. But have heard some good things about it. The feds use SA and that is my 1911 of choice. Better price and better selection than Kimber. Quality and reliability are top notch.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 3:20:44 PM EDT
Yes!
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 3:23:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 3:24:58 PM EDT by pv74]
Buy it..

You wont regret it.

$725 seems like a good price..

I own a Kimber, I have had zero issues with it..

Link Posted: 1/29/2006 3:53:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By macman37:
Do it and prove all the "it won't be as reliable as a Glock out of the box" guys wrong.

Of course there are a lot of us that have owned both Glocks and 1911's and know for a FACT that it's true.



I've owned both and would take my 1911 over a glock ANY day, but then reliability and accuracy are important to me
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 4:16:25 PM EDT
There's something you need to know about 1911's.

THEY ARE THE GREATEST!

And once you are used to a 1911, nothing else will ever be good enough for you ever again!

My one piece of advice: stick with a full-size 5" pistol (Like the TLE). Smaller 1911's tend to have reliability issues, which people advertise on the internet and then everyone says stupid things like, "1911's are unreliable."

I have a full-size Kimber Custom II (identical to the TLE, but no frontstrap checkering) and it runs like a champ. I think the best Kimbers are the Customs, TLE's and Warriors. I have yet to hear a complaint about any of them. The Eclipses, Pros, and other "specialty" 1911's seem to have some bugs in 'em.

So my final vote: Buy that bad boy yesterday!
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