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Posted: 7/21/2010 4:40:32 PM EDT

In the tired old debate I was wondering. If everyone that uses Glocks and downs the 1911 also choose the AK over the AR platform. I see all the arguments for the Glocks pros versus the 1911s cons to be the same old crap I get from AK guys when they tell me I shouldnt use an AR.

Sorry, I just got done reading another thread in the Tech section and the 1911 got drug into a totally unrelated thread. I put this here because well, it will probably turn to shit.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:41:14 PM EDT

[#1]

COEXIST

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:41:34 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
I put this here because well, it will probably turn to shit.

I see you've met us before.

ETA: The Glock grip angle sucks hairy balls.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:46:59 PM EDT

[#3]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I put this here because well, it will probably turn to shit.

I see you've met us before.

ETA: The Glock grip angle sucks hairy balls.

Only if your a girly man.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:47:28 PM EDT

[#4]

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:48:12 PM EDT

[#5]

Quoted:
COEXIST

I see what you did there

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:48:54 PM EDT

[#6]

What combat has Glock seen?

cuz...1911's triumphed for a century and killed all kinds of squaters.

Supported or non supported chambers? Hmmmmm.

I own Glocks. I own 1911's. the 1911 is a better fighting pistol in every way possible.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:49:36 PM EDT

[#7]

Shoot what you like. End of thread.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:49:50 PM EDT

[#8]

In my case my Ar's, Ak's and glocks all run fine without any issues.
My two 1911's were not 100%.

I still think the 1911 is the best shooting handgun made though and I will someday revisit them.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:51:19 PM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

In the tired old debate I was wondering. If everyone that uses Glocks and downs the 1911 also choose the AK over the AR platform. I see all the arguments for the Glocks pros versus the 1911s cons to be the same old crap I get from AK guys when they tell me I shouldnt use an AR.

Sorry, I just got done reading another thread in the Tech section and the 1911 got drug into a totally unrelated thread. I put this here because well, it will probably turn to shit.

The Glock fan's HATE this thread:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=1033106

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:51:38 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I put this here because well, it will probably turn to shit.

I see you've met us before.

ETA: The Glock grip angle sucks hairy balls.

Only if your a girly man.

I've been known to admit to being a lesbian trapped inside of a man's body.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:52:24 PM EDT

[#11]

get both.

That said, they're not really comparable, and not only because they're different kinds of guns.

Glocks don't have any of the glaring weaknesses of the AK platform (inaccuracy, less-than-great ergonomics).

If you could make an AK just about as accurate as an AR-15, give it AR-15esque ergos, and still sell it for less money, then you'd have a better comparison. And there'd probably be a ton more people running AKs on here.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:52:58 PM EDT

[#12]

1911 fucks a Glock and in turn it produces the best gun ever....the HK45

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:53:07 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:
What combat has Glock seen?

cuz...1911's triumphed for a century and killed all kinds of squaters.

Supported or non supported chambers? Hmmmmm.

I own Glocks. I own 1911's. the 1911 is a better fighting pistol in every way possible.

Glocks have done well in theater with many PDS guys, among others. I can't help it if we insist on buying that crutch of a POS Beretta instead, as I don't hold the purse strings.

Chambers? Pretty much a non-issue.

1911 is better for fighting in every possible way? Carried a 1911 in combat much?

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:54:37 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
What combat has Glock seen?

cuz...1911's triumphed for a century and killed all kinds of squaters.

Supported or non supported chambers? Hmmmmm.

I own Glocks. I own 1911's. the 1911 is a better fighting pistol in every way possible.

Glocks are seeing plenty of combat these days.

Except capacity....... I have never seen a torture test performed on a 1911 the way MODERN firearms are tested. (not to say it has not been done, just never seen it. and dont give me its been in X many wars thats not the same)

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:55:37 PM EDT

[#15]

Quoted:

Shoot what you like. End of thread.

True, but life doesnt seem to work this way.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:57:20 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:

Glocks don't have any of the glaring weaknesses of the AK platform (inaccuracy, less-than-great ergonomics).

Compared to a decent 1911 they have those weaknesses.

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:58:28 PM EDT

[#17]

USP

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:58:50 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Shoot what you like. End of thread.

You and all of your damn logic!

Posted: 7/21/2010 4:59:30 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
In the tired old debate I was wondering. If everyone that uses Glocks and downs the 1911 also choose the AK over the AR platform. I see all the arguments for the Glocks pros versus the 1911s cons to be the same old crap I get from AK guys when they tell me I shouldnt use an AR.

Sorry, I just got done reading another thread in the Tech section and the 1911 got drug into a totally unrelated thread. I put this here because well, it will probably turn to shit.

I actually like both the AK and the AR, and the 1911 and Glock. When my life depends on it, I reach for the AR and Glock.
My father, is a 1911/AK guy. If that helps...

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:00:08 PM EDT

[#20]

1911 vs Glock?...

What a great concept for a thread!

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:00:28 PM EDT

[#21]

Get both, that way you will have a combat proven pistol, and a hand grenade!

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:02:10 PM EDT

[#22]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Glocks don't have any of the glaring weaknesses of the AK platform (inaccuracy, less-than-great ergonomics).

Compared to a decent 1911 they have those weaknesses.

If you want to split hairs.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:02:11 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:

1911 vs Glock?...

What a great concept for a thread!

But I snuck the AK vs AR right in the middle of it. Not many pulled that one off.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:03:30 PM EDT

[#24]

Quoted:

Quoted:
1911 vs Glock?...

What a great concept for a thread!

But I snuck the AK vs AR right in the middle of it. Not many pulled that one off.

.45 ACP Glock or 9mm 1911?

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:04:04 PM EDT

[#25]

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What combat has Glock seen?
.

Go ask your local police department

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:04:46 PM EDT

[#26]

I own a Glock 30, a Colt combat elite 1911, several ARs and a WASR AK.

I love them all.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:05:33 PM EDT

[#27]

My carry guns alternate between a Les Baer TRS and a Glock 19.

Why the drama?

My guess? People with weak identity issues identify way too strongly with their choice of weapon.

Someone choosing something else? It's a personal attack to them.

Weaksauce.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:11:57 PM EDT

[#28]

Quoted:
What combat has Glock seen?

cuz...1911's triumphed for a century and killed all kinds of squaters.

Supported or non supported chambers? Hmmmmm.

I own Glocks. I own 1911's. the 1911 is a better fighting pistol in every way possible.

I would suggest you take a real pistol class. I have been through 11 pistol classes and instructed 20 more. All of these classes were at least 350 rounds per day and most classes were more. The 1911 isn't not in the same league as a Glock in terms of reliability, period. Out of all those classes I would say there is an average of 15 shooters and 2 or 3 1911's per class. I have seen 1 1911 make it through a class without any problems. It was a Wilson Combat and it ran for 4 days and 2000 rounds flawlessly. Other than that every 1911 in class had at least minor problems and several took a major shit and didn't make it through class.

On the other hand each class had 6-8 Glocks and 4 have had problems. 2 were due to aftermarket mag extensions, one had not been cleaned in over 4000 rounds, and one had an after market recoil spring that broke. All problems were easily fixed and all pistols were running at the end of class. The 1911 does a lot of things well but to say it is better than a Glock in every way in asinine. It doesn't do the most important thing (be reliable) anywhere close to a Glock. To quote James Yeager "finding a 1911 that works is as rare as finding a Glock that doesn't".

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:12:52 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:

Quoted:
1911 vs Glock?...

What a great concept for a thread!

But I snuck the AK vs AR right in the middle of it. Not many pulled that one off.

.45 ACP Glock or 9mm 1911?

I think you just blew my mind.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:12:59 PM EDT

[#30]

My 1911 runs dirty as hell. Haven't cleaned it in a few thousand rounds. Just oil it up, and it shoots nice tight groups.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:18:08 PM EDT

[#31]

I own a G19 and two 1911's. One of the 1911's is a Kimber Custom Classic from the late '90's and the other is an uber-tight Les Baer. None of them have ever had a failure, and I would have expected a few failures on the Les Baer given it's ridiculous tolerances, but it hasn't. It is nothing but an ultra smooth running machine now.

I see the G19 as a daily commuter that you drive to work, and 1911's as the Porsche you take out on weekends for fun. As I said, I have never had a failure on any of them, but the simplicity of the Glock's design makes me trust it more for reliability.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:20:18 PM EDT

[#32]

I've said it once so I'll say it again...

There's a reason a Glock's grips are shaped like tree branches.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:22:03 PM EDT

[#33]

I don't down any gun. I don't own a ton of guns, but I can tell you withing a few hundred rounds whether I would own a gun or not. I don't care if it was hand crafted by Moses after he parted the sea, if it doesn't fit, or I don't like how it operates, its of no use to me. I've got a Glock 21 and love it, I love the balance a 1911 has. However, I'm more proficient with the glock. Basically it got nailed when someone said, people tie themselves too closely to the brand, or style. Sort of like Diehard Ford and Chevy guys.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:26:16 PM EDT

[#34]

Quoted:
I see the G19 as a daily commuter that you drive to work, and 1911's as the Porsche you take out on weekends for fun. As I said, I have never had a failure on any of them,

Just curious, what have you done with them? Ever taken any classes with them? If so which ones?

Thanks

For the record I own both G19's and a 1911 as well....

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:31:22 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Basically it got nailed when someone said, people tie themselves too closely to the brand, or style. Sort of like Diehard Ford and Chevy guys.

Glock guys are the biggest peckerheads when youre at the public range though.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:35:39 PM EDT

[#36]

lol...at the Glock fan boys once again.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:39:08 PM EDT

[#37]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Basically it got nailed when someone said, people tie themselves too closely to the brand, or style. Sort of like Diehard Ford and Chevy guys.

Glock guys are the biggest peckerheads when youre at the public range though.

Do they tend to point and laugh at 1911 FTE & FTF issues?

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:45:53 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Basically it got nailed when someone said, people tie themselves too closely to the brand, or style. Sort of like Diehard Ford and Chevy guys.

Glock guys are the biggest peckerheads when youre at the public range though.

Do they tend to point and laugh at 1911 FTE & FTF issues?

Usually they look at my targets compared to theirs and you can see their insecurity creep into their eyes and start coming out their mouth.

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:54:02 PM EDT

[#39]

Take a Glock and a 1911 and throw both of them as hard as you can down the street, and run down and pick up each gun and fire it. The gun that fires will win

Posted: 7/21/2010 5:57:21 PM EDT

[#40]

I like glocks... and I like AR15s.

Posted: 7/21/2010 6:06:48 PM EDT

[#41]

Quoted:
I like glocks... and I like AR15s.

Colt AR15s?

I like many flavors of kool aid....

Posted: 7/21/2010 6:08:17 PM EDT

[#42]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What combat has Glock seen?

cuz...1911's triumphed for a century and killed all kinds of squaters.

Supported or non supported chambers? Hmmmmm.

I own Glocks. I own 1911's. the 1911 is a better fighting pistol in every way possible.

I would suggest you take a real pistol class. I have been through 11 pistol classes and instructed 20 more. All of these classes were at least 350 rounds per day and most classes were more. The 1911 isn't not in the same league as a Glock in terms of reliability, period. Out of all those classes I would say there is an average of 15 shooters and 2 or 3 1911's per class. I have seen 1 1911 make it through a class without any problems. It was a Wilson Combat and it ran for 4 days and 2000 rounds flawlessly. Other than that every 1911 in class had at least minor problems and several took a major shit and didn't make it through class.

On the other hand each class had 6-8 Glocks and 4 have had problems. 2 were due to aftermarket mag extensions, one had not been cleaned in over 4000 rounds, and one had an after market recoil spring that broke. All problems were easily fixed and all pistols were running at the end of class. The 1911 does a lot of things well but to say it is better than a Glock in every way in asinine. It doesn't do the most important thing (be reliable) anywhere close to a Glock. To quote James Yeager "finding a 1911 that works is as rare as finding a Glock that doesn't".

Your post is complete fucking bullshit.

Posted: 7/21/2010 6:13:49 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What combat has Glock seen?

cuz...1911's triumphed for a century and killed all kinds of squaters.

Supported or non supported chambers? Hmmmmm.

I own Glocks. I own 1911's. the 1911 is a better fighting pistol in every way possible.

I would suggest you take a real pistol class. I have been through 11 pistol classes and instructed 20 more. All of these classes were at least 350 rounds per day and most classes were more. The 1911 isn't not in the same league as a Glock in terms of reliability, period. Out of all those classes I would say there is an average of 15 shooters and 2 or 3 1911's per class. I have seen 1 1911 make it through a class without any problems. It was a Wilson Combat and it ran for 4 days and 2000 rounds flawlessly. Other than that every 1911 in class had at least minor problems and several took a major shit and didn't make it through class.

On the other hand each class had 6-8 Glocks and 4 have had problems. 2 were due to aftermarket mag extensions, one had not been cleaned in over 4000 rounds, and one had an after market recoil spring that broke. All problems were easily fixed and all pistols were running at the end of class. The 1911 does a lot of things well but to say it is better than a Glock in every way in asinine. It doesn't do the most important thing (be reliable) anywhere close to a Glock. To quote James Yeager "finding a 1911 that works is as rare as finding a Glock that doesn't".

Your post is complete fucking bullshit.

So you make a dumb ass statement and I tell what I have witnessed with my own 2 eyes and my post is bullshit. <edit mcculver5>

Posted: 7/21/2010 6:16:55 PM EDT

[#44]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What combat has Glock seen?

cuz...1911's triumphed for a century and killed all kinds of squaters.

Supported or non supported chambers? Hmmmmm.

I own Glocks. I own 1911's. the 1911 is a better fighting pistol in every way possible.

I would suggest you take a real pistol class. I have been through 11 pistol classes and instructed 20 more. All of these classes were at least 350 rounds per day and most classes were more. The 1911 isn't not in the same league as a Glock in terms of reliability, period. Out of all those classes I would say there is an average of 15 shooters and 2 or 3 1911's per class. I have seen 1 1911 make it through a class without any problems. It was a Wilson Combat and it ran for 4 days and 2000 rounds flawlessly. Other than that every 1911 in class had at least minor problems and several took a major shit and didn't make it through class.

On the other hand each class had 6-8 Glocks and 4 have had problems. 2 were due to aftermarket mag extensions, one had not been cleaned in over 4000 rounds, and one had an after market recoil spring that broke. All problems were easily fixed and all pistols were running at the end of class. The 1911 does a lot of things well but to say it is better than a Glock in every way in asinine. It doesn't do the most important thing (be reliable) anywhere close to a Glock. To quote James Yeager "finding a 1911 that works is as rare as finding a Glock that doesn't".

Your post is complete fucking bullshit.

I find his post to be more correct than yours in my own experiences

If im goofing around watching grand torino and want to shoot my steel plate at 100 yards with a pistol, ill get my 1911 out of the safe

if the world is coming to an end and there are riots in the streets and i need something the i feel is gonna go bang when i yank (its a glock remember

) my trigger, im getting my glock out of the safe

the gunny on glocks
The gunny's thoughts on glocks and 1911

Posted: 7/21/2010 6:19:02 PM EDT

[#45]

I like my glocks, 1911's and AR's. Not a big AK fan though....

Posted: 7/21/2010 6:19:13 PM EDT

[#46]

Posted: 7/21/2010 6:22:24 PM EDT

[#47]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What combat has Glock seen?

cuz...1911's triumphed for a century and killed all kinds of squaters.

Supported or non supported chambers? Hmmmmm.

I own Glocks. I own 1911's. the 1911 is a better fighting pistol in every way possible.

I would suggest you take a real pistol class. I have been through 11 pistol classes and instructed 20 more. All of these classes were at least 350 rounds per day and most classes were more. The 1911 isn't not in the same league as a Glock in terms of reliability, period. Out of all those classes I would say there is an average of 15 shooters and 2 or 3 1911's per class. I have seen 1 1911 make it through a class without any problems. It was a Wilson Combat and it ran for 4 days and 2000 rounds flawlessly. Other than that every 1911 in class had at least minor problems and several took a major shit and didn't make it through class.

On the other hand each class had 6-8 Glocks and 4 have had problems. 2 were due to aftermarket mag extensions, one had not been cleaned in over 4000 rounds, and one had an after market recoil spring that broke. All problems were easily fixed and all pistols were running at the end of class. The 1911 does a lot of things well but to say it is better than a Glock in every way in asinine. It doesn't do the most important thing (be reliable) anywhere close to a Glock. To quote James Yeager "finding a 1911 that works is as rare as finding a Glock that doesn't".

Your post is complete fucking bullshit.

Actually, it mirrors my own experience.

Posted: 7/21/2010 6:22:25 PM EDT

[#48]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I put this here because well, it will probably turn to shit.

I see you've met us before.

ETA: The Glock grip angle sucks hairy balls.

Only if your a girly man.

I've been known to admit to being a lesbian trapped inside of a man's body.

So you've tried cock and didn't like it?

Posted: 7/21/2010 6:22:36 PM EDT

[#49]

Quoted:
In the tired old debate I was wondering. If everyone that uses Glocks and downs the 1911 also choose the AK over the AR platform. I see all the arguments for the Glocks pros versus the 1911s cons to be the same old crap I get from AK guys when they tell me I shouldnt use an AR.

Sorry, I just got done reading another thread in the Tech section and the 1911 got drug into a totally unrelated thread. I put this here because well, it will probably turn to shit.

LOL!

I've often said the same thing...

I'm a G19/17 dude, and prefer the AK and my new SCAR over the AR15 system. I run the Glock for the same reasons I run an AK. They are less fickle, require less tinkering and go BANG every single time.

BTW, I own lot's of ARs and my BCM middy has become my favorite.